Take your pick, select the Filipino you think befits the title - The Greatest Filipino

Marcos.

How he managed to get the top spot amazes me.

I am saddened by how the story went in its latter part though.

Nonetheless, how he did it makes him great, .... as i see it.

What!?

Ramon Magsaysay not among the choices...I'd better lock this poll <------JOKE :armygrin:


Dolphy?...duh

they are all great, each have their own merit to be called a great filipino but on my opinion, the greatest among them is Quezon. by the way, Dolphy is the greatest philippine actor right? and he has never held a political office.

if we believe history.. Jose Rizal was not a Filipino.. he's an Spanish subject but not Filipino( if we're going to use the historical references).. Filipino was the term used for Spaniards born in the Philippines and Rizal was not a Spaniard.. thus technically he's not a filipino. :headbang:

Lapu-Lapu he kicks ass, bows to no one.

Lapu-Lapu is not a Filipino.

The Philippines did not exist during his day. If he were alive today, he'd say that he is citizen of Opon, not of the Philippines.

This reminds me of that pathetically poorly researchd malarky by the AFP office of reservist affairs about Lapu-Lapu being the first reservist. He was a frontline fighter.

Who's who??? are we really all filipinos to start with? or we are called filipinos because some European asswipe decided to colonize as much islands as he can disregarding that it has its own native kings and its cultures and its own wars I mean for crying out loud had spaniards have the chance of colonizing what is Indonesia and Malaysia now without pissing off other European thieves for the sake of King Philip they probably would and almost the whole of malaya would have been Philippines.
In my book Lapu-lapu make it Filipino or not is one of the greatest as far as Im concerned.

Juan and Maria dela Cruz.

Simple, ordinary, uncomplicated,

industrious, patient, resillient,

plodding, humble Filipino and Filipina masses,

taking all things in stride, bearing up with the

foibles and idiosyncracies as well as imbecilities

and asinine inanities of their so-called leaders,

bearing and overcoming the pressing challenges

and almost impossible barriers that deter them

from achieving the good life. But smiling ever,

with great sense of humor, manning the ramparts of

industry and agriculture, the cog wheels of the economy,

the underpinnings of business and labor,

full of hope, courage and determination,

despite the highly trying and almost desperate times,

always coming out on top after every typhooh,

wars, Y2K, earthquake, eruption of volcanoes, havoc,

so-called people power, the mediocrity of politicians,

other calamities of most devastating and debilitating

character, man made or wrought by nature.


They are the greatest citizens of this country. :specool:

:agree: :bow:

Eddie Gil - the true example of a filipino. :headbang:

I hate to say this but your right

:headbang:

Well said! :agree:

Anak ng tapaklong o! May bumoto pa kay Marcos!!!!#@%$&*!1 :headbang:

Please come out in the open and let's debate on your reasons!

Rizal is the greatest filipino... :bow: :salute: :patrioticpinoy:

Andres Bonifacio - the true revolutionary, killed by politics and greed - the weakness of Filipinos ever since.

I agree with BRASSBALL.

Lapu-Lapu is the greatest Filipino because he is not a KISS BUTT TYPE and repel the invaders with pride as a Filipino. Peace to all.

don't forget that lawyer who wanted the philippines to become the next us state, threw spikes along edsa to get media attention, and threatened to burn down school houses in protest of his "unjust" treatment...... now i think that character epitomizes majority of us pinoys!

IF we believe the narratives that he killed magellan
IF we believe that it was HIS idea to repel the invaders
IF we believe he was at the frontlines of the battle

we will never really know, coz we lack the records.....

Rizal is still numero uno for me coz he used his brain rather than his brawn..... and genuinely believed in the youth..... and he drew cool comics to boot! :ssalute:

MAKOY? following that line of reasoning, Hitler should have been voted the greatest german leader who ever lived because he reunited the germanic peoples and turned germany from WW1 defeat to a world powerhouse by the start of WW2.....

while were at it, why not pardon Osama Bin Laden because he had donated schools in afghanistan and other poor islamic countries?

or if those examples are still too complicated to understand, give Abu Sabaya and Janjalani a medal because they courageously risked their lives to save his comrade-in-arms and gave money to poor families in basilan......

just a question to those who voted for Marcos..... did you actually experience living in his time?

