Anything new about the much-vaunted Light Reaction Company?

They are being upgraded to become LRB (light reaction battalion)

Better a fully-equipped, rapidly-transportable, preferably airmobile LRC than an ill-equipped, slow-moving LRB.

I think that is not the purpose, they will still operate at company strength, the only difference is that there will be 3 LRCs under the 1st LRB which will be assigned different tasks in different areas. I won't be surprised if they grew to regimental size in 5 years.

3 LRCs will require more money and resources, I think the Philippines is already awashed with special purpose units, why not retain it at current strength and make it a small force with a very strong and lightning-fast wallop.

I concur pare, the equipment is US aid but the consumables are paid by the AFP. They may not have the budget to maintain it.

I believe this setup, which is the upgrading of the LRC into a battalion will only ruin the effectiveness of the entire AFP org.

Instead of working together for a specific purpose, these units will now compete with each other to capture the distinction of being the best.

Time will come when the SRs and SFs will compete with these battalion-sized LRCs.

Plus the fact that the operating cost for this "independent" battalion-sized team will again be a big concern.

CREATING A COMPETITION AMONG THE SPEC OPS TEAM IS A GOOD STRATEGY IN RUINING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE ENTIRE SPECIAL OPS COMMAND.

If SOCOM turns in disarray, then expect the insurgency problem to worsen.

:agree:
there will be competition among the special operations units, not only in materiel but also in assignments which will be detrimental to everybody.

transforming the LRC into LRB will drain resources from other units because the LRC is supposed to be the creme de la creme of special ops units so the military will try to make the unit as up to date as possible, relegating the SRs and SFs to second rate status which will not be taken lightly by these units

Maybe it is not the case,

First the SR and SF is regimental size while the LRC is company size only, if transformed into LRB it will just transform into three LRC companies to become a battalion (or maybe a reinforced battalion).

Second, SR, SF and LRC/LRB will always have different functions, SR for jungle warfare, raids and ambushes, SF for in terrain counter guerilla ops and LRC/LRB for counter terrorism.

Third, Increasing LRC to LRB will not render SR & SF to second rate status. But if LRB will be delegated to SR & SF tasks, then that's another story. That's like shooting yourself in the foot.

good competition builds cooperation among the units.. likewise competition without cooperation will be catasthropic..and combination of competition and cooperation will make an military organization such as AFP truly professional.

There's a great chance that the SR and SF and even SWAG will be underutilized when the LRC is transformed into a bigger group.

Economy is a big factor here.

How can they be assured that their requirements will be provided?

They've got high tech gears and a sustained advancement in skills training is also a big concern for these units.

Nonetheless, forming 3 LRCs into Battalion may not be bad at all as long as they will not be competing with other Spec Ops units.

All Spec Ops groups must have their own specific missions.

Competition is only good for business entities .... and it's the opposite for military units.

The LRC should complement the operations of a larger group like that of the SR or SF to strengthen or multiply the effectiveness of the Spec Ops teams.


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I just can't see the wisdom in that.

1. The LRC is the most expensive unit in the AFP inventory, on consumable batteries alone, an LRC unit budget is the same as any other PA company yet these consumable items can eat as much as 50% of their operating budget. We are going to organize units that's going to live off the land?

2. LRC is good in MOUT and FIBUA and its variants in rural setting but jungle warfare, LRRP, raids, ambushes, long tab operations, indigenous area defense, local anti-guerilla warfare organization, waterborne operations and riverine infantry tactics. That's a tall order for the LRC as the SWAG, SR & SF is currently doing that.

3. The SF, SR and SWAG has been good at maintaining the budget and the mission they carry. Their combat yield to cost ratio is one of the best the AFP has. Why on earth kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

Are we still capable of maintaining/sustaining the budget requirement for the LRC? AFAIK, the Americans provided the equipment only but not the operating and maintenance expenses.

di na siguro---once the equipment breaksdown, the afp no longer have funds to replace or buy spareparts for the hightech eqpt like the nvgs, radios, optical sights, etc... :nono:

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With regard to the concern on forming the LRC into LRB, i share the same view with ColdDeadFish.

