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Title: Question on the NSTP program


ian - June 12, 2005 06:16 AM (GMT)
Is it written on the NSTP law that schools have the capability to opt as to not having ROTC and just offering CWTS and LTS instead? Can anyone provide a link where more information about this can be read? Thanks in advance. :aberet:

adroth - June 12, 2005 07:16 AM (GMT)

commando - June 16, 2005 06:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ian @ Jun 12 2005, 02:16 PM)
Is it written on the NSTP law that schools have the capability to opt as to not having ROTC and just offering CWTS and LTS instead? Can anyone provide a link where more information about this can be read? Thanks in advance. :aberet:

Are you anti-ROTC?

ian - June 19, 2005 12:47 PM (GMT)
No. As a matter of fact, I am a cadet officer in our rotc unit. I am saddened by the fact that around 60-70% of enrolees are choosing the CWTS/LTS and only about 30-40% have chosen ROTC. I am asking this because if other schools can have the option of only having the CWTS and LTS program, then maybe we can also push as to having only ROTC as the option.

ian - June 19, 2005 12:54 PM (GMT)
This is all I found on the Adroth site:

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Is the NSTP available in all Schools and Universities?

All Higher and Technical-vocational educational institutions will be offering at least one (1) of the NSTP components while State Universities and Colleges will offer the ROTC component and a least one other NSTP component. Private schools who have at least 350 student cadets will be offering the ROTC component thru its Department of Military Science and Tactics (DMST).


I am from the Xavier University - Ateneo de Cagayan. This puts us under private schools. The text does not specify if private schools have the option of having only one NSTP component, or two, or is required to offer all three.

saver111 - June 20, 2005 06:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ian @ Jun 19 2005, 08:47 PM)
No. As a matter of fact, I am a cadet officer in our rotc unit. I am saddened by the fact that around 60-70% of enrolees are choosing the CWTS/LTS and only about 30-40% have chosen ROTC. I am asking this because if other schools can have the option of only having the CWTS and LTS program, then maybe we can also push as to having only ROTC as the option.

Well best is make something worthwhile that students will opt to join the ROTC instead. But like what other posters noted na puro marsta lang at drills ganuon na nga mangyayari dyan.

Being in a sectarian school, normally they are against military type of trainings. And being in it right now try to prove them they're wrong. :aberet:

adroth - June 20, 2005 08:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ian @ Jun 19 2005, 04:47 AM)
No. As a matter of fact, I am a cadet officer in our rotc unit. I am saddened by the fact that around 60-70% of enrolees are choosing the CWTS/LTS and only about 30-40% have chosen ROTC. I am asking this because if other schools can have the option of only having the CWTS and LTS program, then maybe we can also push as to having only ROTC as the option.

Non-state universities have the option of not offering ROTC. Ateneo de Davao and Ateneo de Naga for example shutdown their ROTC units when NSTP came into being. The only schools required to have ROTC units are state schools. Ateneo de Manila removed their quota system and their enrollments have dropped as well. The quotas originally ensured that all components of the NSTP offered in that university had a minimum number of students. Now they've allowed "free market" forces dictate enrollments. IMHO, this is really how it should be.

Pushing for an ROTC-only offering is a hopeless cause -- primarily because of the history behind how the present NSTP system came about. Better to justify one's existence through effective programs, rather than removal of competition. That's how De La Salle is doing things, and they appear to be doing fine.

Evil Captain - June 22, 2005 09:34 AM (GMT)
Sir Adroth. How many officers who served on active duty were produced by La Salle?

adroth - June 22, 2005 05:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Evil Captain @ Jun 22 2005, 01:34 AM)
Sir Adroth. How many officers who served on active duty were produced by La Salle?

I'm afriad I don't have those stats.

However, as per info from our resident AFP Cadet of the Year, that unit has not produced a single general / admiral yet.

saver111 - August 24, 2005 09:11 AM (GMT)
Just read Mr. Erik Espina's Metro Corner of Manila Bulletin 24 Aug 2005, titled "Hello, national security..."

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The Office of the National Security Adviser should also look into "horror" stories (according to a UP professor) of how CHED has indiscriminately accredited some NGO's to handle the subject Community Welfare etc. under the National Service Training Program in colleges and universities.

Said NGOs are fronts for "leftist" organizations out to capitalize on impressionable and the idealistic minds of our students.


Accrediting NGOs without background checks? Should have criterias for this. NGOs like the Red Cross Youth and Youth Volunteers of the Fil-Chinese Fire and Rescue Group would be much better. Established and well organized.

adroth - August 24, 2005 05:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (saver111 @ Aug 24 2005, 01:11 AM)
Just read Mr. Erik Espina's Metro Corner of Manila Bulletin 24 Aug 2005, titled "Hello, national security..."