Andres Bonifacio... hands down. at least, he's being honored by us not because the Americans imposed it to us (oooopppsss... did i insult the pro-Rizals here? :armytwisted: :armyLol: ).

Ramon Magsaysay isnt here? Hed get my vote.
-No Hashim Salamat? yes i did say hashim salamat
-No Ninoy?

Cory did cross my mind, but she just lost my respect. As a sitting president who in many times faced coups and resisted in many times to give up power to a junta. And she has the nerve to asks another sitting president to do what she never did? Lost my respect after that.

---I remember living in LaUnion during "his time", compared to LaUnio today, back then it was safer, people respected authority-police-, there were alot of public works in town, new school wings, just new schools and class rooms, LUELCO, School kids were disciplined, there werent whorehouses in every corner like today, and there was vitually no drugs back then in the whole town, now drugs especially shabu is a very big problem.

As to why people voted for him? Baka adu laeng ti ilokano nga agbas-basa itoy forum nga nag boto kanyana? :devilwink: Right Flipzi? :armywink: :armycheers:

ehem ... :armyroleyes:

The point there is...

COMPARE OUR LIVES WHEN MARCOS WAS LEADING US.

THEN LOOK AT US TODAY.

Plain and simple.

Malamang di namayagpag pati drug rings at rapist.

Siguradong silya elektrika sila.

Ngayun sa sobrang pandidikta ng simbahan at kakulangan ng pang-unawa ng pulitiko kasabay ng kanilang sobrang papogi sa masa.

SUS .. DAMI NA DRUG SYNDICATES DAMI PA RAPIST. :bs:

same reason why we speak english and enjoy democracy.... just because the idea may have come from the americans doesn't mean that it don't make sense....

could you say the same across all of the country? aside from northern luzon, how about bicol? or mindanao? or negros? places were makoy's cronies were running amok?

the germans were living better off under hitler than after ww1, even if he ordered the deaths of millions....
the palestinians were living better off under arafat, even if he invented hijacking as a terror tactic....

my point is that we should look at a man's life as a whole, and not just choose the things that he did right..... the mind that thought of the great filipino culture is the same mind that stole millions and ordered thousands imprisoned or killed

Yeah, right. :sad2:

Because during the time of Marcos, the media was under his control. Hear no evil, say no evil and see no evil. Kangaroo military courts were abundant. Silya electrica or a .45 sug at the fontanel or temple did the same banana. McKoy's secreta was watching eveything and we still have their remnants in the like of Lacson and his cabal.

In lieu thereof, the the Filipino had a daily and steady dose of "sanitized" media diatribe. Instead of documenting or reporting the daily incarceration and/or summary killings ( Ninoy was just one among the countless who were killed and it is a shame that the AFP under Ver was coy to this), Imelda's numerous foreign trips to borrow money, shopping spree and the erection of walls and coconut trees along the roads to sheild squaters and shanties from the dictator's foreign guests, the Filipinos witnessed or watched Erap, FPJ, the clown Tito Sotto and Dolphy etc. and company while our country spiraled from Asia's premier economy, into Asia's basket case economy. I've witnessed our proud military deteriorate from a first rate power to a third rate power comparable to a thug which enforces Marcos' caprice and whims. If you do not remember this, try the memory lane and listen to Yoyoy and Florante's chrivari. Yup, it was better in the time of Marcos because there were 'no" bad news. :armyroleyes: The country was known as Maharlika, do you believe that! :lollol: We had KKK (Kanya Kanayang Kotong) and Imelda's Super Palenke were you could buy TVP, because it is a growing reality, that after watching Erap and FPJ, we realized that our stomachs were still empty and that most Filipinos during those decades were experiencing the effects of our rapid economic decline--where few could afford fresh meat. It couldn't help but crack up when I watch Imee Marcos Manotoc. She has the gall or temerity to ask the price of galungong today and the price a few years ago! She has one stratified squamous keratinazing face to pop that up! If it wasn't for their thievery, Pinoys might be at par with Japan today and we will be eating steak for breakfast instead of Imee's measly galungong. Heck try asking the pauper next to you. You would be luck if he could even afford a payless meal!