It will be good for the LRC considering the benefits of a stronger and much operationally sound structure.

As long the LRC's usual tasks (or whatever will become usual) do not overlap with that of the SRs and SFs and SWAGs, then it shall be an excellent move to further enhance its operational structure.

The LRC's working in tandem with the differenty Army Spec Ops units will greatly boosts their combined effectiveness.

That shall give the terrorists not just a headache but their worst nightmare as well!

:armycheers:

:agree: parang Oath of a Ranger ... the guerrilla's worst nightmare come true..

There's one element that is either missing or not guaranteed.

Timely air support.

Providing the Spec Ops with the needed night-flying transport choppers AND an attack chopper to provide cover in times when these troops get pinned down or if the enemy's defense setup is too great.

Upgraded UH-1H and Super Cobras are the best choice for the RP's Spec Ops, considering economy and performance.

:mademyd:

I think that every ID only needs one LRC specializing in MOUT and counter terrorism. Turning it into a batallion would serve no purpose since they will not be deployed together anyways. We already have too many SOGs. SF, SR and SWAG. If we add more, to the list, masyado na malaki ang gasto for training and logistics. And mawawala na ang pagka 'Special'. Kung gusto nila marami edi gawin nlang nilang Spec Ops lahat ng troops natin! Nasa Sun Tzu's Art of War ang when to use extraordinary and normal forces. Dapat meron tayong elite, pero meron rin dapat regular forces dahil they serve different purposes. I think that the ratio of SOGs to regular forces should be no more than 1:3 or 1/4 lang ng mga tropa natin ang SOG.

Just my 0.02 centavos...

That's a critical factor coz of the financial issue.

There's even an observation that they are beginning to compete with each other.

Competing for what, resources or bragging rights?
Competition among special ops units in the field against the gooks ( I got the term here :armygrin: ) is good for ops effectiveness and bad for the enemy.

To some extent, it does improve, though not that much, the effectiveness of the troops.

In the long run and in a broader sense, in defeats cooperation.

and yes, as you also mentioned, .... concern on money. :armycheers:

Nonetheless, if we can contain the negative effects of having that setup (more Spec Ops, doing the same task),....... then fine.

RIFLE-READY: A member of the Light Reaction Battalion, a US-trained counter-terrorism unit, checks out his special sniper rifle in his group’s headquarters at Fort Magsaysay in Palayan City, Nueva Ecija. Photo By VAL RODRIGUEZ

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/index20060403.htm

LRB guys with G36 rifles..sana lahat Army G36 na :demon:

Same thoughts here... If not kahit Tavor na lang standard ng regular troops... Special Ops, yung commando version ng G36.

So, why the G36?

Why the G36 in the first place?

LRB? I think these men in black are part of the PSG (check the outline of the patch on their left shoulders)

Either way they are well equipped.

They're sporting the MICH helmet instead of the standard "K-pot" helmet

Some are wearing MBAV vests (an off-shoot of the US' SPEAR-BALCS)and armed with G36K rifles! (or maybe a very close-looking copy)

Check out also the weapon held by the SAF trooper near the top-left corner of the photo.

Silenced Barrett?

because its made by H&K and H&K guns are very well-made

and its better than the M16A1 :banana:

I think you're right, this pic was taken during the 109th PSG Anniversary. So spectre, do you think these guys are the PSG's best?

Or they could also be LRB assigned to PSG.

Guys, u dun mind me saying this. It seems like the first three troopers from the right, their helmets are too small for them. For a PASGT Kelvar helemt to offer maximum protection to the wearer, the side must be low enough to shield the entire ears. This is to protect the wearer from ballistics fragments. I presume they are wearing the M-size ones, when they should have been wearing the L-size ones.......

