i'm just wondering where the Scorpions, M113s and AIFVs of the Philippine Army are. are they still in use? is the Army planning to upgrade these vehicles and/or acquire more of them from overseas? :fire:

Don't forget the M41 walker-bulldogs. I've never seen one before.

did the Philippines really have M41 Walker Bulldog light tanks before? :armyeek:

I remember seeing two of them in Jolo in the mid 70s. One being towed by the other.

Still around. Army plans to upgrade some 100 M113...funds permitting. The Upgrade for the Scorpions have been approved but has been put on hold, because of "irregularities".


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Pictures of AIFV and V-150 providing runway security in Jolo. Taken during the fighting against the MNLF-MBG. Notice the first picture of the AIFV, looks old, and pretty shot up.

I saw one in Jolo but it wasnt being used by then...

the AIFV on the pics posted by datu seem to be very old and "not well taken care of". i'm wondering why the PA decided not to upgrade these and the M113s and Scorpions when these tracked vehicles seem to be "more reliable" than those wheeled "lemons" (Simbas). :drunk: :demon:

Any idea why and how we got those bulldogs?

According to an unpublished work by COL R AGUILAV CAV (PA) GSC, the PA intially had 7 M41s which were obtained in 1961 from Korea ( why Korea, beats me). They were initially issued to the then 1st Tank Bn, 1ID. These 7 M41s even had names painted on the port side of their turrets ( seen in a pic at the Lopez Museum). Two, Pakitang Lakas and Tagpo, were heavily used in the Battle of Jolo in 1974, and were instrumental in the rescue of SATAG Jolo, beside the airfield. Today, the M41s can be seen at GHQ Museum (1), PA Museum (1), PMA (1), PSG Compound (1, painted in the PSG pattern), NOLCOM Museum (1), LABDE HQ (1); one was allegedly turned in to the LogCom in the mid-70s for scrapping.

As for the other armored assets, these are deployed in the field. Its better that way, for at least they are utilized for their original intentions- and not for display and parades. The status or equipment levels are of course, confid. :armyeek:

about the upgrade program that is planned for PA's Scorpions, is that program the Scorpion 2000? will the PA replace the 76 mm turret with the Cockerill 90 mm? :dunno:

Am I correct in assuming that the M-41 acquisition didn't include too many spares?

How long did they last in PA service?

Has anyone heard or read anything about our SCORPION TANKS getting into action or actually being used in the South? The only armor assets we have that I have seen being used in battle are the V300s, 150s, simbas and other APCs
Pang display lang ba yun Tanks natin?

last news i heard about them was when they rolled them in camp aguinaldo aboard tank trailers (agen) during the oakwood mess.....

Here's some pics of it in action, I posted in the other forum:

http://www.lazamboangatimes.com/cesar_climaco_latest001.html

AIFV was used against separatists in the south - in actual combat - from a priest who was formerly a PA officer friend of mine. He was inside the vehicle at the time they fired at the tree line.

After the encounter there were a lot of body parts scattered at the tree line.

These armor are not applicable in combatting the NPA due to their abhorrence of conventional comabt unlike the MNLF anf MILF.

Might as well paint more of them in urban camo....don't you agree?

the afp use this type of tank during 2000 offensive against milf, i've seen 4 of them carried by trailers. 2 tanks per trailer.

One time I was asking why Scorpion tanks where sporting names of Philippine volcanoes[e.g. Mayon] on their hulls. Sabi sa akin nung armor crew e..kasi ang bulkan pumuputok.

well i don't know nothing about?
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I believe they used it several times. the scorpion is a good platform. fast, light and can even survive a hit from a shell that lands besides it (of course you need another tank to roll it back)

Last time I saw an actual moving scorpion in action was way back 1986 during the height of the EDSA revolution. I perosnally saw them ( around 3 plus 6 M113's and a number of V150) rumbling along the corner of then Sta Mesa Market (now SM CenterPoint) and G. Araneta Avenue going towards San Juan, apparently heading towards EDSA.

I have been away from the country for more than 10 years now and was just wondering if any of the Scorpions (like the ones I saw) are still being used...particularly in the Basilan Campaign?

Also regarding those M41 Walker BullDogs, is the AFP planning to revive them? Saw one here in the US in a Tank Musuem where curators managed to get one Vietnam Vintage and brought it back to running and combat ready condition. According to them took thousands of dollars to get it to that point.

Pakitang Lakas




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What if these babies are operational?

Can the LAD retrofit these tanks with newer diesel engines?

Eventhough these are old tanks. there's still a big psychological effect when the enemy sees big barreled guns. :scared:

:wow: It still looks tough.

