Have you guys heard of the Virginia Military Institute? It is also known as the West Point of the South. The only difference is that it is not technically a pure military academy. It has a lot of ROTC programs and commission is optional after graduation (that means, you don't have to serve in the military after graduation) just like the Japanese Defense Academy. VMI's notable students are Goerge C. Marshall (US Army Chief-of-Staff during WWII) and George S. Patton Jr. (Commander of the US 3rd and 7th Army during WWII).

Maybe we should have a second PMA. But what should we name it? And where should we establish it? :aberet:

There were proposals for a separate Air Force, Naval and Coast Guard academies. Don't know what happened maybe died of a natural death.

Think about it. Air Force grads with no planes to fly, Naval Officers crowding a small LSTs, etc, etc... budget to fund such academies, scholarships...coup, coup, coup... :scared:

What I mean is we can create a whole new military through this new institution. The PMA's tradition is corruption and insurrection. Officers who got their commission from ROTC are a lot less volatile. Look at Lt. Gen. Boysie Braganza? He's from the UST ROTC. Like I said, those who attend are not required to serve in the military.

:snipemo: :snipemo: :snipemo: :snipemo:

Semper Fidelis et Paratus

Then you might be thinking of private schools like FEMA. A school to train boys how to behave applying military style of discipline with options like any university graduates to join the military. If its private, no problem but if it's a government agency that's another thing..

What I'm saying is it works in the US, and maybe it can here. After all, that institution can be private but under sponsorship of the government. It will be a new experience. We can create better traditions than those of PMA.

:snipemo: :snipemo: :snipemo: :snipemo:

Semper Fidelis et Paratus

George S. Patton Jr. was a graduate of USMA. He attended the Virginia Military Institute for one year and went on to graduate from the United States Military Academy at West Point on June 11, 1909.


he was turned back because of Math and he graduated as an Adjutant.

I did say that he was a student od VMI. I didn't say that he was a graduate of VMI. And I know he graduated from USMA in 1909 after 5 years of studying (he was forced to repeat his first year because of bad grades).

:snipemo: :snipemo: :snipemo: :snipemo:

Semper Fidelis et Paratus

:agree:

there are only 2 cadet corps in the world who fought in a war as a single unit while still studying as cadets...

the cadet corps of VMI who fought in the American Civil War.. .
and the CCAP ( Cadet Corps Army of the Philippines) of PMA who fought as a unit during World War II before the deactivation of the prewar PMA..

You forgot to mention the Corps of Cadets of The Military College of South Carolina, better known as Citadel, so there are not only 2 cadet corps that fought as a single unit in the world. The Corps of Cadets of the Citadel participated in 8 engagements against the Union Army.

Also, the Citadel graduates were among the first contingents of American troops to fight with the English and the French divisions during World War I.


If I am not mistaken, the VMI and Citadel are not under the Federal Government, they are under the state government of Virginia and South Carolina. And mostly the funding of these schools are from the states. Or probably both are from the state government and federal government. (parang 70% state, 30% federal, this is not the exact estimate. opinion lang)

If the Philippines are to build military institute or college, would there be a province or a region that is willing to allocate funding to this school? Even if the funding is 50% from the provincial or regional government, and 50% from the national government, it's unlikely going to happen.

There is some debate that the Corps of Cadets Army of the Philippines did not go to war as a unit. Following the outbreak of the war, members of the Classes of '42 and '43 were graduated, commissioned as third lieutenants in ceremonies at the University of Sto Tomas and sent off to units in Bataan. The Classes of '44 and '45 (yearlings and plebes) were officially disbanded and sent home. Although members of those classes went to war individually, some with regular army units, others with guerilla units, the Corps of Cadets Army of the Philippines did not go to war as a unit.

However, the PAAC's Flying School aviation cadets were not disbanded. They were inducted as a unit into the USAFFE and went to war as infantrymen. Rightfully, the corps of aviation cadets claims credit for having gone to war as a cadet unit composed of PAAC Flying School Classes 42A, B and C.

Let me find the article on this so I can scan and post it.