The smaller helmets are actually based on the new combat helmets being used by US Forces. The seemingly smaller-sized fritzes were designed for reduced weight. This new helmet is also known for the new 4-point chin strap as seen in these troops on parade.

These LRB/PSG/PNP SAF shooters are also wearing BDAs based on US Army ACUs whose collar can be buttoned up to form a "Chinese" collar.

As for their G36Ks and G36c, it's a known fact that the US SOF community has a liking for H&K weapons like MP5s and Mark 23 SOCOM offensive handguns. G36es were not preferred because they don't have the button that cocks the rifle at one press the M4s and M16s have. One new rile that is to their liking is the new H&K416 which are m4s with a gas piston and a recoil buffering system. US SOF units assigned to US PACCOM have decided to upgrade their M4s by buying 416 upper receivers as their superiors refuse to allow them to ditch their M4s and M16s in favor purchasing newer carbines and rifles

Could be RSU of PSG... Heard from a freind of mine [who was assigned to PSG, he is PNP - SAF] that PSG's Spec Ops Unit is called something like RSU or SRU [Special Response Unit?]

To my understanding the new Special Operations Forces individual weapon of the USSOCOM was resolved. Di yata nanalo ang HK416 parang nanalo ang FN SCAR. Kung di ako nagkakamali predeployment phase na ang bagong weapon system. Hinihintay ko na nga lang kung nao magiging official designation nya.

FN SCAR

Maybe its the other way around. HK-416 is already been operational by Delta elite and Navy Seals.

SOURCE:
http://www.vickerstactical.com/about/HK416.htm

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http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/02/atCarbine070219/

Norwegian ARmy choose HK-416 as their New Assault rifle.

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http://www.hkd-usa.com/HKWebNews/byItemID///13//3/1

Cheeers :armycheers:

There is no doubt that the USSOCOM purchased and deployed the H&K 416 that is not debatable. But in the competitions to adopt the "SCAR" desgination the HK design did not cut it. The requirements were expanded to adopt a rifle which has the same profiles and at minimum can be adapted to two (2) calibers with part changes to less than 25% of its moving parts and 0% alteration on its facade. HK did not qualify in the second round of adoption trials.

so HK416 will remain as HK416. It is in SOCOM inventory but it will be phased out by the FN SCAR.

Don't get me wrong there are things i like about the SCAR and the HK, but the bolted barrel of the SCAR turns me off. The HK 416 is better and could be much better and accurate if they built it with a zero tension short stroke piston

Well that is possible too. Before the "rightsizing" of SOCOM the SFR(A)'s 32nd SFC was OPCON to the PSG

Well, Hk-416 future looks promising as Norwegian Army already place an order. It will catch the attention of other countries who wants to replace their old Battle rifle.

I would like to take this opportunity to ask, Why we have the Luxury of purchasing different types of Assault rifle specially AFP elite Unit,
instead on choosing ONE kind of Modern Assault rifle and standardized it as an issue to all regular infantry and Elite unit.??

Di ba sayang yung pera or budget if we are always buying different types of assault rifle everytime a new model come ?? Why not focus on choosing the best one and make that choosen Assault rifle a standard issue to all AFP units.?

Cheers :armycheers:

Dapat mo tanungin ang wise guy who made it happen.I can think of a few persons who made the procurement process rolling. We are as baffled as you are.

Baka karamihan donations :dunno:

Either they are trying out different guns, so in the modernization of the AFP [when it comes true] they will buy one that is the most user friendly and comfortable sa troops natin and best performance in combat conditions.

Either than that or gusto lang maiba ng ibang units... Dibali kung lahat ng Rangers naka Steyr AUG or Gallil at LRB & SFs naka M.4.

Its better to have just one rifle as standard, for SOCOM and for the rest of the AFP. Shorter version na silenced sa SOCOM...