Imagine the lost opportunity. Geez, we might even have several squadrons of Eurofighters or Rafales or F-15s or stealth Frigates, we might not even be asking the Chinese to return some of our islands or I would not even be buying my men some local boots because logistics can't provide enough....boys you can dream your hearts desire, if only Marcos did not f--k us up! The most sad of all tongues are the words, it might have been.

"Plain and simple?"


Let's ask ourselves: Am I among those taken for a ride?

Very correct.

The Philippines seemed to be a very happy place back then because any newspaper editor who printed negative stories about the government or the country in general will get a visit from someone in Fort Bonifacio.

I clearly remember that Marcos suppressed the news of the impending collapse of the country's sugar industry. He's reasoning was that we must not show weakness during trade negotiations with the US.

A lot of news were suppressed. I also disagree with the belief that there were less drugs before than now. For example, marijuana use in school universities was so rampant that you can see students having a joint in the corridors.

Im beginning to see reasons here.

BTW, i admire the man and what he has done during the early years of his rule.

With what happened in the latter part of his rule and whatever has turned him into that, i can agree with your negative perception about the Apo.

I admire him for his capabilities though.

Identifying and analyzing his deeds and misdeeds will help anyone who is aspiring for public office to achieve what former president Ferdinand Marcos has done even when he was still starting in politics.

Know the man and try to equal his attributes, but less his misdeeds of course.

I can say he might not be the greatest Filipino but he certainly is the greatest Filipino leader because he had allowed us to see both extremes in leading a nation.

We now have a paradign of a great leader.

Considering what he is and what he has done during his entire term, we can now conceive a model of what a great leader should be.

Flipzi, can you list down the good deeds and attributes of Marcos during his term?

I tried but couldn't think of any.

voice of reason wrote:

Yup, Marcos had a lot to do with it when he appointed his classmate in U.P. , Mr. Benedicto to head the industry. He was so brilliant like Marcos, he succeeded in milking the blood out of the sugar tillers and planters. Imagine, half of our country's sugar mills closed (90 + down to 30-40!!!!) and the price of sugar was dictated upon us and while Benedicto reaped the profit. I should know because this cheat, like Marcos nearly took the shirt off my parents while we barely managed to get even and support our tenants with their needs and necessities. The sugar mills were not maintained properly and to this date, the machines are very inefficient. Meantime, Thailand has invested on modern machineries and had automated their sugar industry, they could sell their sugar Php 300+/bag with a profit. Try selling ours for Php 700 and you will be scraping the bottom of the bucket. How could you compete when they could produce more and sell cheap per picul with ours?! It is humbling to know that these Thais were even educated in U.P. LB! To top it all, Benedicto negotiated a settlement with the government and got to "clear his name" while keeping several millions for himself and his family. So, if you see his grandchildren in an article written by a fag or featured in a show, please do not get dazzled. Their wealth came from the blood of suggar tillers and planters. The sorry state of the industry was the product of Mr. Benedicto's greed.

Here is another sterling example of Marcos' fecund leadership quality. An enviable quality which we are still reaping to this day. (sarcasm) :patrioticpinoy:

Flipzi wrote:

Padreng Flipzi, try reading Macbeth. I hope you would draw some similarities with Marcos and this character. Absolute power corrupts. A nagging and ambitious wife gives credence to the saying that for every man's downfall is a woman.

