UPDATED EDIT: THIS POSTER HAS SINCE IMMIGRATED TO CANADA AS A LANDED IMMIGRANT/PERMANENT RESIDENT (ENTERED AND SETTLED 2006) AND IS NO LONGER INTERESTED IN THE PHILIPPINE MARINES.

This thread will remain as a discussion board regarding all inquiries surrounding the Philippine Marines' NOQC.

PDFF Mod Staff, August 23, 2009.



Mayroon ba mga grads ng NOQC and the PMC Marine basic course dito? I just have some questions for you about its content if it's okay...

Karangalan, Katungkulan at Kabayanihan...

Semper Fi Do or Die! :rifle:

Very hard for you to extract info here - the guys are very observant about OPSEC/PERSEC matters.

Please don't use that as an excuse- it's just training- nothing classified.

Why doesn't any one answer this question? It's just training and nothing classified. I don't think OPSEC would be threatened by this question.

It's bad enough that I'm here in the US and they won't let me enlist. And here I am asking a question and my own native people won't help me! :headbang:

Check the Philippine Navy website or the Philippine Marine Corps Website. :snipemo:

I'm sorry, but I've already checked both sites and they're not specific enough on questions that I need to get answered.

men, ayaw kang tanggapin ng US military? ikaw na din nagsabi, so baka may problem ka- the US wont accept you, tapos dami mo sinusulat at tinatanong sa Philippine military pero wala ka pala sa pinas, men maybe checking with the shrink dyan will answer your questions, sana..........................

Black Magik

Dapat mo maintindihan na hindi ako pwedeng mag-enlist dito kasi HINDI AKO US CITIZEN O GREEN CARD HOLDER! THEY ONLY TAKE US CITIZENS OR GREEN CARD HOLDERS! They don't take Filipino non-green card holders anymore for recruitment because our Defense Treaty with them ended in 1992 when Subic and Clark closed. And the current VFA doesn't include allowing Filipino citizens to enlist in the US military.

Believe me I have tried and tried and tried and THE ONLY THING THE US RECRUITERS CARE ABOUT IS WHETHER YOU HAVE A GREEN CARD. When you hear about success stories of Fil-Ams in the US military it's because they are US citizens!

I am only on a TEMPORARY WORK VISA (H-1B OPT), which is given to all international students who graduate from college here (I was previously on a student VISA for the last 6 years, including some high school) I am not going to wait and BE OBSSESSED WITH GETTING A GREEN CARD like most Pinoys I meet here- it takes years and years and there's so much red tape and no employer wants to sponsor you to renew your work permit COZ they're so damn XENOPHOBIC (No offence to any Fil-Ams here!) That's why I am considering going home.

Gusto ko lang maging sundalo!


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MSantor,

Bu dui. Although the acceptance of Filipinos ended with the closure of the bases, the Mutual Defense Treaty remained. Bases agreement and the mutual defense treaty are related, but are not one and the same. The absence of bases made the US disinterested in aggressively pursuing close military relations -- but the Philippines and US remained official allies.

The VFA simply provides a framework with which to flesh out the spirit of the treaty.

[/QUOTE]MSantor
Gusto ko lang maging sundalo!

Bro Magisip kang mabuti! Matagal ka na pala sa US, kung nakikita mo yun mga military equiptments ng kano hindi mo yan makikita as AFP. Pero kung hindi ka mapigil e di uwi ka na and join! :thumb:
Kung gusto mo naman mag join sa US armed forces e di mag-asawa ka na para ma-legal ka!

Alam ko na walang talo sa US, pero sobrang tagal ang hintay kung hahabulin ko na lang yung work-sponsored green card. Kahit na kung marriage- sobrang suspicious naman yung USCIS (formerly INS) of any marriage for a green card. At pagkatapos, by the time I'm eligible and have that work-sponsored greencard (mga ten to fourteen years from now) magiging enlisted man lang ako- e di sayang na yung edukasyon ko! As I said, only US citizens can become officers, while green card holders can only be enlisted men and cannot hold a security clearance for MOS/jobs like intel! Green card holders with college degrees can become only E-4 in the Army, USAF and Navy, and only E-2 in the Marine Corps. I guess being a US Army Corporal in command of single Abrams tank isn't bad at all, but the current war on terror will be over by then, unless Kim Jong Il acts up.

Kung military ang gustong kong career, then I should try to become an officer, since I have BA- the AFP is the only place where I can become an officer. Besides I think they could use another Mandarin speaker who is not a Chinoy (no offense to any Xavier people in this forum)

Anyways, I am also considering stay here, since my OPT ends next July.

Men kung officer lang talaga pangarap mo at di pag silbi sa bayan delikado yan! bokasyon ang pagiging sundalo, sabi nila. bokasyon un lang di ko alam kung saan...


mandarin speaker ka pala- men, binubuking mo sarili mo nyan! nalalaman ng marami ano ang pakay mo at attributes mo; common sense men, dapat low profile ka lang.

officer? sus glamor and glory lang yan men! nasa magandang lugar ka na, sayang naman! kahit ata enlisted man jan malaki pa kikitahin sa opisyal sa AFP, maliban na lang siguro kung mangungnurakot siya.

Sinabi ko na ba- more lectures na naman on "how you think it's better here than there". Kaya palang mayroon brain drain kasing maraming ganyan attitude sa Pinas-
...and of couse the "Crabby attitude of the Pinoy"... that's why we'll never progress as a nation because we keep pulling each other down! SAWA NA AKO SA GANYANG HAYOP!

And so what if someone wants glory?! The thirst for glory is what makes life worth living! PAGKAIN AT STANDARD OF LIVING LANG YUNG INISIP MO! NAPAKA NARROW MINDED NAMAN- LOOK AT HONG KONG, TAIWAN and the other Asian Tigers- you only have to go next door to find a similar standard of living! IF OTHER ASIANS CAN DO IT, SO CAN WE! And we can only achieve prosperity if we have stability-by getting rid of the NPA, Islamic fundamentalists and others that prevent our nation from being strong (among a host of other problems like corruption) that's where the military comes in.

You think America is such a better place? Huh- it seems you've never been to the US! You've haven't seen the sprawling neighborhoods of South Central LA, Compton, you haven't had DAMN white trash doing WEED in your college dorm and doing it without giving a s@#t if you minded...AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD A US RECRUITING SERGEANT SAY IN YOUR FACE "GO HOME YOU DAMN FLIP!" .

The world's greatest country can't even provide for all its own citizens as well, because of Bush's damn "ownership" society, tax cuts that favor the rich and XENOPHOBIC Republicans with their damn stricter immigration laws and so on- If America's so great why are there are dilapidated public schools just five miles from the US Capitol building?! The locals I respect the most here are liberals like Michael Moore but they are fighting a losing battle against ignorance, xenophobia and a hedonistic greed that keeps the weak and the poor at the bottom of society. That's why I'm considering going home!

Sorry, Moderators but I had to speak my mind. Now is anyone going to answer my NOQC question? :btt:

Delikado yan men- glory hound! Tapos eradicate exterminate mga 'kalaban" ng bayan? asus, men di lang dahas at bala ang sagot jan s mga problema ng bayan. mahirap yan, tipong UTAK PULBURANG naghahanap ng kadakilaan ang kalalabasan mo nyan- magiging HR violator ka nyan men, tsk, tsk!

Oo naman, bakit ako pupunta sa amerika eh mas may magagawa ako para sa bayan ko dito- hindi sa pagpipilit magaral ng mga bagay bagay na di angkop sa bayan ko jan at magpumilit maging sundalo jan sa ibang bansa at tapos pag na reject, uuwi sa pinas at anuano ang sasabihin maging opisyal lang ng militar.


o, ikaw na nagsabi na pinauuwi ka ng kano- para bang "get a life' ang sinabi sa iyo. use yung talents mo, eto nga, writing at imagining! malay mo baka ikaw ang maging pinoy tom clancy!!!


o di nakita mo na wala pala jan hinahanap mo- idealist ka kasi masyado men, mali yan; sabi sa iyo patingin ka muna sa psychologist. marami kang angst pre'!

kaya walang sumasagot sa iyo eh mas maganda nga kasi gamitin mo yang writing skills mo; malay mo, makagawa kang magandang nobela ng training as an opiser sa AFP tapos napadala sa gera at nafrustrate, umuwi sa bahay, naisipang mag amerika ulit at nagsulat, tapos nakajackpot sa sinusulat nya! bingo, rich and famous ka na! may glory ka na na hinahanap mo! but gawin mo muna yun sa nobela at tignan natina gn feedback kung bebenta ha! ako garantisado bibili ako nung isusulat mong iyon at ipagsisigawan ko pang bilhin ng madla pre', maniwala ka!

Black Magik,

Ay naku...

Ano ka ba? Pakita ng Shrink???? Sinasabi mo ba na siraulo ako? Frustrated maybe, pero hindi siraulo!

Sige, tapos na usapan- sinabi ko na hindi pa ako babalik- hindi pa naman expired yung work visa ko...

Pero wala bang sasagot sa NOQC tanong ko?

:btt: :btt: :btt:

[QUOTE] MSantor
AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD A US RECRUITING SERGEANT SAY IN YOUR FACE "GO HOME YOU DAMN FLIP!"

Baka naman kinu-kulit mo yun recruiter? I have spoken to a marine and an army recruiter, magagalang sila at bolero pa! kailangan lang dahil kailangan nilang maka quota. Pero kung ganun ang inabot mo may dahilan yun sarhento kung bat ka nasigawan.

Have you actually try to enlist in the US military. If you did, the recruiter that you talk to is not that good then. There are people who got accepted in the US military with just a working visa.

Groundpounder,

I have tried. What you said:

"There are people who got accepted in the US military with just a working visa" is not true.

Here is a post from the Military.com, Recruiting for Non-Citizens thread. It is from SSG Rivera.

If you have a vaild I551 Card, (Resident/"Green" Card) yes you can Join the ARMY.

If you have a Work Permit, NO you cannot Join the ARMY.

AR 601-210

2–4. Citizenship
a. Applicant is eligible for enlistment if any of the following apply:
(1) Citizen of the United States.
(2) Alien who has been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence.
(3) National of the United States.
(4) Citizens (to include naturalized citizens) of the Federated States of Micronesia (FSM), Palau and the Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI).
(5) Applicants and enlistees will be advised that if they are not a U.S. Citizen, U.S. National, or a citizen of the Federal States of
Micronesia, Palau or the Republic of the Marshall Islands that they must obtain citizenship (U.S.) in order to remain in the U.S. Army for more than (RA) 8 years or (USAR) completion of their MSO. Applicants will acknowledge being informed of this policy by completing the statement on UF 1150. If USAR they will acknowledge being informed of the policy by completing UF 1150 or signing a statement in the remarks section of the DD Form 1966/3.
b. Documents and procedures to verify eligibility: (Return all documents to applicant after proper citizenship entries are made on the DD Form 1966 series.
(1) U.S. citizens. Applicants must present birth certificate, naturalization certificate, U.S. passport, or DD Form 372 to verify date and place of birth and establish U.s. citizenship. In doubtful cases, forward documents from INS to the Commander, USAREC, ATTN: RCRO-PP, Fort Knox, KY. Enlistment eligibility will be established on a case-by-case basis.
(2) Aliens. Applicants must present their INS I-551 issued by the INS showing that the person has been admitted to the United States for permanent residence. (I-551 cards are valid for only 10 years and must be renewed. Further all I-151 cards are no longer valid and applicant must obtain I-551. No resident Alien card that does not contain the picture of the applicant is valid for any reason).
(3) Nationals of the United States. A native of American Samoa is issued a birth certificate, which indicates the village of birth followed by the words, "American Samoa." (Citizens of American Samoa, are U.s. nationals.)
(4) Proof of birth of U.S. citizens born abroad. Children born of an American parent outside the United States acquire citizenship through the parent. Citizenship verification of persons born abroad of an American parent will be made by presentation of a certified copy of one of the following:
(a) DS Form 1350.
(b) INS Form N-560.
© FS Form 545.
(d) FS Form 240.
(e) U.S. passport unaltered and originally issued for 5 or more years to the applicant.
(f) Naturalization Certificate.
(g) Document or letter issued by the Justice Department or Department of State (must be original or certified).

I hope this clears some misconceptions.

O KITAMS?!?!?! di na ako nag sabi nyan ha?? baka nga nakulitan sa iyo 'tol

men, gabuhok na lang ang magtutulak sa iyo kung ganung ka frustrated 'tol! konti na lang baka bumigay ka na...makulit ka, frustrated ka pa, malikot pa isip mo. DELIKADONG KUMBINASYON YAN!!!

tapos wala pang sumasagot sa iyo! buti buti nga pinapansin ka eh! yung mga nobela mo YUN ang napapansin at napupuri!

ika nga, "read the signs " men!!!! tapos nangangarap kang magopisyal sa navy o marines sa pinas? asus, purbida ka man gid!!!!!!!!!

Black Magik!

Will you give it a rest?!! I get your point!

Geez, I just want a simple answer to my question! How do things can get so out of hand!

:btt:

Go ahead and discourage me. :whogives:

Well if you want discouragement, check these:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5114929/ Picture stories, War after the War
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2229
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2398

Those are some of the realities. But if you're really up to it there's nothing wrong serving and dying for one's country. By the way, which country are you really willing to serve?

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2452&st=0&#last

Men di naman ikaw nagsabi nito eh...

So saan ka ba pwede maging difference? pinoy na tom clancy- kakaiba yun! eh ordinaryong opisyal sa afp na maraming frustrations, makulit at malikot ang isiP? bale wala yun, maliban na lang kung sa kalikutan ng isip mo mag ala rambo ka sa chinese embassy sa manila at lusubin yun with a huey na hinijack mo sa villamor tapos mong ipakita na opisyal ka ng afp, AYUN! making a difference ka!

kita mo wala pa ding sumasagot sa tanong mo- di ka kasi sinisiryoso ng mga tao dito- di tulad yung sinusulat mong nobela, ayan , pinapansin at dinidibdib ng mga nakakbasa- tulad ko!

ang iyong masugid na tagahanga,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Black Magik,

hehehe...

[QUOTE Black Magik ]"mag ala rambo ka sa chinese embassy sa manila at lusubin yun with a huey na hinijack mo sa villamor tapos mong ipakita na opisyal ka ng afp, AYUN! making a difference ka!"[/QUOTE]

At akala ko na mas malikot yung imaginasyon ko sa inyo...

anyways, di naman pa ako babalik habang mayroon ba akong work visa...itutuloy ko naman yung sinusulat ko...

sabi sa iyo hinahangaan ko gawa mo eh! nahahawa tuloy ako sa kalikutan ng utak mo.

sana wag ako mahawa sa mga frustration, angst, at kakilitan mo men!

why not join the Légion Étrangère. :drunk:

ARVCab,

I'm not THAT desperate yet.

Still, makes one wonder why America doesn't have its own Foreign Legion.

Max Boot made the same suggestion in his article "Uncle Sam Wants Tu"

http://www3.cfr.org/pub7861/max_boot/uncle_sam_wants_tu.php

(For those of you who don't speak Spanish, "tu" means you)

wag naman nating sisihin si msantor marami talaga sa US na mga racist siguro yun ang natapatan nya, pero mababait naman yung iba... ..tsaka mas maganda talaga ang paglilinkod sa sariling bayan :patrioticpinoy:

My sentiments are with you, MSantor. I also had an interest in NOQC, did not asked for any favors from cousins and uncles in the service for help but I sure did wasted a lot of energy and time while I was at it. In the long run, I got fed up and told myself finally, naaaah...I already have an M.A. and a good job at that time. Why waste that for a childhood dream that just wont die? I eventually ended up joining the Army reserves and still enjoyed the benefits my job and being with my family most of the time. Don't worry, you'll get over it in due time. If not, then go ahead and take the risk of leaving everything there and apply here.
Kung talagang para sa bayan, wag paawat hangga't may malasakit ka pa...

BTT,

Anyone here actually went through NOQC? If you did, could you provide details on what is covered on the year long training? Like, how long is the 'boot camp' type of training, when do you guys start to go easy, how often are weekend passes, breaks, etc.

Thanks.

if you are really interested in joining, do the following:

1. check your age; you could be under age by now
2. go home
3. upon landing, cut your hair, or better word shave your hair,
4. jog every day, to be fit
5. after 30 days, if you can jog an at least 30 kms and you can still do 150 push-ups after such
6. visit & inquire at fort bonifacio



then go back in this thread and ask your questions :closed:

ano yung tanong mo? baka kaya kong sagutin.

good morning sirs,

do you want to join , the few and the proud ?

the Marine Corps needs volunteers , specially the Officer Corps

the Corps will conduct its pioneer class for Marine Officer Candidate Course

Initial requirement are as follows:
1) at least 5'6" in height
2) Degree holder (pls bring diploma / TR)
3) 18 to 25 yrs old
4) good moral character
5) Physically / Mentally fit
6) a VOLUNTEER

drop by the Office of the Marine Corps Staff for Personnel, MC1 at Marine Barracks Manila, Ft Bonifacio , Taguig City for inquiries.

the marines have a higher height requirement than the army?

why is it so?

Why is it so?

Because the Marines want to stand taller than the rest of the AFP :fire:

Sir, is the MOCC similar to the Army's OCC where advance ROTC is not required? How long is the course duration? Do applicants need to become a Navy officer first before taking MOCC or can they apply directly from a civilian status? Thanks.

sir ian,

to my knowledge, MOCC is open to civilians, it is the same as Army OCC. During the 90's when there was still an AFP training command, this was a source of army, navy, air force officers combined. But when the TRACOM was deactivated, the Officer Candidate School (OCS) was decentralized to the Major Services.

The three services already have their own OCCs. The Marines requested a class of MOCC and not NOCC to get additional officers to their lines. At present almost half of the class is already processing. Mostly, are young PFCs , Cpls who are College degree holders already. (yes, they enlisted even if they are college graduates, just to serve the Corps).

Advance ROTC is not required . Course duration - more or less 12 months . . .

Hope to see you soon . . . . .

Sir,

Eto na po ba ang pinalit sa MBOC?

sir recondo,

Nope this is not a replacement for MBOC.

MOCC is a pre-entry course while MBOC / MOBC is already a basic career course. MBOC is not a source of commissionship but rather a prereq course for ALL Marine Lts.

Before, there used to be MOOC - Marine Officer Orientation Course - for BUGs and OCIANS and MBOC for MS 43 , Charlies, Mustangs etc.

However, the Corps decided that there should only be 1 Basic Officer Course for all Marines irregardless of where or what school they came from. This is to develop the camaraderie between the 2lts be they be regulars or reserve.

will you be joining sir ? ? we accept volunteers . . .

see you

Roger Sir, Kala ko napalitan na ang MBOC/MOBC. I missed a lot of things about our beloved Corps.

Recondo
MOBC 19

mobc 19 ? malate / salon etc is 18 ? ? . . . . hmmm . . . .