The best known Filipino graduate of the Virginia Military Institute is former anti-Marcos activist, industrialist and head of the Lopez Group of Companies, Eugenio "Geny" Lopez Jr. Mr. Lopez was a 1950 graduate of VMI.

What is his military profile?

If you call bombings and financing the light a fire movement against a dictatorship a military profile then there you go.

Once there was. Ever heard of BMI a shadow image of PMA. Baquio Military Institute. Disbanded after a concerted action by its cadet corps in 1960's? - not sure of the date though. We use to hold our FTX in its premises in 1977 after our force march from loakan.

Where do you suggest the academy be established? I'm a great believer in decentralization, so such an academy ought to be established in either the Visayas or Mindanao.

However, such an institution will face the same problems that ROTC-improvement programs like Rainbow Rangers had -- government fear of training the enemy. When the government doesn't trust the people it governs, it'll want to keep a tight reign on access to martial knowledge.

Undoubtedly funding for a private institution would come from people and clans with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. As a result, that institution will likely be very very politicized.

BTW, while we're talking about private military institutions. Gen H Norman Schwarzkopff went to Valley Forge Military Academy (VFMA) before he joined West Point. He noted in his autobiography that in his opinion VFMA did not implement the Honor Code properly and had a number of flaws. Even if a rival academy were established, there is still a strong possibility that it will be as flawed as the academy it is supposed to rival -- if not worse

the Cadet Corps Army of the Philippines '41 not yet baptized by fire engaged the enemy in the Battle of Balara... this happened when the entire PMA was brought down from Baguio... they temporary camp at balara before deactivated in UST... they fought as cadets of the CCAP and not yet officers and graduates ...
a presidential citation was awarded to the PMA cadets for this minor battle.

VMI cadets participated in the the Battle of New Market in May 15, 1864. This battle is remembered more for the participation of the VMI cadets than for its strategical military value.


On January 28, 1861, the South Carolina Military Academy Corps of Cadets were made part of the military organization of the state and were known as The Battalion of State Cadets. The Arsenal and The Citadel continued to operate as military academies, however, classes were often disrupted when the governor called the cadets into military service. Mounting and manning heavy guns, guard duty and escorting prisoners were among the services performed by the cadets..
technically they're not in combat duties...

Very interesting, but the story gets better.

Like the aerial attack on Balara, The PAAC Flying School at Zablan Field, then with three flying cadet classes '42A. 42B and 42C was likewise attacked by Japanese bombers and fighters on December 10, 1941. Also their baptism of fire.

Given those accounts, I take the position that the Philippines had two cadet units that went to war as cadets.

I was thinking establishing it in Bohol. Its terrain is ideal for counter-insurgency training and jungle warfare training. :snipemo:

We should also bring back the ROTC in full. Everyone should understand what it means to be a citizen, and ROTC will teach us. :army:

Given the resources allocated for a full ROTC program (I'm referring to the old one) I'm more inclined to invest in a few good men. The mix should be geared to producing high quality officers who will go for a military career.

Instead of spending money training thousands of students who do not want ROTC and will hardly ever be used we might as well spend most of that money on a few but quality products who will be committed to active duty service. The armed forces will be better off if the program can produce a couple of hundred well educated and well trained lieutenants who will serve at least eight years on active duty than thousands of would be "reservists" who are forced to go through ROTC.

ROTC is not the only way to teach what it means to be a citizen.

Maybe you're right, Pendejo. :bow:

I'm also wrong according to some people in GHQ.

Including ROTC in the school curriculum is not only for purposes of orienting the youth to soldiery in case of emergency, but also to let them be acquainted with the basics of discipline that can be highly useful in practicing any carreer they have chosen and all their interaction with the society in general.

As far as geographical fairness is concerned, Baguio is a handy location for the northern part of the country and bit a distance away from the central and the south, but as far as the climate and temperature of the area, it's quite suitable for the rigid training and for the health of the cadets.

Baguio has a cool climate which makes most of the PMA cadets used to it. See them during the Independence Day parades many are collapsing. Matatag pa ang PMMA midshipmen and those from PNPA.