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The Office of the National Security Adviser should also look into "horror" stories (according to a UP professor) of how CHED has indiscriminately accredited some NGO's to handle the subject Community Welfare etc. under the National Service Training Program in colleges and universities.

Said NGOs are fronts for "leftist" organizations out to capitalize on impressionable and the idealistic minds of our students.


Accrediting NGOs without background checks? Should have criterias for this. NGOs like the Red Cross Youth and Youth Volunteers of the Fil-Chinese Fire and Rescue Group would be much better. Established and well organized.

This is indeed troubling.

Too bad the article isn't on the online version of MB

commando - October 17, 2005 02:09 AM (GMT)
All ROTC needs to do to get more recruits is to remove tha hair policy. :headbang:

scuttlebutt - October 17, 2005 12:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (commando @ Oct 17 2005, 10:09 AM)
All ROTC needs to do to get more recruits is to remove tha hair policy. :headbang:

long hair ka ba?

saver111 - October 17, 2005 01:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (commando @ Oct 17 2005, 10:09 AM)
All ROTC needs to do to get more recruits is to remove tha hair policy. :headbang:

What? Simple hair policy is a big issue? Then there's a problem with recruitment program of that unit that's giving a wrong signal to trainees regarding the whole objective of the ROTC.

ian - October 27, 2005 11:18 AM (GMT)
The problem with the ROTC now is that, unlike before, there are no more Tac NCOs who are permanently stationed inside the school's ROTC office. The Tac NCOs and COs only come on Saturday and special formations, unlike before where there was always a Tac NCO present. This affects ROTC a lot because the management is left to the students/cadet officers alone. What happens now is that students have a hard time because they are obligated to do so many things inside ROTC as well as obligated to excel in their academics. Without Tac NCOs present in ROTC offices, nobody will supervise cadet officers which makes the system prone to abuse. The commandant does not really know what is happening inside the ROTC unit since he is only there a fraction of the time. The CDCs will not really know if individual ROTC units are really implementing the proper training schedules, etc. because they are not actually there inside the unit.

adroth - November 9, 2005 07:48 PM (GMT)
The presence of Tac-Os does not guarantee proper implementation of policies either. What is needed is genuine school involvement.

Pressure is, and will always be, part of a cadet officer's life. Overcoming the challenge of balancing unit-obligation with studies will have a lot of benefits in the long run. You learn the art of time management, that way.

One of the reasons I never had problems with jobs that required prodigious amounts of multi-tasking was because of my ROTC experience.

We've had Corps Commanders graduate as cum laude before. The balancing act is not an impossible task.

ian - November 11, 2005 01:17 PM (GMT)
Thanks for sharing your opinion adroth! :ssalute: Yes, although having Tac-Os/NCOs present all the time will not guarantee proper implementation, it will surely help. I agree that ROTC helps in time management and discipline no doubt about that, but placing the entire responsibility on the cadet officers in running the unit is not good. Cadet officers do not know all that much, thats why there are suppose to be knowledgable Tac-Os/NCOs to teach them since they are still in the learning phase. Having no real soldiers inside the unit is like not having an audit. There is no check and balance.

adroth - November 11, 2005 03:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ian @ Nov 11 2005, 05:17 AM)
but placing the entire responsibility on the cadet officers in running the unit is not good. Cadet officers do not know all that much, thats why there are suppose to be knowledgable Tac-Os/NCOs to teach them since they are still in the learning phase.

This I agree with.

There needs to be a responsible, mature, adult -- preferably a school official -- who ensures consistency in how policies and procedures are implemented. I say that I prefer a school official because such an individual would always be part of the school, and therefore would be held accountable for issues that crop up.

Commandants have the necessary "professional knowledge", but usually aren't assigned to units long enough (Gen Vallejo of UP is one of the very rare exceptions), to ensure consistency. Furthermore, the transitory nature of the Commandant's position is also a temptation to "steal and run".

Back in the earlier years of the Ateneo de Davao, the "Dean of Men" fulfilled this role. The position has been replaced by the Office of Student Affairs. Unfortunately, not everyone who occupied this position was mindful of the need to maintain relations with the ROTC office.

lieutenant_seniorgrade - October 22, 2006 11:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Evil Captain @ Jun 22 2005, 05:34 PM)
Sir Adroth. How many officers who served on active duty were produced by La Salle?

The current Flag Officer in Command of the Philippine Navy (Admiral Mateo Mayuga) is an Alumni Officer of the DLSU ROTC Unit. He went to the PMA after he served as a Midshipman Officer in DLSU for some time. There are a lot of DLSU ROTC Officer alumni who go to PMA for their commission instead of the Advanced ROTC courses (the latest one being Filemon Tan, a Corps Commander of the 247th who just graduated from the PMA). A major hindrance for DLSU ROTC Officers to go to the "Advance Courses" is the Trimestral system. Summer camp training (NS-33 and NS-43) usually conflicts with the academic calendar (first and/or third trimester). There was one recently who got his commission from the advanced ROTC and went into active duty. I will not name him though since he was assigned to ISAFP.