Man I hope the PA can do a similar LVTH project for these babies. I remember PMC Reservists volunteered their service to activate those 4 LVTH behemoths. Any takers from our PA Reservist friends? That would be an accomplishment :specool:

Nice find Sir kropek49.

The M41 Walker Bulldog is classified as a light tank and should do well when crossing bridges. It weighs about 26 tons more or less. Besides overhauling it and replacing it with a brand new diesel engine, I was wondering if this can be upgunned from its current 76mm to a 90mm.

Does anyone know how many of these tanks are still in the Philippines. If there are about 10 of these are they still serviceable? The one that I saw in the museum was a restored version. I do have photos of it but do not know how to post it in this forum. If someone can show me how I will gladly share it with you guys.

The Royal Thai Army has a number of these in perfect combat condition as seen in their latest junta.

TECHNICAL GUIDE, Tips!

There are only 6 of these tanks remaining out of the original 7 that were delivered to the Army. Sad to say that they were been dropped from the equipment list a long time ago and now serve as displays in different camps in Luzon.

2 in HLAD at Cp O'Donnell
1 in NOLCOM at Tarlac City
1 in Cp Aguinaldo
1 in Ft Bonifacio Museum
1 in Malacanang Park

Sayang ano?

Those babies still look intimidating enough.

OO nga sir kropek, I hope the LAD can refit those tanks.

for us, nothing is imposible, the only thing we can do is encourage our Army guys to get those Bulldogs back into the service again, nakayanan yan ng marines when they put the big LVTH-6 back from the dead, I know the Army guys can do it , as long as the engine of those tanks still inside those babies :salute:

And when that happen, i can't wait to see those M41s rolling again

"READY TO ROLL OUT :patrioticpinoy: !!!"

Saver111,

Thanks for the tip. Will try to resiter with photobucket and share you guys some photos I took from the Tank Museum.


Sayang talaga. But as long as the external shell is intact, the only problem will be the engines. Most tanks that are on display at Fort Knox are usually shell only and no engines. If the AFP can spare some funds to buy refurbished engines or better yet brnad new ones, then we can see these hulks rumble again.

During the Vietnam War this tank did ok according to some sources that I read. These tanks can sure help a lot in the COIN operation down in Basilan.

Attached are the photos I took of the M41. Notice the detail and immense effort they used to restore this hulk from the Vietnam Era....almost like brand new.
Pasensya na kung hindi nakuha yung buong barrel dahil gipit sa space.

where did you take those pics akim?

i think our walkers are already too rusted and damaged, its no longer viable to revive these tanks.

sayang, sana di inexpose sa labas if only the army had foresight before that its possible to refurbish if only these were stored inside enclosed garage/motorpool similar to above pics of akimima.

i think we should get those, kahit luma na ,( attention JUSMAG! ) :armyLol: syang na man magagamit pa natin yan :thumb:

I think the idea is if we could activate existing units without buying like what was done in the LVTH of the PMC. If we opt to buy, we better get a later model or other equipments in the priority list of the PA.

Agree ako on that bit na paganahin na lang yun ano meron tayo at the moment rather than buy "new" ones. Kung hindi naman modify existing ones to serve the role better. Kung kapos sa APC then make half-tracks na lang uli.

tama, take those war relic of ours out of display & make a use of it, yung M-41, pwede cguro tayong manghingi sa US via JUSMAG(suggestion ko lang guys) or cguro sa Taiwan, kahit magalit angCHICOMS , by the way, meron pa ba tayong Halftrack? :dunno:

Zundino,

I took those pictures from a Tank Museum here sa US. Besides the Walker they also have tanks from WI until the present. Very impressive collection I must say and the best part 90% of their tanks are combat ready....restored to factory condition. Wish the AFP had the money to do this.

Me too! Meron naman Thais ng M-41 or sa Europe na no longer used bu in storage. We might be able to buy and use them pa. Armed with a low recoil 105mm gun ayos lalo!

Those M41s can still be used. given enough support... these units can still be used.

Unlike the Marines' LVTH6, we don't have extra units to get parts from. so Engine and tranny will have to replaced with readily commercially parts.
The gatling gun unit developed by the LAD would be great if it could be fitted on the commander's hatch via RCWS. and some reactive armor on the turret sides.

It would be a very mean looking machine. but kind of an overkill if used in the south. better used for running display on major camps. pampaporma and show of force sa mga parades.

:specool:

Better siguro kung reserved muna, pag lumala na lang ang sitwasyon sa mindanao, saka na lang dalhin doon
:salute:

i thought we have 41 units of scorpions