For the Naval Academy, would suggest the National Maritime Polytechnic at Leyte. It was a training center for seafarers and well-funded by Japan. Due to it's far location most seafarers don't want to train there no matter how advance their equipments are. And I believe they are transferring to Cavite to be nearer to Metro Manila, the center for Seafarers recruitment. The Gov't should consider this place and it's along the sea and can accommodate training ships and the facilities are there.

For the Airforce okay na sa Lipa or Clark, but as you said it need to decentralized so that leaves Mindanao.

I agree in establishing the air force academy in Clark Air Base. It's environment and location is suitable for pilot training and instruction. :aberet:

If you want an ideal flight training environment, you do not want it in typhoon areas. You want it in Southern Mindanao like Rajah Buayan in South Cotabato where there are no typhoons. More flying days equals shorter training programs, learning continuity and much lower cost.

Bet you didn't know that.

I admit that I don't, Pendejo. I apologize for my absence of knowledge. :aberet:

Are the rebels not raining the place with mortar shells?

Is it raining bullets there instead?

The air force operated a flight training facility in Rajah Buayan at least until the time we had aircraft to play with. The peace and order situation there is stable. Geographically, the presence of a military installation in an area tends to negate an insurgent presence.

The absence of typhoons in the area translates to more flying days. Training could be shortened from 18 months to as short as 12-14 months.

Check Manokski's website for air bases.

:btt:

you're gonna get the ire of the mods commando if you continue with your stupid one-liners and misplaced smilies.

as far as i know, sa last AFP day parade na nagparticipate ang PMA there was no single casualty of collapsing cadet during the drill nor the parade sa men in rankssaka sa mass colors pero sa PMMA one platoon leader collapsed while on drill.. he literally kiss the ground.

the last independence day parade na nagparticipate ang PMA there was no case of collapsing cadet... saka ang PNPA ang hindi nakapagkeep in step while marching with the big flag... :specool:

I had four AFP Day parades, several September parades and four Independence Day parades yet I cannot think of a single incident of cadets collapsing. Not even our plebes. Not even with our PMMA comrades. But then that was in the 70s were the times were "kinder and gentler". Hell hath no fury than the storm that befalls a cadet who bogs down.

To prepare for those parades, our uniform for morning and noon mess was with Shako a week or more before the activity.

The penalty was harsh. No privilege for the duration of the trip. Possible confinement and cancellation of break. Maximum Class II punishment. Exercises in athletic uniform infront of the TAC-O billet immediately after the parade.

It was not uncommon to see cadets delivering a butt stroke on themselves just to keep themselves from passing out. Our PMMA friends did the same to themselves.

Speaking of parade. I saw on CNN the Victory march by the Russian soldiers commemorating their victory against the NAZI. It was the "goose step march" that caught my attention, it was beautiful at the same time terrifying, the thumping of their boots signifies discipline, strength, and instilling fear .The North Korean soldiers and the NAZI storm troopers are using the same scary march step.

What if the AFP turn to goose step march? I know that democratic countries don't use that march because of its association with fascsism and Nazism, but Chile a democratic country is still using the goose step. What do you think Pendejo?

Ha! :drunk:

I think we should stick to our traditions.

You also have to look at what happens when the goose-step is done wrong -- bloody awful. Better to stick to the simple march -- after all, parade functions are not the primary function of the AFP.

:agree:

Furthermore, it would spread the joy around. Too many things are concentrated in Luzon in general, and the capital in particular. Such a practice simply lends credence to the Bangsa Moro's claim that the Philippines is an occupying power in Mindanao.

General Santos City -- where Rajah Buayan is -- would also be a great place for Naval Academy. Too bad cost will be an issue. There used to be a rumor that the US wanted to establish a naval base in Sarangani bay, so there must be something said for that.

A school or training facilities should be in a safer location and within healthy environment.
If Baguio fits the bill, then, why shift to somewhere else ?

the AFP used goose step march during the time of Pres. Ramos..