if in time of war, would there be enough weapons to arm the reservists???

would it be:

"the one with the rifle shoots! the one without follows him...if the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who's following picks up the rifle and shoots!"

just like sa enemy at the gates..hehe

The marines recently resurrected a bunch of M-3s which were taken from the naval reserve armories. This suggests that that the AFP does have something up its sleeve

http://www.timawa.net/m3/m3gen2.htm

Might not be enough but we can always go back to our trusted bolos and ginuntings and strat from there. :armywink:

My parents always say the China's PLA will die laughing if they ever invade the Philippines because of what kind of weapons we have. (I know this doesn't apply to the whole AFP, especially the Scout Rangers, but this point kinda applies to the reservists and our F5As).

awkie.. u forgot to mention the humble arnis.. hehe.. :drunk:

anyway, gunsmiths in danao might be of good help. almost everyone can make their own guns - pinoy pa! my uncle hired one and he made a homemade shotgun complete with a wooden stock (i dont know what kind of wood), and a magazine! it looks a lot like an M14 kung sa malayo.. it's also a bolt-action weapon. i laughed when i saw it while at the same time im impressed by the ingenuity. that shotgun was actually used during the MILF offensive in my uncle's home in maigo, lanao del norte (may 2003).


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The CAFGUs are also classified as reservists. Even if they do use older equipment, remember, Israel kicked Arab butt during the war in the 60's and 70's while still using equipment that was over 30 years old.

Given that reservists are more often than not military enthusiasts as well, I wouldn't be surprised if the some of the better off (or who live in dangerous circumstances) have personal equipment that rival, if not exceed, the quality of equipment in the regular force.

My dad, who was an officer in the '80's, told me that the armories probably won't hold a long term supply if we are to go to war. More than likely, our reservists will have to fend off "enemy supplies" once the initial batch of supplies are depleted.

I don't know about the situation now.

He's probably right. From what little that I know most of those kept in armories for such cases aren't maintained in good condition too. Plus, the ammo situation would very well be a problem. But that doesn't mean that we'll be a pushover if the ChiComs will ever attack us by conventional means. There are enough unregistered firearms and gunfreaks abound in our shores.

And its also the very reason why I'm keeping close in hand the designs for the Sten SMG.

Aside from those far-off weapons like Stens and Greaseguns, there are a lot more old weapons the AFP has at their disposal.

First, you have those Elisco M16A1s. Some were sold off through proper channels to local security companies. Some were also sold off to various groups (even insurgents) on the black market. A few are used for training purposes by the Major Services and their Reserve units (ROTC and CAFGUs included). A lot more are in storage.

Older weapons like M3 SMGs, M1 Garands, M14s and M1 Carbines also lie in storage.

Meron rin tayong local version ng Ruger Mini 14. Ito yun ginamit namin sa ROTC during drill exercises kasi radio man kami at ang bigat na kapag Garand dinala namin (hindi kami makasabay agad sa rest ng formation). Marami pa rin tayong Thompsons at naka-seal pa nga sila. Mga revolvers natin nabubulok lang sa armory namin sa probinsya. Pati yun 105mm kung pwede nga lang hatakin para i-display sa bahay gagawin namin kasi flat na ang gulong at mataas na ang talahib sa paligid niya.

Pero hindi pa tayo dapat mag-alala. Yun loko kong klasmeyt na itinapon sa China ay nagkalat ng lagim noon. Naalala ninyo ba yun sinunog na bayan sa Mindanao? Ipinagmalaki ng loko kasi na walang sinabi ang martial arts ng mga klasmeyt niya na Chinese, Japanese at Korean (yun mga Westerners syempre nakikinig lang). Dito raw kasi sa Pinas gun freaks ang karamihan at mas uunahin pa ang baril bago sa asawa (well, that's true especially down south). At sinabayan pa kasi ng kwento tungkol sa pinsan ko na nag CAFGU. Kasi namin si insan ay kainuman yun bayaw niya na pulis, kabarkadang sundalo, NPA at Moro rebel (huwag na ninyo ako tanungin bakit umiinom ang Moro na yun at di ko rin alam kung bakit). Lumalabas tuloy na puro warfreak ang mga Pinoy. Kaya nang inimbitahan niya sila na dito magbakasyon ay obvious na lahat tumanggi. At balak pa naman ipakidnap ng mokong kong kaibigan :armygrin:

Plus, its also why its important that the local martial arts be supported. Kahit hindi forced on schools. Ok na na promoted siya by sports and officials as a good way to keep healthy and self-defense. At important rin na gawin itong national sport imbes na sipa (comments on this please as plan ko rin to drop it as a suggestion to our senators).

:armytwisted:

The main problem is that if they go unconventional. As I had pointed out in another thread, we would not last as a nation within 24 hours if the ChiComs attack us that way. We have no prepared defenses against their missiles. No long-range detection gear or alternates (I've an idea or two but am still writing them down). No interceptors too both for air and sea borne attackers. Plus, our medical situation is so grim so how can we survive a chemical and bio-weapon attack. And there is not even a drill nor a posted direction even on where to go when reserves are called into action. We should, at this point, even at the very least know what weapon we will be handling in such an eventuallity, how many ammo will we be issued, what gears will be given or needed to be brought, etc.

Most likely, it'll be a chaotic situation similar to those alien invasion and war movies.

ur probably right, but if the time comes i doubt we would hold out organized long enough. but a sustained guerilla warfare would harass the enemy as long as they're here. the problem with guns is no problem at all, considering the ingenuity of the filipinos. the sumpak may be too crude and too unsafe to the shooter but it can still kill. the pillbox (karburo wrapped with foil and loaded with rocks and nails) can also make a good grenade. the indyan pana is the simplest. the blow gun. fertilizer bombs. the bolo. molotov cocktail. rocks. boulders for roadblock. what the heck? in times like it, one would surely use anything just to throw at those stinking commies, push them back to their stinking home, make them feed their pandas and make rubber dragons in toyshops instead..

no matter how well armed we may be, we would still be outnumbered. but being outnumbered doesnt mean being outfought. basically we should be at least one step ahead, more advantageous than the enemy. but the truth is, we're still a few leaps behind. so dream's over. i better get back to sleep. its getting late its 2am na.

:patrioticpinoy: pinok kaw ay pinoy, ipakita sa mundo kung anong kaya mooo!

If an aggressor invaded, I wonder how they'd handle Basilan, Jolo, Lanao, etc? If they're smart, they'd promise to grant Bangsa Moro independence to get the MNLF / MILF on their side. The AFP would then have to contend with forces both within and outside the country.

ahh.. lanao del norte, my home.. the chinese would not think twice about taking lanao - esp my iligan where napocor is located (supplying electric power to the whole mindanao main island), and several factories like cement, steel, and food industries, not to mention a strategic base for military operations. but the concentration of muslims here proved this place to be highly volatile. during the second world war, japs did not even dare set up their own quarters around here (according to my granma) bcos they fear moro guerillas who are just as suicidal as they are. the nearest japanese post here is 90 miles away at cagayan de oro which is now lumbia airport and the del monte pineapple plantation.

Hmmm. Pwede kaya maghanda na tayo ng gear natin para when we get called up (sana never) ay baril na lang ang kulang? Payagan kaya yun? Baka pag tawagin tayo parang mga Somalians dun sa Black Hawk Down. Tinawag lahat dun sa palengke ng mga baril at isa isa binigyan ng armas. Pero walang training man lang kaya kahit papaano na lang bumaril at dumiskarte.

o di kaya ung sa enemy at the gates... binigyan sila ng rifle at ang iba ung ibinigay ang ammo clips lang... hihihi. dapat sundin mo ung me baril para pag tumba sya kunin mo baril nya at, ayun pwede ka nang lumaban! di ka pa pwedeng maka atras kc papatayin ka ng commander mo.

Well just like in the U.S., there are many militia freaks in our country. Collecting equipments and weapons more than the allowed number by law from legal and illegal sources. Getting the latest know-how in defense issues keeping themselves updated. Parang dito... :armyroleyes:

Why would anyone invade us in the first place? :whogives:

Commando, the first word of the thread is "if".

yeheyyy...commando is back again :armyLol:

:aberet: it's gonna take a long time for me to become a full colonel...

if there would be an invasion, for sure we'd loose if we choose to face them in a conventional battlefield, wherein in equipments and numbers really count. i think the best way to fight invaders is by establishing guerilla fronts similar in WW2, let them come and give them hell on earth. it's very hard to defeat a guerilla force, even identifying them is already difficult. besides, our natural terrain favors this kind of tactics.

unless the agressors would use nukes but that is a totally different story.

it's very hard to defeat a guerilla force. :agree:

even the US troops are having a hard time dealing with guerillas in iraq and afghanistan. same is true during the vietnam war.

but nuclear weapons? no foreign aggressor would be smart enough to use nukes against a 100-man band of guerillas.

If they would use nukes there would be no point in taking over the nuked territory, unless of course if they just want the wasteland to dump things. :armyroleyes:

BTW, happy new year everyone! :patrioticpinoy:

Best question would be,

How ready are we?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5253868.stm

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=3379

If the Finns can do it, much more can we. Although we should not be complacent. remember, we have defense treaties with USA, defense pacts with India, etc. and many more defense pacts. Let's just be prudent in not choosing a belligerent partner.

What I'm emphasizing is how would the AFP call it Reserves? (Media, Tel/Cell, etc.)
Where would the Reservist report to?
How updated are the Records of the AFP?
Time frame they could activate a unit after mobilization?

This questions crop up in my mind when the calls for assistance on how to evacuate our OFWs was raised. The AFP short of equipments and assets could not do anything. The PCG ever willing, it's capabilities were put into question. It took a lot of convincing and a couple of days before private corporations pledge to support the gov't.

Same goes during calamities. It takes some days before gov't and the AFP could react except for those within the vicinity of bases.

But this could be different if we have Ready Reserve units in all cities, towns and municipalities. I remember there was a move to even have them on the barangay level, but what happened? New OIC, new projects? :dunno:

Big word if, but IF a WW2-like invasion does happen (from anyone, that is)...

...Most politicians, rich people, upper middle class, etc. would take the first avaliable boat/airplane out of the country.
...Those that can't get out of the country will try to get out of the invasion force's way.
...The AFP (those that are left) will call-up all reserves and arm them with whatevers in our armories (WW2-era guns included) then...
...the Army, with soldiers from the Navy (no ships) and Air Force (no planes) fighting as infantry, will fight a delaying action UNTIL help arrives in the form of ASEAN, UN or US forces. Why do you think we have all those mutual defense treaties with other countries for?

Hmm.. its like WW2 all over again. Only this time, we don't have to wait 3 years to get rid of the invaders...hopefully.

This accurate enough?

the finn reservists, like the swiss - are always ready - as a matter of fact, they have their assault rifles, ammo and essential kit in their HOMES ready for any eventuality, now compare that to our reservist stance.

:exactly: as how the Israelis defends their kibbutzes.

The Finns called on US to assist them when USSR invaded them. "Mayday, mayday, SOS or whatever". US's decison? We have no defense treaty with you. Sorry.

This news just made me think of similar situations that often happens to our country.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...MNGUSPNM2O1.DTL

Imagine, a country that is complete with all the equipments, still, delay in response time happens.

Caterwaul,

Letting civilian-reservists have their rifles and ammo in their homes might be OK for people in northern Europe (Finland, Switzerland, etc.) or in Israel pero hindi pwede itong scenario sa Pinas.

Just look at the papers during this ongoing election period. Ilang dosenang tao na ang napatay?

With so many of our people unemployed and underemployed, what do you think will happen if these same poor people had M-16's in their homes?

Something to remember about

http://www.corregidor.org/chs_41-42/from_s..._corregidor.htm

Learning the skills when its no longer a drill.

I think there are enough weapons stocks in all AFP reserve centers to arm READY RESERVE OFFICERS AND SOLDIERS in time of war. What I'm not sure of is whether they could arm standby and retired reserves.

Here is how the U.S. sees their situation at present.

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/78860/US-milit...attack---report

This is the U.S., with all their fundings, but still is not at par to expectations.

As I see it now CAFGUs are just being used as mercenary units for local politicians.

Next time we are in trouble I hope the Finns will come to our rescue......

Let's call the mangkukulams, aswangs, manananggals, kapres, and others to help us win the war