Is this sniper team marines or Scout Rangers?


Identified by some at militaryphotos as SR sniper spotter but others say they are PMC Force Recon. :wacko:

is that m24 sniper rifle the soldier is carrying?

accurized m14

M21??

yah the sniper version of the M14 is known as M21.. i wonder what the recoil is like on one of this things since the M14 has a badass recoil?

:sniper:

:) Is it just me or the sniper and the spotter are wearing BDUs with different camo pattern?

no bipod for the sniper rifle and spotter has no binocs?

No need for bipod cauldron ;) that sniper dude can shoot accurately even when standing...

Opus' website says that it is a Scout Ranger team. But from the differences of the uniform, I'd say that the one on the left is a Marine spotter while the one on the right is Scout Ranger.

Here's another pic from Opus' site showing a Marine spotter (with the M14) and sniper (with the Barret):



Again, differing camo patterns. So I'm still confused. :wacko:

:bounce: These guys probably changed places during the photo op, the sniper with the Barrett and the sniper with the M21/M14 picture wear the same cammies and the soldier with the M203 and the spotter with the M14 wear the same cammies. :blink:

that barret is one awesome rifle - i hear it can penetrate apc armor

both are marines with the right wearing an older issue cammies. the marines do not have accurized M-14's these are standard m-14's with scopes. see the folllowing sites:

http://www.snipercentral.com/mssr.htm
http://www.philippinemarinecorps.mil.ph/index.html
http://www.navy.mil.ph/

thank you mr guest for the clrarification and the websites , i went to the mssr site and was saddened by the fact that the rifle has only tasco or bushnell scopes which are good scopes for general marksmanship but not exactly for sniping and also for the info that the marines have no accurized m14s but just standard m14s, i know that our marine snipers are capable shooters but with modern kit their abilities wiill be enhanced further.

Marine Doctrines require 3 types of rifles for thier needs in:
primary for 600 meters company level DMR's 5.56mm
intermediate from 600 to 900 meters 7.62mm Remington 700 for battalion level
long range cal 50 m-95 barrets.
each have distinct advantages of the other
see: http://www.philippinemarinecorps.mil.ph/c6_sniperdev.html

BTW it is not the weapon but the man behind the weapon that counts. History of military warfare will attest to this. Your marines will always be a force to count on in time of need we assure you to our best ability.
http://www.philippinemarinecorps.mil.ph/c6_sniperdev.html

The Bushnell Block III scopes are good and could equal some of the Leupolds...

Leupold Mark 4 scopes
the new Bushnell doesn't even come close.

:demon:

depends on the type of armor but generally, .50 cal AP rounds can penetrate an inch of armor at sub500 meter distances.

:agree: a Leupold Mk4 LR scope on top of a Barrett Light Fifty is one awesome weapon system.

i dont think the marines have no skilled armorer capable of producing accurized m14

Wow even in militaryphotos.net the Philippine government even sends in its propagandists to correct wrong comments in military uniforms.

These guys are SRs, the first pic shows a guy with an accurized M14 and an M203. The optics is a springfield ART II scope. The field glasses is usually packed in their ruck sack kit.

Mr Guest is right, they should been using TASCO scopes with 1 inch tubes with ballistic rubber coats.

Believe it or not but these guy's cammo pattern is SR, SR do seldom use their black suits nowadays. The other guy may been using an older BDU than the other.

What I can positively say is that this guys is a bad sniper as he is in the field, he removed his ART-II scope (grossly compromising his rifle's zero) and replaced it with a Aimpoint M2 (or maybe ML2)for this photo op as shown in the last photo.

oh BTW see the rightmost guy untucked his trousers from his boots to cover its black silohouette. Its only the rangers and LRC that practices that here. Though the camo makeup of their faces are bad! could have been better! I can spot three symmetric lines in each of their faces.

Buti sana kung leupold, pero swarovski naka kabit sa mga barret ng AFP. But why use a barret at 500meters? That can be easily shot by an M14 or an M-16A2. At 500 meters they say that a .50 cal is used as anti materiel weapon.

now this getting more confusing :wacko:

one guest wrote that they are marine snipers while the recent guest said they are scout ranger snipers...

funny guys you cant even identify your own people
:bounce:

They are definetely Force recon trained by the Marine Scout Sniper School in fort Bonifacio. Marine does not have accurized M-14's but they do have standard scoped M-14's. the next best thing we can do to convince you is invite you to Hqs Philippine Marine Corps and shake had with the guys in the picture or just compare the camo pattens from pictures in the official website of the Marine corps and army.

please find time to visit these sites:

http://www.philippinemarinecorps.mil.ph/c6_sniperdev.html
http://www.snipercentral.com/mssr.htm
http://www.timawa.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=179
http://www.philippinemarinecorps.mil.ph/index.html
http://www.navy.mil.ph/gallery/marines/index.html
http://www.army.mil.ph/

Colonel, Philippine Marine Corps

Thank you sir for clarifying the issue.

SRs never wear Philippine Marine cammies. That is a big no-no. Ask that in the Scout Ranger yahoo groups.