2 DLSU ROTC ALUMNI APPOINTED TOP BRASS IN PHILIPPINE MARINES RESERVE UNIT

In case you missed this news bit, 2 La Sallites, COL Benjamin “Jonji” F Kalalo, Jr PN(M)(MNSA)(GSC)(Res) and COL Theodore “Ted” F KATALBAS PN(M)(MNSA)(GSC)(Res), were officially appointed and installed as Brigade Commanding Officer and Deputy Brigade CO, respectively, of the Philippine Marine Corps Reserve Force-National Capital Region sometime 1st quarter of this year, 2006. The MRF-NCR as the Marine unit is known in short, is composed of Marine reservists who are commissioned officers, NCOs, and EMs as officers and elements of the unit. Turnover ceremonies were held at HQS NAVRESCOM, Intramuros, Manila.

Jonji relieved COL Danilo “Nil” Gamboa PN (M) (GSC) (Res), as outgoing Brigade Commander. Nil, a La Sallite, retired after faithfully and honorably serving the Philippine Navy and Philippine Marine Corps for several years notwithstanding his private practice in the civilian sector. It is also interesting to note that on the same occasion, another La Sallite, CAPT Clodualdo “Clod” Antonio PN (GSC), also retired and turned over his command as Commander of the 201st Philippine Navy Reserve Squadron. Clod also served the Philippine Navy for several unselfish years although he too had a full-time career in the private sector. His unit is the PN counterpart of the PMC Reserve Brigade.

If you want to join or interested to participate in ranks of either Naval of Marine reserve units regardless of rank and branch of service, please feel free to visit their respective headquarters. The MRF-NCR headquarters is located at the ground floor (firing range) of the Philippine Marine Corps Training Center, Marine Barracks, Fort Bonifacio, Metro Manila. On the other hand, the 201st Philippine Navy Reserve Squadron headquarters is located at NAVRESCOM, Intramuros, Manila.
Aside from Nil, Jonji and Ted, there are several La Sallites in the MRF-NCR. To name some are: 2Lt Cesar G Torres PN(M)(Res), LCOL Mayo Jose B Ongsingco PN(M)(MNSA)(GSC)(Res), MAJ Willard “Willy” A Agaloos PN(M)(Res), COL Raul G Ferriols PN(M)(MNSA)(GSC)(Res), CAPT Robert Anthony “Bob” M Villamor PN(M)(Res)-DLSU medicine school, COL Benjamin “Chippy” Espiritu PN(M)(MNSA)(GSC)(Res), COL Dante “Dan” Lantin PN(M)(MNSA)(GSC)(Res), 2Lt Ferdinand “Ferdi” F Sta Barbara PN(M)(Res), and 2Lt Ramoncito “Chito” Mercader PN(M)(Res). Other Philippine Marine Corps reservists to mind and those listed on the HPN SO # 60 dated 23 Sep 92 are: 2LtRaul R Hidalgo, the late 2Lt Miguel K Katigbak, MAJ Horacio S Gonzalez, COL Reden “Denden” G Abdon PN(M)(MNSA)(GSC)(Res), the late LCOL ANTONIO “Tony” L Avila PN(M)(MNSA), 2Lt Philip “Phil” D Tangco, 2Lt Michael “Mike” Alano, 2Lt Arnulfo “Boy” S Montenegro, 2Lt Manuel “Manolo/Manny” S Salang, 2Lt Francisco “Kit” P Lucido, MAJ Horacio “Ray” R Ogbinar, 2Lt Teodorico “Ted” T Haresco Jr, 2Lt Eduardo “Dado” J Hipolito, MAJ Juanito “Johnny” L Singson and 2Lt Emmanuel “Manny Boy” V Reyes. COL Natalio “Boying” ECARMA PN(M)(MNSA)(GSC) is in the active service after joining the PMA. LCOL Rey Grospe PN(M) and MAJ Clyde Cases PN(M) are retired but technically PMC reservists.

CAPT DE ORO - November 1, 2006 11:56 AM (GMT)
hi sirs, I'm back. :armygrin:
I noticed good interactions here regarding the implementation of NSTP.
Well, its nice to note your good opinions and observations regarding it.
Sir Adroth, I have heard that an experimental ROTC program is going on in UP Vanguard ROTC by utilizing organic employee of the university who were commissioned officers to be the ROTC Commandant. With this, full supervision and involvement of the school authorities is being carriedout. I appreciate if you could provide info with this. Tnx. :ssalute:
pssst, zipper your mouth.




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