Does the Philippine Army have a division/battalion that it considers to be jungle elite?.. I know the AFP does considerable training in jungle warfare but are there troops that are specially earmarked for jungle operations apart from SR units?

All PA regular units that fight in the jungle are jungle (most of em are) warfare capable troops...but for specialized small unit jungle warfare ops - the SRs are it.

ur jukin kamp u put the sr equal with army regular troops
no way regular troops can equal scout rangers bro :D

It was on the grapevine that PA divisions are forming recon battalions with people they sent to SR for training. This I suppose is division level effort to create their own jungle fighting troops. It was rumoured that most NPA engagements in 2003 and 2004 are from SR trained division recon units.

Does "crack jungle troops" mean soldiers who 'crack' when sent to the jungle?

Yes they can... once they both start to bleed.

I believe you are not being sarcastic here sir.

Actually i posted this topic thinking how great it would be for the PA battalions to have more than their usual share of jungle training... comparable to SR's.. and who would have the best jungle training but the SR's.... I think this is an excellent idea, if it is indeed true :thumb:

I just got confirmation that it is true, They are going further to integrate at brigade level. Even the airforce combat battalions are going the same path. Now that is something positive for a very very long time.

Ummmm...will this not pave the way for the eventual disbandment of the SR regiment?

:thumb: cool... the integration of SR tactics and training into the whole AFP will only strengthen and improve our soldiers exponentially..

As for your fears that the SR will be disbanded... not if the GOvt. and generals get another brain fart and make the same mistake they did the last time they disbanded the SR's... simply put, as long as there are jungles in the Philippines, you need cougars to stalk your prey... :bounce:

I hope not, I really wish they do several things.

1. They upgrade SOCOM to Area Command Grade under AFP (not under the ARMY anymore) just like NOLCOM, SOLCOM, VIZCOM & SOUTHCOM. Thier purpose is extended counter insurgency and counter terrorism.

2. The SR/SFs will be mandated to train other division's recon/jungle units (platoon or company size)

3. Deploy SOCOM units SR/SF/LRC as hunter units poaching insurgent (jungle & rural) areas. They should be the units constantly chasing the insurgents to a protracted cat and mouse game in the mountains and countryside. The area commands should act as reception committee to insurgents trying to break contact from constant pursuit.

What's is dissipating the SR/SF/LRC's achievements and resources is that they carry area of responsibilities under the different commands. You can not let SR/SF hold ground like regular infantry. You are negating your advantage by doing so.

But again, that would make SOCOM as one of the strongest fighting unit in our arsenal (in terms of responsibility and mobility of resources). I guess the hesitation is political much less than practical.

there are battalions who are former members of the First Scout Ranger Regiment.. when the SR was deactivated for the second time.. these units was absorbed by the army divisions as regular Battalions.. to identify them just look at their battalion logo and see that they are proud of their heritage.. and you'll see the musang...

one example is the former 1st Ranger Battallion
On December 1989, General Order #542 dated December 21, 1989 changed the name of the ISRB to 74th infantry battalion under the 2nd infantry division, PA. MAJOR BALAOING became the first commanding officer of the 74IB. The battalion retained its unit motto, " UNBEATABLE".

Was there a Second Scout Ranger Regiment? I never knew..can you update me of the history of this unit? why it was disbanded? :wow:

Nice. Doctrine wise, you should have naval and air force special operating units under the same umbrella. Like the US Special Operations Command, where point of the spear spec op units of each service are under one headquarters.

The cynic in me, however, worries if they would just do this to generate more TOE, O-8 and O-7 billets and the corresponding budget, haay patatas.

what i mean is the second deactivation of the Ranger regiment after the 1989 coup..
sorry..

Talking about the second SR regiment - is it possible to have 2 active SR regiments ? can we still provide the manpower and equipment?


-curious lang po :armysmile:

kaya naman and pwede naman yata yun pero political question yun, if I am not mistaken they restructuring the FSRR to 3 battalions na lang. Ask the president you voted for.

will not happen - the politicians will never allow another SR regiment to be created - too dangerous for you know why... :devilwink:

that's true.. considering that the Scout Rangers are the most radical thinkers in the whole AFP...
:agree:

marami po sa founders ng Young Officers Union ay Scout rangers. Once worked with them years back

And from a military point of view they did a good job in laying out defenses in their Makati take-over in 1989 as compared to the Magdalos'. their positions are mutually supporting, Even the dynamite and C-4 around their command detonated mines had a can of gasoline as extra-insurance that the blast is lethal. Mga Magdalo C-4 kitang-kita as is pinapakita for all the media people to see.

Baka siguro for media-effect lang ang sa Magdalos - di talaga pang bakbakan eh di naman siguro ganun kapulpol ang mga SWAG. :devilwink:

sabi po sa akin ng sources ko naghihintay sila ng civilian human shields both armed and unarmed.

armed and unarmed??

hmp1 mga Guardians ni Honasan - di ba pumunta sila dun pero kulang :demon:

plan B ang Oakwood since they were unmasked. It was a last stand of sorts.

e ano ang plan A, malakanyang? :demon:

madami pong scout rangers sniper sa taas ng Oakwood.. saka 90 RR sa avenue of approach ng mga APC.. sabi nga ng isang PAF pilot.. kung alam lang nila na andun ang snipers na may dalang barret sa taas ng building.. hindi nila palalapitin yung MG520.. kasi one shot from sniper.. means minus one sa inventory ng PAF.. :rifle:

kuya kulitin mo na lang si opus ukol sa six-shot grenade launcher image. kasi may bwisit na sumira sa forum. sabi ni opus baka pwede niya maibalik. meron pa nga roong M-14 na ginawang SAW! pero wlang bipod at pistol grip. produkto naman ng NPA. andaming naghirap mag-ipon ng mga links at news doon tapos sinira lang ng mga masasamang elemento ng lipunan.

kasali ba ang mga SR sniper sa Magdalo or sa anti-coup forces?

sa magdalo... andun adin ang isang sniper instructor.. saka mga bagong graduate ng ranger course.. yung iba napigilan bago makapunta ng makati. :rifle:

well i think all Phil army units are trained in jungle warfare :snipemo: :snipemo: :salute:

Diba dapat mga elite-no-nonsense jungle fighters ang core ng Philippine army tapos may mga dedicated at well trained (sama na well-mannered) territorials as back up