SRs may use PA DPM style cammies or US Woodland pattern camo[occasionally].

The Philippine Marines use a derivative of the US Vietnam era ERDL[predecessor of the woodland pattern] with a different set of color and shorter/"amoeba" like patterns/splotches. It was invented by a Philippine Marine general in the mid-1970s.

From mid-1970s to the present there have been five versions[THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN] of this camouflage[SAME PATTERN BUT SLIGHTLY DIFFERING SHADES OF COLORS].

YOU WANT TO BUY? Its at the Philippine Marines Fort Bonifacio[BNAC] concessionaire. You may occasionally find it on a military supply stall along Quezon Boulevard in Quiapo. Last thing I asked for the price its at 1000 pesos a set.

The Philippine Marines also adheres to very strict regulations on proper webbing. They use the US Vietnam era ALICE system for their gear if you notice.

The US ALICE webbing system is hardly observed within the Philippine ARMY or Scout Ranger[they have different webbing LBG systems-LOTS OF THEM!].

See these 2 links and you will see 3 versions of the Marine cammies:

http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/category.asp?category=Asia

http://www.geocities.com/canuck_infantry/Australasia.html

I have seen Marine cammies with khaki as base color, light green as base color, and dark khaki as base color. I have seen Marine cammies change color after laundry cleaning and the colors get mixed together and tend to darken the whole clothing.

Just compare the ARMY DPM derivative pattern with the Marine cammies pattern and you will all understand why They are both Marines.

oh sige marines, kahit hindi gumagamit ang marines ng "rear coverall" ghillie suits.

It could really be just a stock M14 with a scope.

A US airborne soldier is shown here using a scoped M14 in Iraq:

amateur comment if i might say.

di ba talaga gumagamit ng ghillie suits ang mga marine snipers?

excuse me but the marines were the first to use ghillie suits in the AFP. They experimented various types from cloaks, overalls and using abaca to burlaps. As i said visit the marine website on its development whereas other AFP websites have no info on the matter simply because there is no effort.

http://www.philippinemarinecorps.mil.ph/c6_sniperdev.html

I did not say that the marines were not first to use ghillies (as a matter of fact they do), all I was saying that marines use full ghillies/sniper capes and not rear cover all ghillies (unless they started using that in the past two months). I based my judgement purely on doctrinal differences between the two units.

Second, MSSR is the primary and secondary weapon of the marine scout sniper teams. I have not observed a Marine using an M-14 mounting an Springfield ART-II scope, the Philippine Army requistion the ART-IIs the Marines requisitioned TASCOs.

Third, you do not have to untuck your trousers from your boots if you use full ghillies, but you have to do so if you use rear coverall ghillies.

Guys, I do not want to inflame anyone, I apologize if I did. It was a matter of opinion and counter opinion.

Peace! :rolleyes:

No problem in inflamming anyone here it is a forum where eveyone expresses thier opinion.

Second, MSSR is the primary and secondary weapon of the marine scout sniper teams. I have not observed a Marine using an M-14 mounting an Springfield ART-II scope, the Philippine Army requistion the ART-IIs the Marines requisitioned TASCOs.
WE HAVE THE MSSR AS PRIMARY - THE REMINGTON 700 AS INTERMEDIATE AND M-95 AS LONG RANGE BY DOCTRINE. THE TASCOS IN GOOD HANDS ACCOUNTED FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF MILF KILLS DURING THE MARINE 2000 CAMPAIGN.
WE DO NOT USE M-14's AS SNIPER RIFLES BUT WE DO HAVE STANDARD SCOPED RIFLES WITH LEUPOLD SCOPES WHICH VARIOUS UNITS ATTEMPTED TO ENHANCE THIER LONG RANGE CAPABILITY BUT NOT ACCEPTED DOCTRINALLY. TWO DIFFERENT TYPES SINCE SNIPER RIFLES NEEDS ACCURIZING AS FINE TUNING OF ALL PARTS, BARREL FLOATING, MATCH BARRELS, MATCH AMMO ETC ETC

http://www.timawa.net/images/marinesc.jpg


http://www.philippinemarinecorps.mil.ph/c6_sniperdev.html

Third, you do not have to untuck your trousers from your boots if you use full ghillies, but you have to do so if you use rear coverall ghillies.
NOT IN THE PHILIPPINES WHEN YOU STALK UNLESS YOU LIKE THE LEECHES, CENTIPEDES, SCORPIONS TO CRAWL IN YOUR LEGS.

I am wondering what type of match ammo do u guys use? For the MSSR, M700 and M95.

What happened to your M82/M82A1?

Why don't u guys host a sniper match as the Army does?

And maybe invite us civilians to join too.

tanong lang po...bakit pede ba ang civilian sumali sa army sniper contests? tsaka meron bang civilian sniper kasi ang alam ko di pede sa civilian ang highpower rifle...

hell ya :thumb:

probably with civilians using their allowed .22LR rifles :bounce:

but the US snipers in Iraq found out that Swarovski scopes work better on the Barrett than the Leupold.