Just i order to start discussions.

Armored Vehicles-K-200 family of vehicles. Korean versions of M113 "Gavin", armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles other configurations. Extra armor than regular M-113, resembles standoff armor of AIFv, in service with PA.

*KIFV/K200A1, standard .50claiber machine gun/.7.62caliberGPMG combination.




*Armored Recovery Vehicle-too late but, Philippine modernization outlined plan for acquiring armored recovery vehicles, PA acquired examples from Turkey. but these could be good.


KAFV-25 or 30mm gun. Improved firepower than regular KIFV.





KAFV-90mm gun variant. Great for fire support, bunker buster, replace Scorpions?, or even the army's M-113s equipped with Scorpion's 76mm gun and turret hybrid.



K263A1-KAFV family, but equipped with 20mm Vulcan and radar fire control, essentially a version of the US M163. Can be used as anti-air defense, or on fire support and fire suppression.





-just imagine this thing firing away in jungle hideouts or i convoy duty, firing away at rebels hiding in forested areas, it will cut trees down.

South Korea also produces towed artillery, self propelled howitzers and other anti-aircraft vehicles. South Koreans also produce a variant of the AAVP7/LVT-7, even MLRS platforms. Wont mention those now, not needed at the moment. As for small arms, the K-1 rifle assault rifle, K-2 carbine and K-3 SAW machine gun. When the PA-PMC was looking for SAW, the K-3 was beaten out in favor of the FN-Minimi/M249. As can be seen now, the Minimi deal was a debacle. Alot of Hyundai and Kia vehicles like "jeeps" trucks and "technicals". South Korea also produces and manufactures or even refurbishes ammunition. 20, 30, 40mm ammunition, 90mm gun ammo, Recoiless rifle ammunition 106specially, the sort, some things local philippine defense armories cannot make.

The latest Korean IFV is the NIFV which will inducted into Korea army by 2008:

S. Korea Develops New Amphibious Armored Vehicle
By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE, SEOUL

South Korean defense researchers said May 17 they had developed an amphibious armored vehicle equipped with guided missiles and a laser warning system.

The 12-seat vehicle also carries a “friend or foe” identification system and ultraviolet sensors, the state-run Agency for Defense Development (ADD) said.

It would become the mainstay of South Korea’s infantry corps.

The agency hopes to export the vehicle, called NIFV (Next Infantry Fighting Vehicle), claiming it would be cheaper and lighter than its U.S. and Russian counterparts.

“It is competitive in the global armored vehicle market,” ADD researcher Choi Chang-Kon told reporters.

He described the NIFV as “the world’s best-capability armored vehicle.” The NIFV weighs 25 tons and costs $2.5 million, while the US M2 Bradley weighs 33 tons and costs $4.5 million, he said.

It is armed with a 40-millimeter gun, a 7.62-millimetre machine gun, anti-tank and anti-helicopter missiles, he said.

The NIFV can move at a maximum speed of 70 kilometers (42 miles) an hour on a paved road and six kilometers in water, Choi said.

He said three NIFVs would be delivered Thursday for a test run. The South Korean army plans to deploy 900 NIFVs from 2008.
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Here is a summary of specification that I have gathered so far:

NIFV
Specification:
Crew : 3 + 9
Combat Weight : 25tons
Length : 6.9m
Width : 3.4m
Height : 2.6m
Power to weight ratio : Unknown
Ground Pressure : Unknown
Road Speed : Max 70km/h
X-country Speed : 40km/h
Swimming Speed : Max 6km/h

It's about time we look into buidling a warmer relationship with South Korea.

Most of our gunboats and even the newer F5 A/Bs were purchased from South Korea.

Korea and the Philippines really have a strong bond because of the Korean War.

I believe we can ask Korea to help us enhance our capabilities further.

These assets are what we need to handle the threat in Mindanao, BTW.




as bunker blasters



for fire support and fire suppression, it can even be used to riddle trucks or vehicles that the enemy may try to fabricate for military purpose

That's their R & D. They make what they think is needed. That's what we should have been doing. :armycry:

Exactly!

Well, at least the Air Force is doing their part! Their attack versions of the S211 and SF260 is one.

The Navy has shown their ingenuity lately, with their automated .50 cal. gun.

The Army's Mechanized Division seems to be not doing well. Dont you think so? :armyroleyes:

BTW, all of the 3 branches should DO MORE.

If the Koreans were able to modify their AIFV to their needed specs, then why CANT THEY?

If the Korean Navy was able to manufacture their PKMs, then why DONT THEY?

The money issue is not an excuse.

It all boils down to their management capability. :exactly:

I posted this picture before. Seems this AIFV is very much "shot up".

Attrition, the age and usage i guess. Pockmarked with bullet holes and the sort you find with a combat veteran. Veterans seem to be different than the spit and shine photos on parades.

old pic

Those KIFV and KAFV variants would be ideal for tracked series of vehicles. Malaysia bought 110+ KIFVs in the past.

At the old opus forum I had been advocating about the use of the old vulcan guns from the F-8's to be installed either to the M113's or the Simba's or the V-150's. :dunno:

What about upgrading our M-113s and AIFVs into KIFV or KAFV standards. Just the basics only, Engine, Transmission, steering, braking systems and then the armor. Foreign companies from Turkey, Israel and Germany has kits for this sort of upgrades, the South Koreans could do the same.

Problems arise when the engine comes, current US-supplied examples in PA service has the US-made engines, the KIFV series has German engines. So if the PA does it, it needs to do it to the whole fleet, which is nearly 150+ vehicles.

Or we can just do the modifications to our Simbas which are soon to be rolled out fresh from their Subic facility.

F8's Gatling on Simbas? Perfect!!!!! :specool:

If we can get 10 or 20 of the KAFV wit its German engines intack, i dont believe that it will pose a problem with our current fleet that uses US engines.

We will be forced to import US engine parts from the US anyway if in case our current fleet's engines will require so. So what's the big difference in importing German parts?

The "cannibalization of parts from a vehicle to fix another" issue wont be reason enough to shelve the idea of buying the KAFVs.

It may have an impact but it will not be that discouraging.

Unless, there are other issues that we need to know about. :dunno: