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Duminus - July 15, 2004 01:49 AM (GMT)


Pakistan To Receive Swedish ERIEYE AEW&C System And SAAB Aircrafts

July 14, 2004: Pakistan has taken a big leap to strengthen its fast depleting air power by securing a nod from Sweden to sell Islamabad an Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AEW&CS), informed sources said. This state-of-the-art system will also augment Pakistan Navys existing potential for maritime and tactical surveillance, the sources added. Close to final approval is Pakistans decision to acquire 14 SAAB 2000 aircraft from Sweden. Seven of these aircraft will be dedicated for the PAFs AEW&CS while the remaining seven will be acquired by the PIA to replace its fleet of Fokker aircraft, which have already been grounded, the sources said.

Several Fokker-related incidents, including the last years crash that killed the then chief of air staff, air marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, and 17 other PAF officials, the PIA had decided last year to sell its fleet of 11 aircraft and replace them with compatible ones. The seven SAAB 2000 that will replace the ageing Fokkers on the PIAs heavily subsidized socio-economic routes will help the airline save about Rs 200 million on the subsidized routes that cost the PIA about Rs 400 million every year. Because of the composite nature of the deal, the PIA would pay only $45 million for the seven SAAB aircraft as against the $98 million for the French ATR and $91 million for the American Dash-8 that will cost about $98 million. For its part the Swedish government has provided a guarantee for the smooth supply of SAAB spare parts as long as the aircraft is flown anywhere in the world, the PIA sources confirmed. Six hundred of such planes are being flown all over the world.

The SAAB aircraft for the PAF will be equipped with ERIEYE AEW&C system which can manage airborne early warning; intercept communication; airspace management; surveillance and control borders; detect illegal shipment of weapons and drugs; and coordinate search and rescue operations. It will be two years before the PAF receives its first AEW&C system. The deal would cost Pakistan about $1.7 billion (approximately Rs 90 billion) during the next five years, and it will constitute the biggest defence purchase by the Musharraf administration. During his recently concluded visit to Sweden, President Pervez Musharraf is understood to have held extensive discussions with the Swedish leadership on Pakistans interest in the AEW&CS, sources familiar with the discussions in Sweden said.

Sweden had earlier turned down Pakistans requests on the reasons ranging from democracy to child labour. Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Saadat Kaleem will be visiting Sweden to further negotiate the deal later this month. The sources said the AEW&CS would not only help Pakistan to counter-balance the Indian acquisition of the Israeli Phalcon airborne surveillance system, it will boast the Pakistan Air Forces and the Navys reaction capabilities by providing early and specific warnings. In the Rs 7.6 trillion defence budget announced this week, the Indian government has earmarked the largest sum for countrys air force by committing to buy new combat aircraft, airborne warning and control systems and missiles during the current year.

"The AEW&CS from Sweden, F-7 from China, upgraded Mirages from France and fresh supplies of Mirage spare parts from Libya would help the PAF meet the air challenge from our arch rival," commented a retired PAF air marshal. Pakistan had first shown interest in the purchase of AWE&CS from Sweden in 1995 when the then Pakistani prime minister, Benazir Bhutto, had visited Stockholm and had requested the then Swedish premier, Olf Palme, to approve the sale. "For nine years we have tried to secure these aircraft from SAAB/Erricson," said an official source.

While the PAF made a determined effort to induct the SAAB AEW&CS into its fleet, but in its process to replace the Fokkers, the PIA tested the SAAB 2000, fitted with engine from Allison/Rolls Royce ATR and Dash-8 fitted with engines from Pratt and Whitney. With the PAFs deal for SAAB-based AEW&C almost complete, it is now almost certain that the PIA would approve a strong internal recommendation for the SAAB 2000. "It makes more sense because the SAAB will be setting facility for the maintenance of the PAFs SAAB 2000 in the country," said an official. "Its much feasible, both financially as well as technically, to have a combined maintenance facility for the PAFs and the PIAs SAAB fleet."

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Switik - July 16, 2004 02:22 AM (GMT)
At 120 million dollars US apiece, the Erieye is an excellent alternative to the bigger but more expensive Phalcon.

As an archipelagic country, AEW&C aircraft would be very useful PAF asset.

Numbers - July 16, 2004 05:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Switik @ Jul 16 2004, 10:22 AM)
At 120 million dollars US apiece, the Erieye is an excellent alternative to the bigger but more expensive Phalcon.

As an archipelagic country, AEW&C aircraft would be very useful PAF asset.

swit bro ;) fighters first before Erieye

yoshino - August 23, 2004 11:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Iron Dragon @ Aug 22 2004, 01:20 PM)
against Pakistan's Al Khalid or China's T MBTs, the Arjun will probably smoke em. :pistols:

pakistan is also a developing country and yet the are able to make a tank of their own



:armyneutral:

Singa Lion - August 24, 2004 12:31 PM (GMT)
yoshino are you japanese? :armycool:

the reason is necisity pakistan is always under threat by india so they have no choice but to work hard to manufacture their own weapons but they havr to ask the assistance of china to be able to do their weapons programs a success

Uzi 0 - September 4, 2004 09:34 AM (GMT)
--Lockheed Martin Corp., Marietta, Ga., is being awarded a $8,400,000 firm fixed-price contract.
This acquisition is for the purchase of seven C-130E aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force. This effort supports foreign military sales to the Pakistan Air Force.
Total funds have been obligated. This work will be complete by December 2004. Solicitation began May 2004 and negotiations were completed August 2004.
The Headquarters Warner Robins Air Logistics Center, Robins Air Force Base, Ga., is the contracting activity (FA8504-04-C-0006).


--Lockheed Martin Corp., Bethesda, Md., is being awarded a $55,587,085 firm fixed price contract modification.
This acquisition is for the procurement of Programmed Depot Maintenance, modification and upgrade of six C-130E aircraft, formerly owned by the Royal Australian Air Force, purchased under separate contract by the Pakistan Air Force.
This effort supports 100% foreign military sales to Pakistan Air Force.
The location of performance is Lockheed Martin Services, Greenville, S.C. Total funds have been obligated. This work will be complete by October 2005. Negotiations were completed August 2004.
The Headquarters Warner Robins Air Logistics Center, Robins Air Force Base, Ga., is the contracting activity (FA8504-04-C-0009, PZ0001).

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Singa Lion - March 26, 2005 02:35 AM (GMT)
By Adam Entous

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President Bush agreed on Friday to sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in a major policy shift rewarding a key ally in the war on terrorism and angering neighboring India.

Bush, on vacation at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, called Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and explained his decision to move forward on the sale, which has been blocked for 15 years to punish Pakistan for its nuclear weapons program.

Administration officials said the change reflected Islamabad's role helping the United States in the region after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

Singh expressed "great disappointment" and warned Bush that the move "could have negative consequences for India's security environment," said Sanjaya Baru, spokesman for the prime minister's office.

The Bush administration played down India's security concerns, and signaled a willingness to sell sophisticated fighters to India if it chooses to buy them in the future, but made no firm commitments. A U.S. official said India is contemplating a "very large" purchase of fighters, including U.S.-built F-16s and possibly F-18s.

Nuclear-armed rivals India and Pakistan have fought three wars and were on the brink of another in 2002, but tensions have eased since they began talks last year aimed at ending half a century of enmity.

"To the extent that we can contribute to Pakistan's sense of security and India's sense of security, that will contribute to regional stability," said State Department spokesman Adam Ereli.

A senior Bush administration official said initial estimates called for the sale of 24 F-16s to Pakistan. But the State Department said the number was "undetermined" and that Washington has set no fixed limits on how many aircraft Islamabad can buy.

Ereli said the F-16s would be newly built and that negotiations would now begin with the Pakistani government and the U.S. Congress on the details. The F-16 is made by Lockheed Martin Corp., the largest U.S. defense contractor.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;j...storyID=8005307

Chowking - April 1, 2005 11:42 AM (GMT)
well the pakistan wants to buy 70 F16

as far as i know

f16 c/d block 52

f16 a/b upgrade to mlu which they have

may be get more f16 a/b with mlu




spiderweb6969 - May 4, 2005 02:34 PM (GMT)
Pakistan's New Helicopters and How to Use Them

May 3, 2005: In the last year, Pakistan has received over 70 UH-1 transport helicopters from the United States, as well over a hundred of night vision goggles (NVGs). Pakistan has always had a dozen or so UH-1s, and is thus familiar with the helicopters. The UH-1's the United States has sent are used, but in good condition. The U.S. Army is phasing out the UH-1, so the ones that are in the best shape are being shipped to Pakistan. Along with the helicopters and NVGs (Night Vision Goggles), has come training on how to perform air assault operations, both day and night. This is a capability the Pakistanis want to use against tribesmen along the Afghan border. The tribal gunmen do not usually operate at night, and can be more easily defeated with air mobile operations. Normally, when one group of tribesmen are attacked, they quickly radio for reinforcements, which arrive soon in pickup trucks and other vehicles. Often the tribal gunmen will start moving the minute they see army trucks traveling through the area. Going after a compound or village full of tribesmen via a helicopter assault defeats the tribal reinforcement system. If you can go in at night, you are likely to encounter less resistance, and be out of there with your prisoners before more armed tribesmen arrive, or even know you were there. This capability gives the army a psychological edge over the tribesmen as well, which is important in a region where much of the conflict is bluff and bluster. The American trainers were needed mainly to provide useful tips on large scale helicopters movements, and the use of the NVGs by the helicopter pilots. Night navigation in a helicopter can be tricky, even with the NVGs, but the Pakistani crews got up to speed quickly.

spiderweb6969 - May 4, 2005 02:44 PM (GMT)
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saver111 - August 25, 2005 02:25 PM (GMT)
US salvoes across South Asia

Pakistan:

- Bush administration to release advanced F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan
- between 2003 and now, the US had given to Pakistan six C-130 military transport aircraft ($75 million grant); six Aerostat surveillance radars ($US155 million sale); 12 radars and 40 Bell transport helicopters ($300 million sale); military radio systems ($78 million sale).
- Proposed sales include eight P-3C maritime reconnaissance aircraft, six Phalanx ship protection weapons systems and 2,000 TOW anti-tank missiles (worth up to $1.2 billion), and the recently proposed sale of 300 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles and 60 Harpoon anti-ship missiles (worth $226 million).

Even the deals marked as "sale" may be partially or fully funded by the $1.5 billion annual US military assistance to Pakistan. It must be noted that apart from aid, the Pentagon's budget includes $100 million per month to be given to Pakistan as "compensation" for its "war on terror" efforts.

- the decommissioned US Navy vessel USS Fletcher, which is slated to be transferred to Pakistan on a grant basis. This means that the vessel is essentially given to Pakistan free of charge, with the latter having to pay only for transportation charges.

The Fletcher, ship number DD-992, is a Spruance-class destroyer. It would cost Pakistan an estimated $40 million annually just to operate the vessel.

India:

- the Austin-class Amphibious Transport Dock USS Trenton. One Indian observer bluntly called the Trenton "a piece of junk". To add to this, the US wants India to pay top dollar for this ship, unlike the grant given to Pakistan.
- the US was considering the sale of the Aegis system and maritime patrol aircraft to India as a measure that would help Indian ships "monitor" China's activities in the Indian neighborhood and the strategic Malacca Strait.
- potential US-Indian military deals worth up to $15 billion in the next five to six years. While the Indian Air Force's tender for 126 fighter jets is rumored to be the prime component of the package,
- sales of the Aegis system and the Patriot PAC-3 missile system are not said to be far behind.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GH04Df01.html

datu - September 1, 2005 12:28 AM (GMT)
Pakistan Acquires U.S. P-3C Surveillance Aircraft
By REUTERS, ISLAMABAD

Pakistan, a key ally in the U.S.-led war on terrorism, said on Wednesday that it had acquired eight P-3C Orion surveillance aircraft from the United States, which would help boost its naval capabilities.

The Pentagon notified the U.S. Congress of the plan to supply the planes to Pakistan in November, raising concerns in Pakistan's rival and neighbor India which has since considered the aircraft for its own military.

The Pentagon said at the time the aircraft would improve Pakistan's border security and its ability to restrict movement of militants.

However, Pakistan Navy spokesman Captain Aamir Naeem Baig said the aircraft were designed for maritime surveillance and could not be used for chasing militants along the land border with Afghanistan, where Islamic guerrillas are most active.

A statement from the Pakistan Navy said the aircraft, worth up to $970 million, were being provided free by the United States and would be fitted with modern avionics and missions systems by the manufacturer, Lockheed Martin Corp.

The Bush administration also approved shipment of two F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in July after Washington lifted a two-decade ban on the supply of the planes to Pakistan.

The policy charge was in recognition of Pakistan's role in helping the United States after the Sept. 11 attacks on U.S. cities in 2001.

Admiral Shahid Karimullah, Pakistan's chief of naval staff, said the Orions would "add a new dimension to the offensive punch of Pakistan Navy fleet".

Pakistan's fleet of P-3Cs now stands at 10 with the induction of eight new planes.

http://defensenews.com/story.php?F=1069726&C=airwar

spiderweb6969 - January 13, 2006 02:07 AM (GMT)
Pakistan - M109A5 155mm Self-propelled Howitzers
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/c...U&modele=jdc_34


(Source: US Defense Security Cooperation Agency; issued Dec. 16, 2005)


On 16 December 2005, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of 115 M109A5 155mm self-propelled howitzers as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $56 million.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 115 M109A5 155mm self-propelled howitzers, spare and repair parts, support and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, Quality Assurance Team, U. S. Government logistics personnel services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $56 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that continues to be a key ally in the global war on terrorism.

Pakistan currently operates M109A2 self-propelled howitzers and will use this new procurement to re-equip existing units and retire older artillery pieces, modernizing the Armys fire support capability. Pakistan will use these howitzers to improve its current fleet of ground defense equipment. The proposed equipment will assist Pakistan in improving its internal command and control of the mountain range bordering its country. Pakistan will have no difficulty absorbing the howitzers into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region.

No contractor is involved for this purchase of the howitzers. Equipment is considered long supply and is no longer utilized by the U.S. Government.

There will be a Technical Assistance Field Team (TAFT) and U.S. Government Quality Assurance Team for one year to check out the equipment. A TAFT will participate for two-week intervals twice annually to participate in program management and technical reviews.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.

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saver111 - January 18, 2006 05:07 AM (GMT)
It might be part of the package previously planned:

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2045&hl=

saver111 - March 22, 2006 08:45 AM (GMT)
Pakistan tests cruise missile for second time

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan successfully tested a nuclear-capable cruise missile for the second time, the military said on Tuesday.

Pakistan first tested the Babur, or Hatf VII, cruise missile in August last year, marking a significant boost to its arsenal.

"All phases of the planned trajectory were extremely successful and the missile impacted with pinpoint accuracy," a military statement, adding that President Pervez Musharraf witnessed the test at an undisclosed location.

The military said the test was "ground-launched," but added the missile "will also be capable of being placed in submarines and on surface ship."

"The Babur, which has near stealth capabilities, is a low-flying, terrain hugging missile with high maneuverability, pinpoint accuracy and radar avoidance features," it said.

"With a range of 500 km, it can carry all types of warheads."

Pakistan's arch-rival India already has cruise missiles that can be launched from submarine.
Reuters

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=33332

saver111 - November 29, 2006 11:39 AM (GMT)
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Pakistan test fires nuclear-capable missile

ISLAMABAD (AFP) - Pakistan test launched a nuclear-capable medium range missile on Wednesday, two days after South Asian rival India conducted its first trial of a new ballistic intercept system.

The Pakistani Hatf 4 or Shaheen-1 missile -- Shaheen means "eagle" in Urdu -- has a range of 700 kilometers meaning it can hit targets deep inside neighboring India.

"Pakistani troops today conducted a successful launch of the medium range Hatf 4 or Shaheen-1 missile," the military said in a statement.

The test came as part of a continuing exercise by Pakistan's Army Strategic Force Command. On November 16 Pakistan test fired a Ghauri missile with a longer range of 1,300 kilometers away.

"The event marked the culmination phase of the training exercise and validated the operational readiness of the strategic missile group equipped with Shaheen-1 Missiles," the statement said.

Pakistan's Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Ehsan Ul Haq witnessed the launch exercise at an undisclosed location.

He hailed "the high standards achieved during training which was reflected in the successful launch and the accuracy of the missile in reaching the target," the statement said.

"Pakistan can be justifiably proud of its defense capability and the reliability of its nuclear deterrence," he added.

Neighbouring India announced on Monday that its first test of a missile designed to intercept other missiles had been a success.

The test saw a surface-to-surface Prithvi-II (earth) missile, which has a range up to 250 kilometers, shot down over the Bay of Bengal by a similar missile fired seconds later.

Regional rivals Pakistan and India have routinely conducted missile tests since carrying out tit-for-tat nuclear detonations in May 1998, alarming the world.

Top Indian and Pakistani diplomats at a meeting in New Delhi this month agreed to create a panel to share intelligence on terrorism and move to cut the risk of nuclear weapon "accidents".

The talks rekindled a peace process put on hold since July's Mumbai train bombings, in which 189 people died. Indian officials said Pakistan's spy agency was linked to the blasts, a claim Pakistan denied.

They also agreed on the "early signing" of an agreement to reduce the risk of "accidents relating to nuclear weapons", without giving a specific time frame. The two sides are to meet next in Islamabad in February.

The rival neighbors have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947, two of them over the disputed Himalayan territory of Kashmir, which is divided between the two and claimed by both in its entirety.

saver111 - December 27, 2006 08:13 AM (GMT)
Pakistan to use mines to stop militants

By DUSAN STOJANOVIC, Associated Press Writer Tue Dec 26, 12:53 PM ET

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan said Tuesday it will plant land mines and build a fence on parts of its long, rugged frontier with Afghanistan to meet criticism it does too little to stop Taliban and al-Qaida guerrillas from crossing the border.

Relations have been souring between the neighbors, which are key U.S. allies in its war on terror groups. Afghan and NATO officials contend militants operate from sanctuaries in Pakistan, but the Islamabad government insists it does all it can to stop them.

The plan did little to ease those frictions.

Afghanistan quickly objected to the idea of a fence along the 1,510-mile border, whose demarcation is disputed by the two nations. But Pakistani Foreign Secretary Riaz Mohammed Khan said his country would be acting on its own territory and did not need Afghan consent.

Khan told reporters Pakistan also will send unspecified military reinforcements to the frontier, joining about 80,000 soldiers already in the country's northwestern tribal regions bordering Afghanistan.

In addition, he said, officials will "strictly monitor" Afghan refugee camps in Pakistan, following claims by Afghan officials that the camps are used as bases by Taliban militants.

Khan did not specify when work would begin on the border fence, saying only that the army has been ordered to determine the needs "for selectively fencing and mining the Pakistan-Afghanistan border."

Afghanistan has rejected previous offers by Pakistan to fence and mine the border. The Kabul government disputes the border, known as the Durand Line, that was imposed by Britain during its colonial rule of the subcontinent a century ago.

"Fencing or mining the border is neither helpful nor practical. That's why we are against it. The border is not where the problem lies," said Khaleeq Ahmed, a spokesman for Afghan President Hamid Karzai in Kabul.

Karzai has become increasingly outspoken in charging that Pakistan still supports the Taliban militia that Pakistani leaders once backed but formally abandoned after the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.

Insurgents have stepped up attacks over the past year, triggering the worst violence since the hardline Taliban was ousted with U.S. help five years ago and threatening the shaky rule of Karzai, Afghanistan's first popularly elected president.

Pakistan is likely to draw complaints from its own people about trying to seal the border. The frontier region is inhabited on both sides by Pashtun tribespeople with strong family and clan ties who now travel freely across the border.

The plan for land mines also will cause concern.

Afghanistan is one of the world's countries worst affected by the weapons, with land mines killing and maiming thousands of civilians during past quarter-century of wars, and there is a strong international movement seeking to outlaw mines.

Khan said Pakistan was aware of global concerns about land mines, but added that the country is not a signatory to the Ottawa Treaty that bans their use.

"There is an extraordinary situation and we need extraordinary measures to respond to this," he said.

Talat Masood, a former Pakistani general who is now a prominent military analyst, said Pakistan had grown "very frustrated" over the accusations from Afghanistan and its NATO allies that it is doing little to prevent cross-border movements by militants.

Pakistan "wants to take such measures, but it's not that easy to define the areas of cross-border insurgency and mine them," Masood said. "It would be a huge undertaking. The problem is demarcation of the border as well."

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Associated Press writers Jason Straziuso in Kabul, Afghanistan, and Sadaqat Jan in Islamabad, Pakistan, contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061226/ap_on_...n_afghan_border

Chowking - December 27, 2006 12:16 PM (GMT)
afganistan also made a objection to this fencing
oo HH man i wonder what they want
the NEW GOV OF AFGAN HATES PAK a big times
i read a lot of articles

spiderweb6969 - January 2, 2007 03:56 AM (GMT)
Pakistanis Upgrade Sidewinders

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/ar...s/20070101.aspx

January 1, 2007: The Pakistani Air Force is paying an American firm about $19,000 each to have 310 AIM-9M Sidewinder air-to-air missiles upgraded to the AIM-9M8/9 standard. This involves minor improvements in the electronics and rocket motor. In most air forces, air-to-air missiles are never fired, but end up exceeding their shelf-life and being taken out of service then, or when they otherwise become obsolete. In this case, a missile that is still considered quite effective, is being given a check-up and minor upgrade, to make them useful for another 5-10 years. The missiles will be refurbished in the United States. This project is part of a larger, $5.1 billion effort to add 36 F-16s to the Pakistani air force, and upgrade existing aircraft, and associated equipment and weapons.

israeli - April 12, 2007 06:47 PM (GMT)
Greece to sell four Elli class frigates to Pakistan
india-defence.com
Dated 15/5/2006


Islamabad: Greece will provide four frigates to the Pakistan Navy, two of which will be delivered this year, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has said.

Aziz, visiting Greece at the head of a delegation of ministers, senior officials and businessmen, said both countries were looking forward to stronger ties in defence and security matters and had agreed to the deal.

'Pakistan will acquire used frigates,' he said. He did not reveal further details, the Daily Times newspaper reported.

The Hellenic Navy, which uses Elli class frigates, will provide the same. Pakistan has been acquiring defence equipment from various countries to meet its defence needs.

Greece and Pakistan also pledged to exchange information on fighting terror, the prime ministers of the two countries said later.

Aziz and Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis did not take questions from mediapersons. Karamanlis declined to answer a reporter's query on an ongoing investigation into the alleged abduction and interrogation of a number of Pakistani immigrants in Athens following the July 2005 London attacks.


- damn! how i wish the Philippine Navy got those ships instead! :drunk:

israeli - April 12, 2007 07:00 PM (GMT)
user posted image
-- photo of a Kortenaer class frigate.


Elli (Kortenaer/Standard) class multi-role frigate
from The Hellenic Navy Official Website

Displacement, tons: 3,050 standard; 3,630 full load
Displacement Full Load (tonnes): 3688
Displacement Standard (tonnes): 3098.8
Length (m): 130.5
Beam (m): 14.6
Draught (m): 6.2
Range (nm): 4700
Speed (knots): 30

Dimensions, feet (metres): 428 47.9 20.3 (screws) (130.5 14.6 6.2)
Main machinery: COGOG; 2 RR Olympus TM3B gas turbines; 50,880 hp (39.7 MW)sustained; 2 RR Tyne RM1C gas turbines; 9,900 hp (7.4 MW) sustained; 2 shafts; acbLIPS cp props
Speed, knots: 30. Range, miles: 4,700 at 16 kt
Complement: 176 (17 officers)

Missiles: SSM: 8 McDonnell Douglas Harpoon (2 quad) launchers; active radar homing to 130 km (70 n miles) at 0.9 Mach; warhead 227 kg.
SAM: Raytheon NATO Sea Sparrow; 24 missiles; semi-active radar homing to 14.6 km (8 n miles)at 2.5 Mach; warhead 39 kg. Portable Redeye; shoulder-launched; short range.

Guns: 1 or 2 (450, 451) OTO Melara 3 in (76 mm)/62 compact; 85 rds/min to 16 km (8.6 n miles) anti-surface; 12 km (6.5 n miles)anti-aircraft; weight of shell 6 kg.
1 or 2 (450, 451) GE/GD Vulcan Phalanx 20 mm Mk 15 6-barrelled; 3,000 rds/min combined to 1.5 km. One mounting only on hangar roof in F 459-462.

Torpedoes: 4-324 mm Mk 32 (2 twin) tubes. 16 Honeywell Mk 46 Mod 5; anti-submarine; active/passive homing to 11 km (5.9 n miles)at 40 kt; warhead 44 kg. Can be fitted.

Countermeasures: Decoys: 2 Loral Hycor Mk 36 SRBOC chaff launchers.
ESM: Elettronika Sphinx and MEL Scimitar; intercept.
ECM: ELT 715; jammer.

Combat data systems: Signaal SEWACO II action data automation; Links 10, 11 and 14.

Radars: Air search: Signaal LW08; D-band; range 264 km (145 n miles) for 2 m2 target.
Surface search: Signaal ZW06; I-band.
Fire control: Signaal WM25; I/J-band; range 46 km (25 n miles). Signaal STIR; I/J/K-band; range 39 km (21 n miles) for 1 m2 target.

Sonars: Canadian Westinghouse SQS-505; hull-mounted; active search and attack; 7 kHz.

Helicopters: 2 AB 212ASW.


Programmes: A contract was signed with the Netherlands on 15 September 1980 for the purchase of one of the 'Kortenaer' class building for the Netherlands' Navy, and an option on a second of class, which was taken up 7 June 1981. A second contract, signed on 9 November 1992, transferred three more of the class. Recommissioning dates for the second batch are Aegeon 14 May 1993, Adrias 30 March 1994 and Navarinon1 March 1995. Kountouriotis, the sixth ship to transfer, recommissioned on 15 December 1997, Bouboulina, the seventh, on 14 December 2001, Kanaris, the eighth was recommissioned in November 2002 and Themistoklis the eighth was recommissioned in 24 October 2003.

Modernisation: The original plan was to fit one Phalanx CIWS in place of the after 76 mm gun but for Gulf deployments in 1990-91 the gun was retained in 450 and 451 and two Phalanx fitted on the deck above the torpedo tubes. Corvus chaff launchers replaced by SRBOC (fitted either side of the bridge). The second batch of four ships were to be similarly modified but the original plan of one Phalanx vice the after 76 mm has been used as a cheaper alternative. An upgrade programme for these ships is planned to be completed by the end of 2006 but details have yet to be finalised. Modernisation is likely to focus on sensors, the combat data system and communications. The Phalanx system may be upgraded to RAM and flight decks may be strengthened to receive Aegean Hawks.

Structure: Hangar is 2 m longer than in Netherlands' ships to accommodate AB 212ASW helicopters.

saver111 - July 26, 2007 02:04 PM (GMT)
Pakistan test fires nuclear-capable missile

Reuters

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan successfully tested on Thursday a cruise missile capable of carrying a variety of warheads, including nuclear, the military said.

The Babur Hatf VII missile has a range of 700 km (435 miles). It was last tested in March.

"It was a successful test," a military official said on condition of anonymity.

The test was meant to validate the design parameters set for the missile, a separate military statement said.

President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz greeted scientists on the test firing and "assured complete support in the development plans of all strategic projects," the statement said.

The Babur Hatf VII is a terrain-hugging, radar avoiding cruise missile.

The missile was first tested in 2005. Since, then its range has been enhanced to 700 km, from 500 km previously.

Nuclear-armed Pakistan and India routinely carry out missile tests despite a peace process they launched in early 2004, and both have agreed to inform each other of such tests in advance.

The two South Asian neighbors carried out tit-for-tat nuclear weapons tests in 1998.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=85987

saver111 - September 22, 2008 09:46 AM (GMT)
Pakistani troops fire on intruding U.S. choppers

By Augustine Anthony 33 minutes ago

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani troops fired on two U.S. helicopters that intruded into Pakistani airspace on Sunday night, forcing them to turn back to Afghanistan, a senior Pakistani security official said on Monday.

It was the second such incident in a week, and reflects frayed relations with the United States over Pakistan's failure to act more forcibly against Islamist fighters in the tribal lands bordering Afghanistan.

The number of missile attacks by U.S. drone aircraft in the remote tribal areas has multiplied in recent weeks.

The helicopters violated the border in the area of Lowara Mandi, 40 km (25 miles) west of Miranshah, the main town in the North Waziristan tribal region, at around 9 p.m. on Sunday, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

There was no official confirmation.

"We don't have any information on border violation by the American helicopters," Major Murad Khan, a military spokesman, said.

Residents said drones had been flying overnight and early on Monday over Miranshah but did not attack.

"It's really so scary, we just can't sleep when you hear them flying," said Zia-ur-Rehman, a resident of Hamzoni village near Miranshah.

Relations became strained between the allies in the war on terrorism after U.S. commandos raided a border village in South Waziristan and killed 20 people, including women and children, on September 3.

Pakistanis were outraged by the raid and the six-month-old civilian government issued a diplomatic protest.

It was the first overt incursion by U.S. ground troops into Pakistani territory, though the U.S. military has conducted numerous missile strikes against al Qaeda and Taliban targets in Pakistan's tribal lands.

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The U.S. action prompted army chief General Ashfaq Kayani to issue a statement saying that foreign troops would not be allowed on Pakistani soil and Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity would be defended at all costs.

Pakistani troops fired on two U.S. helicopters that crossed the border at the same village, Angor Adda, a week ago, again forcing them to turn back, according to residents and security officers.

Pakistan and the United States issued denials.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari is scheduled to meet President George W. Bush on Tuesday in the United States, and is also due to attend the U.N. General Assembly.

Pakistan's support is regarded as crucial to the success of Western forces trying to stabilize Afghanistan, and in the fight against al Qaeda.

Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, held talks in Islamabad with top Pakistani officials last week. Mullen "reiterated the U.S. commitment to respect Pakistan's sovereignty," the U.S. embassy said in a statement.

The United States is Pakistan's largest donor, and the dissonance between them has been a factor pushing down Pakistani shares and the rupee because Pakistan needs an inflow of dollars to rebuild rapidly depleting foreign currency reserves to prop up its ailing economy.

(Writing by Simon Cameron-Moore; Editing by David Fogarty)

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israeli - December 26, 2008 04:16 PM (GMT)
Pakistan moves troops toward Indian border
By Sebastian Abbot, Associated Press Writer
Yahoo! News
10 mins ago


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan Pakistan began moving thousands of troops to the Indian border Friday, intelligence officials said, sharply raising tensions triggered by the Mumbai terror attacks.

India has blamed Pakistani-based militants for last month's siege on its financial capital, which killed 164 people and has provoked an increasingly bitter war of words between nuclear-armed neighbors that have fought three wars in 60 years.

The troops headed to the Indian border were being diverted away from tribal areas near Afghanistan, officials said, and the move was expected to frustrate the United States, which has been pushing Pakistan to step up its fight against al-Qaida and Taliban militants near the Afghan border.

Two intelligence officials said the army's 14th Division was being redeployed to the towns of Kasur and Sialkot, close to the Indian border. They said some 20,000 troops were on the move. Earlier Friday, a security official said all troop leave had been canceled.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

Both countries have said they want to avoid military conflict over the attacks. But India has not ruled out the use of force as it presses its neighbor to crack down on the Pakistani-based terrorist group it blames for the attack.

Pakistani Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani has promised to respond aggressively if attacked but reassured India Friday that Pakistan would not strike first.

"We will not take any action on our own," Gilani told reporters. "There will be no aggression from our side."

Meanwhile, Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee accused Pakistan of trying to divert attention away from its struggle to rein in homegrown terror groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba, which Delhi accuses of masterminding the Mumbai attacks.

"They should concentrate on the real issue: how to fight against terrorists and how to fight against and bring to book the perpetrators of (the) Bombay terrorist attack," he said.

Pakistan has arrested several senior members of the banned group and cracked down on a charity the U.S. and UN say was a front for Lashkar. India has demanded greater action, but Pakistan says it needs to share evidence backing up its claims.

Mukherjee responded Friday by saying India had provided more than enough evidence about the militants, who infiltrated Mumbai by sea.

"We have indicated to them that there are ample evidences from the log book of the captured ship, from the information available from satellite telephones and various others that elements from Pakistan were responsible for this attack," Mukherjee told reporters.

Earlier, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met Friday with the chiefs of the army, navy and air force to discuss "the prevailing security situation," according to an official statement.

An Associated Press reporter in Dera Ismail Khan, a district that borders Pakistan's militant-infested South Waziristan tribal area, said he saw around 40 trucks loaded with soldiers heading away from the Afghan border Friday.

A senior security official confirmed that soldiers were being moved out of the border area, but said it was "a limited number from areas where they were not engaged in any operation."

He declined further comment and asked his name not be used, citing the sensitivity of the situation.

The White House said it was discussing the reported troop movements with U.S. embassies in the region and was urging both countries to cooperate in investigating the attacks and fighting terrorism.

"We hope that both sides will avoid taking steps that will unnecessarily raise tensions during these already tense times," said White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

Analysts said the redeployment was likely meant as a warning to India not to launch missile strikes against militant targets on its territory, a response that some have speculated is possible.

"It is a message to India that if you think you can get away with strikes, you are sadly mistaken," said Talat Masood, a retired general and military analyst based in Islamabad.

Pakistan and India have fought three wars since their independence from Britain in 1947, two over Kashmir, a Muslim majority region in the Himalayas claimed by both countries.

They came close to a fourth after suspected Pakistani militants attacked India's parliament in 2001. Both countries massed hundreds of thousands of troops to the disputed Kashmir region, but tensions cooled after intensive international diplomacy.

News of the buildup comes as Indian officials say militant activity in Indian Kashmir has fallen to its lowest levels since an anti-India militant movement began there in 1989.

The number of militant attacks fell 40 percent from 2007-2008, reaching 709 this year from roughly 1,100 last year, Kuldeep Khoda, a senior police official, said in a statement.

Police say there are 850 militants fighting in the region, including followers of Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is widely believed to be a creation of Pakistani intelligence in the 1980s and used to fight Indian-rule in Kashmir.

Indian authorities say the decrease in attacks is the result of an experienced security apparatus that has struck at the heart of many militant groups Khoda said Indian forces have killed about 350 militants this year, including some top-ranking commanders. But they also say that the militants have scaled back their attacks as a large public protest movement gained momentum since last summer.

Pakistan has deployed more than 100,000 soldiers in Waziristan and other northwestern regions to fight Islamic militants blamed for surging violence against Western troops in Afghanistan as well as suicide attacks in Pakistan.

Security officials have previously said the country would be forced to withdraw troops from the Afghan border if tensions with India whose army is twice as large escalated.

"This is a serious blow to the war on terror in the sense that the whole focus is now shifting toward the eastern border," said Masood. "It will give more leeway to the militants and increased space to operate."

The United States wants Pakistan to stay focused on the fight against militants in the border region, where Osama bin Laden and other top al-Qaida leaders are believed to be hiding.

saver111 - May 20, 2009 11:16 AM (GMT)
Photos show Pakistan 'expanding nuclear sites'
AFP
by Dan De Luce Dan De Luce Wed May 20, 2:04 am ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) Satellite photos released show Pakistan has expanded two sites crucial to its nuclear program as part of an effort to bolster the destructive power of its atomic arsenal, a US arms control institute said.

The commercial images reveal a major expansion of a chemical plant complex near Dera Ghazi Khan that produces uranium hexafluoride and uranium metal, materials used to produce nuclear weapons, said analysts at the Institute for Science and International Security.

At a site near Rawalpindi, photos suggest the Pakistanis "have added a second plutonium separation plant adjacent to the old one," the ISIS report said.

Pakistan in recent years also has been building two new plutonium production reactors, it said.

"All together, these recent expansion activities indicate that Pakistan is indeed progressing in a strategic plan to improve the destructiveness and deliverability of its nuclear arsenal," the report said.

The expansion would enable Pakistan to build smaller, lighter plutonium-fission weapons and thermonuclear weapons that employ "plutonium as the nuclear trigger and enriched and natural enriched uranium in the secondary," it said.

The commercial photos of the chemical plant in Dera Ghazi Khan, taken on August 25 of last year, show new industrial buildings, new anti-aircraft installations and several new settling ponds as part of the expansion, ISIS said.

The satellite images follow confirmation from the top US military officer, Admiral Mike Mullen, on Friday that Pakistan was expanding its nuclear arsenal.

Mullen on Monday said US military assistance to Pakistan was not being used by Islamabad to bolster its nuclear weapons program.

Given turmoil in Pakistan with the army waging war against Taliban militants in the northwest, ISIS said the security of the country's "nuclear assets remains in question.

"An expansion in nuclear weapons production capabilities needlessly complicates efforts to improve the security of Pakistan's nuclear assets," it said.

The Dera Ghazi Khan nuclear site in the past several years has been the target of at least one attack by more than a dozen gunmen, the institute said, citing media reports. Nearby railway tracks have also been bombed.

The attacks have been blamed on separatists from the nearby Pakistani province of Balochistan and not the Taliban, the report said.

"The brazen ground assault and nearby bombings are nevertheless troubling considering the role that the Dera Ghazi Khan plant plays in Pakistan's nuclear weapons program," it said.

CIA director Leon Panetta said Monday that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal was "pretty secure" amid concerns the weapons could fall into the hands of Taliban militants.

"Right now, we are confident that the Pakistanis do have a pretty secure approach to trying to protect these weapons. But it is something that we continue to watch because obviously the last thing we want is for the Taliban to have access to nuclear weapons in Pakistan," Panetta said in Los Angeles.

The ISIS report urged the US government to persuade Pakistan to halt production of fissile material and join talks for a treaty that would ban the production of plutonium and highly enriched uranium.

"As an interim step, the United States should press both India and Pakistan to suspend any production of fissile material for nuclear weapons," it said.

Pakistan has roughly 60 to 100 nuclear weapons that can be delivered by attack aircraft and ballistic missiles, the report added.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090520/pl_af...kF7BCVCMaBvaA8F

MSantor - July 14, 2009 03:03 PM (GMT)
Will the helos discussed below be actually used in the Northwest Frontier against the Taliban or diverted for patrolling the Kashmir border is another question that weighs on some people's minds.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4177914&c=ASI&s=TOP

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France Preps Arms Package for Pakistan
By USMAN ANSARI
Published: 8 Jul 2009 17:49 
ISLAMABAD - France is preparing a comprehensive defense package to offer to Pakistan for its counterterrorism operations in the North West Frontier Province bordering Afghanistan, according to a spokesman at the French defense section at Paris' Embassy here.

Local media had reported a possible Franco-Pakistani defense deal in early July.


The spokesman said that the deal would include weapons and training, but gave no further details..

"Nothing has been agreed, but a lot of things have been discussed. The main issue is to help Pakistan in the area of counterterrorism," he said.

As for media reports that an agreement had been reached to sell the Franco-German Tiger attack helicopter to Islamabad, the spokesman dismissed them as "a media buzz."

The spokesman said the larger deal might be concluded when French President Nicholas Sarkozy visits sometime after Sept. 21.

France is already working to remedy a shortage of helicopters that has hindered the Pakistan Army during its counterterrorism operations in the North West Frontier Province. The French have returned Pakistan's Puma transport and utility helicopters to full operational status. They are also providing the armed variant of the AS550 Fennec light helicopter, which will join the unarmed Ecureuil variant that is in service with Pakistan Army Aviation.

However, the Tiger gunship, if it is included in the package, may not be suitable for Pakistan's needs, said defense analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium.

Khan said the Pakistan Army needs extra gunships "immediately," but he noted that the most obvious source, Washington, is unable to meet the need. Pakistan had hoped to acquire the AH-64 Apache, but no funds are available for the purchase.

Additional AH-1F Cobras are also unlikely to materialize soon because, he said, "it takes close to 24 to 36 months to refurbish a stored AH-1 S/F and make it fully combat-operational."

However, a spokesman for the defense section in the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad said Pakistan had previously declined an offer of further refurbished Cobras.

"Through Foreign Military Financing [FMF], the U.S. provided 12 refurbished AH-1Fs to Pakistan in 2007. Pakistan used U.S. grants to pay for the refurbishments. Also through FMF, the U.S. offered to refurbish an additional eight Pakistan Army AH-1F Cobras; however, Pakistan decided not to pursue this course of action," he said.

Khan said the only other U.S. option also comes with a considerable time delay.

"The U.S. has indicated that they are willing and able to release close to 14 AH-1W Super Cobras immediately, but first Pakistan Army pilots and technicians would need to be trained. Therefore, the Pakistan Army would be looking at another 10 to 12 months before it wears Pakistani colors," he said.

Khan said Pakistan's needs would best be met by the South African AH-2 Rooivalk.

"It is hard-hitting, rugged, needs little support, the Pakistan Army is familiar with the Puma platform [upon which it is based] and has expertise with it, and it suits Pakistan's industrial base to a large degree."

But he said the Rooivalk program is now all but at a premature end, and Islamabad lacks the finances to revive and purchase it from the South Africans.

E-mail: uansari@defensenews.com.

MSantor - July 26, 2009 01:57 PM (GMT)
Meanwhile, in Pakistan's own front against the Taliban in its own country:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090726/worl...nrest_northwest

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Pakistani jets kill 13 militants: officials
2 hours, 47 minutes ago



PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) - Pakistani fighter jets pounded militant positions, killing at least 13 rebels and destroying their hideouts in the restive northwest, security officials said Sunday.


The bombardment took place on late Saturday in Lower Dir town, where troops have been carrying out search and clearance operation to hunt down militants.


"At least 13 militants were killed and 15 of their hideouts destroyed in the bombing carried out by fighter jets in Lower Dir," a security official in the area told AFP.


A local government official confirmed the incident and the militant casualties, saying the death toll might rise as intelligence intercepts revealed that there were some 140 militants holed up in the area.

The Pakistani army launched the offensive to dislodge Taliban guerrillas from the three districts of Lower Dir, Buner and Swat in late April and early May after rebels flouted a peace deal and thrust towards the capital Islamabad.


The offensive has the backing of the United States and enjoys broad popular support among Pakistanis exasperated by worsening Taliban-linked attacks, which have killed nearly 2,000 people in the nuclear-armed country since July 2007.


Meanwhile the military continued its search and clearance operation in Swat, Dir and Buner to track down militants.


"A local Taliban commander was killed and nine other terrorists were arrested in Swat during the last 24 hours," it said in a statement.


Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said earlier this month the military had "eliminated" extremists and government statistics show that 385,000 of 1.9 million civilians who were displaced by the fighting have returned.


But skirmishes have continued, raising fears that the Taliban escaped into the mountains and will return, a tactic militants adopted after similar military offensives in the past.


Pakistan says more than 1,800 militants and 166 security personnel have been killed since April but the death tolls are impossible to verify independently.

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Troops kill 14 militants in NW Pakistan: military
Sat Jul 25, 11:24 AM



ISLAMABAD (AFP) - Pakistani troops killed at least 18 militants and arrested another 29 during an ongoing offensive against Taliban insurgents in northwest Pakistan, the military and police said on Saturday.


The military continued search and clearance operations across Malakand district and the former tourist resort of Swat.


"During last 24 hours, search and clearance operations were conducted in Swat and Malakand division," it said in a daily update on the operation.


Ten militants were killed in Buner district and 29 were arrested elsewhere in the region, it said.


Troops killed four militants in Swat and destroyed a training camp and a militants' cave, recovering a huge cache of arms and ammunition, the statement said.


In the nearby district of Upper Dir jets pounded a suspected Taliban base, killing at least four militants, local police chief Ejaz Ahmed said.



"It was a key militant stronghold in the area which has been totally destroyed," Ahmed told AFP by telephone.


Local administration chief Javed Marwat said: "It was heavy bombing and the toll may go up."


Pakistan launched the offensive in late April, under pressure from the United States to clamp down on militants who had advanced from Swat into the neighbouring district of Buner, further south towards Islamabad.


Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said earlier this month the military had "eliminated" extremists and government statistics show that 385,000 of 1.9 million civilians who were displaced by the fighting have returned.


But skirmishes have continued, raising fears that the Taliban escaped into the mountains and will return, a tactic militants adopted after similar military offensives in the past.


Pakistan says more than 1,800 militants and 166 security personnel have been killed since April but the death tolls are impossible to verify independently.



Separately, a remote controlled bomb killed two Pakistani soldiers in the tribal Bajaur district, local administration official Ghulam Haider said.


"A remote controlled bomb exploded when soldiers were scanning a road for possible landmines in Charmang region's Matak town of Bajaur, killing two soldiers," he said.


Troops retaliated, killing three suspected Taliban militants, he added.


A military official confirmed the incident but gave no casualty figures.


Bajaur borders eastern Afghan province of Kunar.

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Pakistan stretched thin for Mehsud battle
Sun Jul 26, 1:25 AM



ISLAMABAD (AFP) - Consolidating military gains in Swat and worries about Taliban spillover from south Afghanistan are clouding Pakistan's offensive against the country's most wanted warlord, analysts say.


In mid-June, the military said it had received orders and was preparing to launch an offensive against Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud and his network in the South Waziristan tribal district bordering Afghanistan.


Troops have sealed off much of the eastern border between South Waziristan and areas under government control, and carried out air raids in what the military calls softening up for a full-scale ground operation.


Pakistan says it has eliminated the Taliban in a military offensive launched last April in northwestern districts Buner, Dir and Swat, which rendered nearly two million people displaced.


But deadly skirmishes continue, raising fears that the Taliban escaped into the mountains and might return, as after previous offensives.



Signs of battle were visible on the road winding up to Swat at the weekend. South of the valley at Batkhela, two bodies were dumped by the road. Residents said they were Taliban killed by the army.


Another body lay in the Swat town of Marghazar. Residents identified him as a local Taliban commander who was captured and killed as a warning.


"The army has to consolidate Swat and help maintain security so that IDPs (internally displaced persons) return without any fear that the Taliban would come back," former interior minister Hamid Nawaz told AFP.


"My assessment is that the army will remain in Swat until the civilian set-up is also consolidated and an intelligence network is in place," added Nawaz, who is also a retired lieutenant general.


Last week US regional envoy Richard Holbrooke heard concerns in Pakistan that 4,000 US Marines operating further south in Afghanistan will push Taliban across the border and inflame in insurgency in Baluchistan.


When the US airborne assault began, Pakistan said it redeployed troops along the Afghan border to stop Taliban fighters fleeing into its southwest, ripped apart by Islamist, sectarian and regional violence.

"There can be a spillover of the Helmand operation into Pakistan and the military has to guard the border as well," said Nawaz.


"But in South Waziristan, firefights continue and strikes are being carried out against militants with a view to cause maximum damage."


Mehsud has two prices on his head -- five million dollars from the United States, which considers him a key Al-Qaeda facilitator, and 615,000 dollars from the Pakistani government.


Suspected US missiles and Pakistani air strikes target his strongholds but so far he has escaped harm.



"Baitullah Mehsud is one of the most dangerous and odious people in the entire region," said Holbrooke, but added he thought a Waziristan offensive had been delayed because of operations in Swat.


"The highest priority right now has to be to secure the areas in Swat and Buner as the refugees return... So maybe they're delaying their offensive.


The Taliban denies claims that Maulana Fazlullah, architect of the Swat uprising, was wounded and threatened renewed holy war.

"Northern Swat is still insecure and the leadership, Fazlullah, is not captured, so there's a long way to go there," recognised Holbrooke.

He said Pakistan was busy coordinating its military activities with NATO troops in Afghanistan, where the United States was determined not to repeat mistakes of the past when Taliban escaped.
Defence analyst Talat Masood said "this could be the consideration," but argued the army would continue targeted air strikes against Mehsud's network, concentrated on perfect guerrilla terrain.

"They have always been hesitant to launch a full-scale operation in South Waziristan, because the conditions there are very different than Swat," Masood said. "They would continue with limited targeted action."

Military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas ruled out any question that Waziristan was on the back burner.

"Military operations are of different forms... The areas around South Waziristan are sealed and aerial targeting is being done," Abbas said.

"We will decide upon the ground offensive at an appropriate time. We do not start operations because someone or media reports say so," he said.



MSantor - August 1, 2009 06:12 PM (GMT)
And Beijing continues to court Islamabad.

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China Delivers Frigate To Pakistan: Navy

By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 30 Jul 2009 13:43 

KARACHI - China on July 30 delivered the first of four state-of-the-art frigates commissioned by nuclear-armed Pakistan from top ally Beijing, a naval spokesman said.

"The first F-22P Frigate constructed for the Pakistan navy at the Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai was delivered to Pakistan on Thursday," said Lt. Cmdr. Shakeel Ahmed.

In keeping with contracts signed between China and Pakistan in 2005, the frigates will be equipped with anti-submarine helicopters, surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles and other defense systems.

"The F-22P frigates will not only enhance the war fighting potential of the Pakistan navy but will also strengthen the indigenous ship-building capability of the country," said Ahmed.

The announcement came two days after Pakistan hit out at India, branding its rival's first nuclear-powered submarine "detrimental" to regional peace and vowing to take "appropriate steps" to maintain a "strategic balance".

Relations between nuclear-armed rivals India and Pakistan have plummeted since Islamist gunmen killed 166 people in Mumbai last November, attacks that New Delhi blamed on banned Pakistani group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).

India on Sunday launched the first of five planned submarines by naming the 6,000-tonne INS Arihant (Destroyer of Enemies), powered by an 85-megawatt nuclear reactor that can reach 44 kilometers an hour (24 knots).

China is Pakistan's strongest ally and Islamabad relies heavily on Beijing for its defense needs.

Many Chinese companies operate in Pakistan and China is involved in the construction of a deep-sea port at Gwadar on the Arabian Sea.


MSantor - August 13, 2009 05:26 PM (GMT)
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Pakistan pounds Taliban commander's bases, 12 die
By HUSSAIN AFZAL, Associated Press Writer Hussain Afzal, Associated Press Writer
24 mins ago

PARACHINAR, Pakistan Helicopter gunships pummeled a key Taliban commander's bases in Pakistan's northwest, killing at least 12 insurgents Thursday as government forces ratcheted up pressure on the militants following their top leader's reported death, officials said.

Military helicopters destroyed several bases and hide-outs Thursday morning near the Kurram and Aurakzai tribal regions run by militant commander Hakimullah Mehsud, three intelligence officials said.


Hakimullah Mehsud is a clansman and potential successor to Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud, who was reported killed in a CIA missile strike on Aug. 5.

Thursday's attacks were on bases in tribal areas near the Afghan border, about 60 miles (100 kilometers) north of the Mehsud clan's main base in south Waziristan.

The intelligence officials said troops saw the bodies from the air but did not retrieve them. Several militants were also wounded, and the casualties could rise because some people were believed to be still buried under the rubble of their hide-outs, said the officials, who sought anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

Pakistan's military redoubled its fight against the Pakistani Taliban a loose federation of Islamist groups with various tribal and regional factions in April after militants broke a peace deal and took over a district about 60 miles (100 kilometers) from the capital, Islamabad.

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MSantor - August 20, 2009 12:38 AM (GMT)
And Petraeus is in Pakistan, offering and persuading:

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U.S. general in Pakistan for talks on equipment
http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSISL487557

U.S. General David Petraeus and Pakistan military leaders would discuss on Wednesday expediting delivery of U.S. equipment to Pakistan so it can expand its offensive against Taliban militants, U.S. officials said.

With U.S. troop strength growing in Afghanistan, the United States wants Pakistan to eradicate Islamist militant enclaves on its side of the border and prevent Taliban fighters from crossing into Afghanistan.

The Pakistani army has been battling militants in parts of the northwest for months but a commander said on Tuesday the army was short of equipment, including Cobra attack helicopters [emphasis added], needed for a large-scale ground operation.

"It is part of a substantial effort to strengthen U.S.-Pakistani military cooperation," U.S. envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, told Reuters, referring to the Patraeus visit.

Holbrooke said on Tuesday that Washington was trying to expedite delivery of equipment requested by the Pakistani army, including helicopters and parts.

Pakistan's request for equipment would "come up for sure" in talks between Petraeus and senior Pakistani military officials, Holbrooke said.

He said Pakistani army chiefs would also provide Petraeus with their assessment of the battle in the Swat valley, northwest of Islamabad, after a three-month offensive in which Pakistani forces have pushed back militants.

Pakistan forces have also stepped up attacks on Pakistani Taliban fighters led by Baitullah Mehsud in the South Waziristan region on the Afghan border.

Mehsud is widely believed to have been killed this month in a missile strike by a U.S. pilotless drone aircraft.


OTHER FACTIONS

The United States also wants Pakistan to move against other militant factions, based in various areas including North Waziristan, which focus on battling Western forces in Afghanistan.

But a senior Pakistani commander, Lieutenant-General Nadeem Ahmed, said on Tuesday Pakistan would need months to prepare for a ground offensive against the Taliban in South Waziristan
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Some U.S. officials have expressed concern Pakistan will lose momentum if it puts off the offensive for too long...

MSantor - October 7, 2009 04:02 PM (GMT)
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ISLAMABAD Pakistan's powerful military, preparing for a new offensive against Taliban and al-Qaida militants, expressed "serious concern" Wednesday about a proposed multibillion-dollar U.S. aid package some consider an avenue to American meddling.

The military's unusual public statement opens a rift with the weak U.S.-backed civilian administration in Islamabad and bolsters opposition leaders. It also appears intended to show the Pakistani people that their army is not taking orders from Washington.

The aid bill, which awaits President Barack Obama's signature, would provide Pakistan with $1.5 billion a year over the next five years to spend on democratic, economic and social development programs. It also allows "such sums as may be necessary" for military aid, subject to special conditions related to its fight against militants.

U.S. officials say the bill's broad goal is to alleviate widespread poverty among the 175 million Pakistanis, lessening the allure of Taliban and other Islamist extremists who have wreaked havoc in the country and across the border in Afghanistan.

But to many here, the conditions attached to the aid are a sign of growing, and unwanted, U.S. influence in Pakistan. The worries are burnished by a media-fueled backlash over U.S. plans to add hundreds more embassy staff in Islamabad. American officials say the added staff are needed to disburse and monitor the cash flow.

"The question in Pakistani minds is: 'Is so much intrusion worth what we will be getting?'" said Ayaz Amir, a journalist and member of parliament with the Pakistan Muslim League-N, the largest opposition party. "Once we accept the terms of this bill and we start receiving aid under it, already great American influence will grow."

A Parliament discussion of the issue began on a fiery note Wednesday night, with PML-N lawmaker Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan claiming "each and every page of the bill is reflective of the insulting attitude towards Pakistan."

The military's statement was vague. It said senior commanders, including the army chief, "expressed serious concern regarding clauses (of the bill) impacting on national security." But it also referred to the parliament's deliberation on the subject, which it said would allow "the government to develop a national response."

The statement came after local media reports signaling military displeasure with the bill.

One part of the bill says the U.S. must assess the extent of control Pakistan's government has over the military, including its budgets, the chain of command and top promotions. In a country that has spent about half its 62-year existence under military rule, such language may not go down well with the army.
Cyril Almeida, a columnist for Dawn newspaper, said it was unusual to see the military view publicized so blatantly, and that could lead to greater tension with the Pakistani president, causing political instability at a time the U.S. needs Islamabad to stay focused on battling militants.

The debate comes as the army stepped up preparations for a new offensive in South Waziristan seen as al-Qaida and the Taliban's major stronghold on the Afghan border in what could be one of the most important operations against militants here since 2001.

"God willing, peace will again be restored in the area through a successful operation," Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, the army's chief spokesman, told the ARY news channel.

He did not give a start date for an offensive, which would face steep challenges, ranging from harsh terrain to well dug-in militants. Analysts say 10,000 well-armed militants, including foreign fighters, are in the region.

Pakistan's government and the U.S. embassy on Wednesday defended the aid bill, while Pakistan Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira said the government will look into the army's reservations.

Opposition leaders object to a number of items in the bill, including references to the southwest city of Quetta and eastern town of Muridke as militant hubs a claim they say there is no evidence to back up.

The U.S. believes the Afghan Taliban's top leadership is in Quetta, while Muridke is a base for militants linked to attacks on India.

The Quetta reference in particular could be seen as potentially giving latitude for the U.S. to launch missile strikes into Pakistan's southwest, something that would infuriate Pakistanis already unhappy with such attacks in the northwest region.

Language in the bill that says the U.S. will expect Pakistan to cooperate in efforts to dismantle nuclear weapons supplier networks alarms some because it suggests Pakistan provide "direct access to Pakistani nationals associated with such networks."

Aside from specifics, critics say the bill paints Pakistan as a misbehaved child needing a monitor, and does not give it enough praise for the sacrifices and progress it has made against militants on its soil.

"The tone and tenor of the bill in terms of conditionalities is not just intrusive, it's also overbearing and bordering on the humiliation of Pakistan," said Mushahid Hussain, a leader of the Pakistan Muslim League-Q. "We are not being treated kindly."

Gerald Feierstein, the deputy chief of the U.S. mission in Islamabad, dismissed the notion that the U.S. was trying to interfere in Pakistani affairs.

"Our viewpoint is that this should not be a discussion about the conditions, it should be a discussion about what this legislation can accomplish for Pakistan," he told The Associated Press in a phone interview. "It has the U.S. and Pakistan working together on trying to address the relevant challenges confronting Pakistan health, education, transportation, energy."

Farahnaz Ispahani, a top aide to Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari, insisted the standards presented by the bill were reasonable and that the language had actually been softened through the various versions.

"If the government feels at any point that this is intrusive to the sovereignty of Pakistan, it can say 'No, thank you,' and walk away from the aid," she said, declining to comment on the reported displeasure within the army.

Almeida said that no matter what, in the end, Pakistan was unlikely to reject billions of dollars in U.S. assistance. The economic needs of the country are simply too great.

"There'll be a lot of noise, but at the end of the day the bill is about giving Pakistan money, and we need money and we're probably going to take the money, but we're going to do in a way which suggests that we're taking it under protest," Almeida said.

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Associated Press writers Zarar Khan and Munir Ahmad contributed to this report.




MSantor - October 13, 2009 07:04 PM (GMT)
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ISLAMABAD An audacious weekend assault by Islamic militants on Pakistan's army headquarters is again raising fears of an insurgent attack on the country's nuclear weapons installation. Pakistan has sought to protect its nuclear weapons from attack by the Taliban or other militants by storing the warheads, detonators and missiles separately in facilities patrolled by elite troops.

Analysts are divided on how secure these weapons are. Some say the weapons are less secure than they were five years ago, and Saturday's attack would show a "worrisome" overconfidence by the Pakistanis.

While complex security is in place, much depends on the Pakistani army and how vulnerable it is to infiltration by extremists, said a Western government official with access to intelligence on Pakistan and its nuclear arsenal, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

Analysts say a more realistic scenario would involve militant sympathizers getting work as scientists at the facilities and passing information to extremists.

"It's not thought likely that the Taliban are suddenly going to storm in and gain control of the nuclear facilities," said Gareth Price, head of the Asia program at London think tank Chatham House. "There are enough command-and-control mechanisms in place to prevent that."

A U.S. counterproliferation official in Washington said strong safeguards are in place and there is no reason to believe the nuclear arsenal is in imminent jeopardy of seizure by militants.

The official, who commented on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the matter publicly, said there is a major difference between attacking a nuclear site and actually seizing and using the nuclear material stored inside.

Security at Pakistan's isolated nuclear installations is believed to be significantly higher than at the army headquarters, which was relatively relaxed by the standards of other nations. Thousands of people and vehicles enter the headquarters compound in Rawalpindi daily, and the 10 attackers, while able to take dozens of hostages Saturday and kill 14 people before a commando raid ended the siege, never penetrated to the heart of the complex.

Pakistan is estimated to have between 70 and 90 warheads, according to Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project of the Federation of American Scientists.

Shaun Gregory, an expert on Pakistani security at the University of Bradford in Britain, said militants have struck near an air base in Sargodha, where nuclear missiles are believed to be stored, and the Wah cantonment, where missiles that could carry nuclear weapons are believed to be assembled. He added that the attacks did not appear to have targeted nuclear weapons.

Pakistan uses armed forces personnel to guard nuclear weapons facilities, and it physically separates warhead cores from their detonation components, Gregory wrote in the July issue of The Sentinel, the monthly journal of the Combating Terrorism Center.

The components are stored in protected underground sites. The warheads themselves are electronically locked to ensure that they cannot be detonated even if they fall in terrorists' hands, Gregory said.

The Pakistan military carefully screens and monitors the officers vested with protecting the warheads, drawing them almost exclusively from Punjabi officers who are considered to have fewer links to religious extremists or with the Pashtun area of Pakistan, where the Taliban garners much of its support.

No action or decision involving a nuclear weapon can be undertaken by fewer than two persons. But Gregory acknowledged the possibility of collusion between cleared officers and extremists.

The personnel assigned to sensitive nuclear posts go through regular background checks conducted by Pakistan's intelligence services, according to a 2007 article in the journal Arms Control, co-written by Naeem Salik, a former top official at Pakistan's National Command Authority, which oversees the nuclear arsenal.

"It is being acknowledged by the world powers that the system has no loopholes," Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, a military spokesman, said Monday. "The system is foolproof, as good and bad as their own systems."

The U.S. and the British governments agree there is little risk of a weapon falling into militants' hands.

In London, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said there is no evidence "that has been shown publicly or privately of any threat to the Pakistani nuclear facilities, said.

Gregory said in an e-mail to The Associated Press that he did not share Miliband's assertion, adding that "there is plenty of evidence of threat."

Individuals in the Pakistan military have colluded with al-Qaida in providing safe houses for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and individuals in Pakistan's civil nuclear sector have met with al-Qaida figures, including Osama bin Laden himself, Gregory said.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton dismissed any suggestion militants could overthrow the government and gain control of the nuclear arsenal. "We have confidence in the Pakistani government and military's control over nuclear weapons," she said.

Kristensen said that while U.S. officials have said they have helped Pakistan increase security at its nuclear facilities, "they have not been allowed to go to those sites, so it's something they've had to do remotely."

Saturday's attack "somehow seems to show that the Pakistani military is perhaps a little overly confident" about some of its most important military facilities, he said.

"If a relatively small group of people is able to penetrate into their 'Pentagon,' then it might show something about the overconfidence of the Pakistanis, and that is worrisome it's surprising that they were able to go in there relatively simply," Kristensen said.

He noted that the military headquarters is different from a nuclear facility. "One cannot compare insurgents going into an office building to them going into a nuclear facility for the nation's crown jewels," he added.

While stringent security checks on personnel are meant to prevent militant sympathizers from working at the facilities, Pakistan's nuclear establishment has seen serious leaks of nuclear knowledge and materials by insiders.

Top government scientist A.Q. Khan operated a global black market nuclear network for more than a decade until he was uncloaked by U.S. intelligence. And the CIA has confirmed a meeting between Khan associates and bin Laden before 9/11.

Israel has not taken a formal position on the danger of Pakistan's nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. However, in a parliamentary briefing last year, Defense Minister Ehud Barak mentioned such a scenario as a nightmare for the world, according to security officials speaking on condition of anonymity because the session was closed.

"Pakistan's weapons are less secure today than they were five years ago, and it seems they're even less secure than under the Musharraf government," said Gerald Steinberg, professor of political studies and conflict management at Bar Ilan University in Israel, referring to the previous administration of President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

Steinberg said Israelis are becoming less confident of the U.S. ability to control events and put plans into action that would protect Pakistan's nuclear stockpile.

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Hess reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Jill Lawless in London, Ravi Nessman in Islamabad and George Jahn in Vienna contributed to this report.

MSantor - October 14, 2009 03:41 PM (GMT)
More toys for the Pakistani AF:

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Quote from: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_r...tan-unveil.html

Lockheed Martin Unveils First New F-16 For Pakistan In Ceremony Attended By Air Force Chiefs

FORT WORTH, Texas, October 13th, 2009 -- Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] unveiled the first of 18 new F-16s being produced for Pakistan in ceremonies today at its Fort Worth, Texas, facility. Officials including the Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. and Pakistan Air Forces were on hand to witness the event.

Air Chief Marshal Rao Quamar Suleman, Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force (PAF), accepted the first F-16 Block 52 aircraft on behalf of his nation. Also present were Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's Ambassador to the United States, and other senior officials.

The U.S. government was represented by Rep. Kay Granger, Texas 12th District, and Gen. Norton Schwartz, Chief of Staff of the Air Force.

"Peace Drive is the flagship of modernization for Pakistan's Air Force. It is the latest configuration of the best 4th generation multirole fighter available in the world today," said John Larson, vice president of F-16 programs for Lockheed Martin.

The aircraft order is designated as "Peace Drive I," continuing a long tradition of naming F-16 international sales programs with the word Peace. The program raises the total number of F-16s ordered by Pakistan to 54. The Pakistan Air Force received its first F-16, in the Block 15 F-16A/B configuration, in 1982. Pakistan has been operating Lockheed Martin aircraft since 1963, when it received C-130B airlifters.

The Peace Drive I order is for 12 F-16Cs and six F-16Ds, all powered by the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 engine. The first aircraft a two-seat F-16D model will be delivered to the U.S. government (as agent for Pakistan in the Foreign Military Sales process) in December, with the remainder following in 2010.

The F-16 is the choice of 25 nations. More than 4,400 aircraft have been delivered worldwide from assembly lines in five countries. The F-16 program has been characterized by unprecedented international cooperation among governments, air forces and aerospace industries. Major upgrades to all F-16 versions are being incorporated to keep the fleet modern and fully supportable over the aircraft's long service life.

Headquartered in Bethesda, Md., Lockheed Martin is a global security company that employs about 140,000 people worldwide and is principally engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture, integration and sustainment of advanced technology systems, products and services. The corporation reported 2008 sales of $42.7 billion.

F-16 is a registered trademark of Lockheed Martin Corp.





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