Oh, he was very capable from the very beginning. Are you serious?! He was a very dangerous man. He got away with his glib defense in Nalundasan and his tales of heroism in WWII and the Yamashita gold to boot. He was indeed "very capable". I sure hope that anyone who has a knack at public office does not start with this kind of footing. Bad habits are hard to break.


Padre, with all due respect, try to emulate the character and traits of The Man on the cross. He was a public servant par exemplar. :thumb:

I can recall some bits of the comments of Supreme Court Justice Jose Laurel Sr, when he overturned the death penalty of Marcos in the celebrated Nalundasan case. He said and I "quote " It would be a total loss to the Filipino people to let this extra-ordinary brilliant man die in the electric chair as he can be a great leader of the nation someday".

Indeed he was great and added to that he was awfully dangerous.

He was not a big man, but he was manipulatively dangerous.

As i have stressed, and i hope you will set aside your disgust over what he has done to your business or family while he was still in power,...

:thumb:

i tried and the answer is negative 100 :armyroleyes:

Since this is a poll we should try to respect everybody's vote of whom he believes on his own opinion and based on the merits he sees on those listed as a great Filipino for him. Since there were no criteria given on how to judge those listed, we should reserve our comments on another thread. Maybe a thread exclusive for the greatest contributions or accomplishments done by these past leaders and another thread for all the mistakes he or she have done that affected our present lives. I believe seeing the good side and the bad side of those leaders can then be use as a parameter on what legacy they left us.

If is often observed that legacies left by former leaders are only seen when people starts comparing present leaderships. It is also time to listen to other's view, small voices that at times maybe a soiution, unminded but could be helpful. The past that needed to be understand and learned and not to be let to happen again.

So let this poll continue and have those comments on another thread.

Okay friends?

I might have had my differences with you, Padre, but I agree with your post. Well said and written.

Regards

Padre, its not what he has done to me that matters. I have to carry on.

Ask what he has done to the countless mothers who lost their sons, daughters raped, brothers missing and children fatherless or motherless? Ask those marginalized people and what they see worth emulating from this man.

Padre, thanks, the crossroads of our differences was only the issue of his burial but to what he was and what he did, we are on the same downwind direction.

Have a nice day.

Cheers...

Since Ramon Magsaysay is not on the above list, my open ballot is for Dolphy he can amuse people that no president on that list can.

I can understand that.

Nonetheless, try asking what THE LEADERS WHO SUCCEEDED HIM have done to the countless mothers who lost their sons, daughters raped, brothers missing and children fatherless or motherless ALSO? Ask those marginalized people and what they see worth emulating from THESE PEOPLE ALSO?

Forget about what he has done. I know he did not perform well if you will consider his achievements in the latter part of his reign.

Nonetheless, take the hint on how he managed to get the post and imagine how he was able to discipline an unruly citizenry?

That's what i was pointing out.

Emulate the good in him but take his misdeeds as a lesson for you to understand and learn from.

Oo ako din,
Si Marcos, peke medalya
Si Quezon, Sakitin, nagka TB dahil sa pambababae
Si Bonifacio, Komunista
Si Rizal, Hesitant
Si Dolphy, Maraming anak na kukurakot, halo halo na bading at adik na crony
Si FPJ, patay na, Si Rez Cortes sana Executive Secretary natin di si Gen Ermita
Si Cardinal Sin, Namimili ng kakampihan na pulitiko
Si Cory, nagkaleche leche ang AFP sa dami ng binago nya (pagtanggal ng SRDP, NAFP policy bullshit)

Kung si Big Borther sinama nyo, siya iboboto ko, executive secretary niya si UMA, maganda posisyon natin sa OIC nyan!

Flipzi wrote:

Sino? Si Cory? FVR? Erap? GMA? Well, they had the sworn duty to bring this country back to its feet after it was ravaged, sodomized and bled to near death for two decades by Marcos and his cabal. Whether or not the successors from Cory, FVR, Erap and GMA did their job, is up to the public and history to decide. As far as am concerned, their lives are of public knowledge. BUT, and that is a big but, none of them are at par with Marcos' greed and he spared nothing or shall I say, used cruelty, threats, force, deceit and his fecund knowledge to LEAD this country to near oblivion and civil war. For what? To enrich himself, pamper Imelda and his cornies----while the whole nation was grieving and starving.

Oh, Erap was aspiring to be like Marcos with a number of concubines to boot , heck Dovie Beams would blush with envy. :wow: The only problem was, Erap was monumentally stupid. :specool:

I guess we have a fundamental difference. I do not see this country's resurrection dependent on the so called "leader" or "hero" since human beings change. Every Filipino had the unfortunate task of putting this country in order. Not one leader. Marcos appeared to be the innocent flower in the beginning, but was really the serpent underneath. Emulating him or any of his successors or so called “leader”, king pin, presidente or whatever is fatal! If you would recall, the serpent in Genesis was glib and one tough and smart SOB. Well, if only mother Eve knew the meaning of “caveat emptor” in the beginning, heck, we will not be having this debate right now, do we? Eve’s mistake was fatal! The Filipino’s trait of utang na loob and blind admiration has perpetuated the "legacy" of Marcos and "Marcos" wanna be in every city and feifdom. And we never seem to have learned anything. Try observing those clown proclaiming their undying love and faith with their so called "IDOLS" regardless of what the latter has done, and you will have a bunch of frothing dangerous fanatics. Marcos loyalists, FPJ’s die hards, Robin followers or Osama’s parrots should not be surprised if they find out that they have more things in common than differences.

If you were suggesting that we emulate the good traits these so called transient leaders, then consider this. As I have said before, the concept of what is right and wrong never changes and you only have to look at the One Who is staring us in His cross to realize who we should idealize or emulate.


Flipzi wrote further:

“Ang paala-ala ay mabisang gamot sa taong nakakalimot.”

“Ang hindi lumingon sa pinanggalingan hindi makakarating sa paruruonan”


Excuse me, since when did Marcos have the God given right or moral ascendancy to consider public service somewhat like a monarchial reign? Well, if you meant that during that time, he was winding up and was close to naming Imelda as his successor. :thumb:


Further:

Well, Ariel Ureta’s bicycle feat stillcracks me up. Kids today should have their stupid afro or F4 hair cropped nice and snappy!

But seriously, Marcos did not manage to discipline the unruly citizen. You cannot discipline someone whose stomach is empty. No amount of reasoning will ever go through. It is the elementary teaching of Maslow that food is a basic need which you need to satisfy before other needs could be met. He succeeded in suppressing or repressing dissent by threat and force, but he did not alleviate the hunger stalking a lot of Filipinos. E tutukan ka ba naman ng armalite o ipasok ang .45 sa bibig mo o ihampas ang carbin sa tuhud mo, at etc. , tignan natin kung hindi ka hihiga.

And you know what, you can only push and push so much, until something will snap. Pictures this. If you cannot feed your family amply, shelter them from the rain or the elements and neither can you buy them the medicine when they are frigidly sick or catatonic with some malingering ailment, while you watch Imelda splurges and paints the town red in the Philippine Yacht —do you still expect any man to think rationally? Let's be candid here. Heck, you can’t even scare the beezzuz out of them because they have nothing to lose. Kapit sa patalim. Instead of helping these people or aiding them in whatever way, which is his charge and sworn duty, Marcos even resorted to calling them names--- communists etc. Naturally, the NDF took advantage of this and indoctrinated a number of our fellow Filipinos. They were easy preys! As a cosequence, we are still at each other’s neck even to date.


Finally:

What's good about that? Cropping kids hair today is a tempting proposal. The state, in exercise of police power, can crop afro or F4 type of hair styles to prevent the spread of kuto! Ayos! !:thumb:

disciplined and fearful civilians and businessmen, yes.... what about the military, constabulary, and cronies?

they were going crazy, and no one really knew about it coz if you talked, your dead....