The Simba is the current workhorse of the AFP, if in case the government plans to refurbish/uparmor/rearm the Simbas, what will be your suggestions?

change the turret. make it 50 cal and 40mm AGL turret like the ones used in V150/300 apc's. add-on armor, 90mm turret, make it fully night capable. :thumb: (or is it already :dunno: )

Check on datu's post here :thumb:

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=1789&st=15&#last

Spiderwebb Malaysian Simbas:

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=1931&st=30

Malaysia did not have Simba. But what they have is Condor form Germany and Sibmas from Belgium which look like Ratel from South Africa

before you start throwing all that stuff in it, there may be a need to upgrade the engine. the chaimite, piranha, v-150 are all at over 20 bhp/ton. simba is at 18bhp/ton. find a suitable engine first, then you can add armor, guns, etc but dont forget the need to beef up the suspension. might have to add a remote tire pressure changing system to allow for the different terrain conditions plus a heavier duty generator to run the turret and other stuff for the 90mm. at this point it may be cheaper to get a newer system and use the simba as is for urban conflicts. need to look into this a little more...

the link below shows the original british configuration of the "Simba AFSV" in which, it was acquired by our government. Details includes also the market price of the original GKN Simba AFSV.

http://www.pmulcahy.com/wheeled_lcv/british_wlcv.htm
http://www.nasog.net/datasheets/armour/4/GKN_Simba_APC.htm

must upgrade the armor, night vision camera's,communication equipment,90 mm turret will be placed with 50 caliber machine gun, "rocket dipenser?" and it should have a medical evac version of the GKN simba APC since the DND have a project of protecting the WIA personnel in the batle field.

have anti-aircraft version of the SIMBA's for home Defense purposes maybe possible.

SIMBA W/90MM GUN

SIMBA W/TOW MISSILE LAUNCHER

more pics at http://www.armyrecognition.com

:dunno: what's the status of the PA's SIMBA fleet anyway? any feedback on its service history, performance in the field, opinion of our troops, any weaknesses exposed in combat? did the V-shaped "mine-resistant" hull prove itself in practice?

be careful of sources. from the faq section of http://www.pmulcahy.com/


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My idea of improving the Simbas is to rearm and put a NATO 105mm Gun with good fire control system in order to make it a perfect assault vehicle. Other modification is to put Infrared equipment, so Simbas can move in total darkness and hit the target effectively at night.

Increase the power of its engine to compensate the load it will carry due to the mounting of powerful NATO gun 105mm. Peace to all.

Simba with 105mm gun? i'm sure it's not posible not even with the lightweight 105mm gun.....if you think it's posible then how?

The Kalakian is the improvement of the Simba. Improvements include some of those discussed here already. Bigger size for more weapons, fuel capacity and added armor, which may have its drawbacks in top-weight considerations. Kalakian has the new turret with 40mm/.50calHMG combination, and an extra 7.62MG in the back , instead of the regular Simba .50calber turret. The Kalakian has 2 side doors instead of 1. The Kalakian has a 250BHP egine while the Simba has a 210BHP engine. The Kalakian has 12mm of armor, Simba has 8mm or armor. The 20 delivered for testing and development, wait until the PA decieds if they want to order more with some modifications.

My upgrade that I want to see on the Simba and maybe even some on Kalakian hulls are more of the versions armed with FVT925 turret with 25mm gun, info shown here.. More powerful than a .50cal.



...and yes, maybe some of the 90mm gun versions.

doesn't the KALAKIAN project involve building an entirely new vehicle from the ground up, as opposed to modding an existing hull like an M113 or the SIMBA proposed here? :dunno:

Kalakian dimensionally is a larger Simba design. But the problem that should be corrected is i think the same suspension system used on the Simba, which might there might be some top-weight problems considering the heavier weight. But then i could be wrong and it is a new suspension.

Pics of the Kalakian from Opus site. Compare the changes to the Simba.




---note new turret, extra M-60, 2 side doors a noticeable feature. also note the weapons turret is more forward of the vehicle than the Simba.

:aberet: so KALAKIAN doesn't involve a "refurbish/uparmor/rearm" of an existing SIMBA hull, and since I doubt you're implying that Steel Craft recycled old SIMBA chassis, KALAKIAN is an all-new vehicle, regardless of its inspiration.

so the question remains, is it possible to mod the PA's existing SIMBA fleet with the upgrades listed here?

or is the KALAKIAN project an indirect admission that envisioned "improvements" to the SIMBA's capabilities are only available with an entirely-new vehicle?

change the turret, make the simba a SAM carrier just like this one...

If you think it's not possible, then it will never be. There is always a way as long you believe its possible. Advances in technology right now makes things POSSIBLE.

How about LAV 600 or AMX-RC with 105 mm. Peace to all.

Why do you think its not just possible?

More of these will be great.



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---Simba with a modified mount armed with 40mmAGL. One little thing however, whoever shoots it is going to be exposed.

On another note, i never knew british criticized the Simba sale citing the old "human rights violations" line. Some British MPs actually suggested an end-user agreement for the use of Simbas, much like British end-user agreement with Indonesia for the use of Hawks.

Example:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/c...45/10425a06.htm

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http://www.parliament.the-stationery-offic...xt/10709-18.htm

edwin: i think the Simba, unlike the AMX-10RC and the LAV-600, is so small to adopt the 105 mm gun turret. perhaps a 76 mm gun turret is more suited to the Simba than a 105 mm (i hope someone can clarify this).

datu: will it still be possible for the Philippines to license-produce additional Simbas for the Army and the PNP or should the Philippines resort to either locally-developed vehicles like the Kalakian or foreign-made wheeled armored vehicles like the BMR-600, Pandur II or Piranha III?

What improvement I want at this point for the Simba is to make track adapters to it if possible or make a new Kalakian prototype that can be converted from tracked to wheeled and vice-versa. I believe there is such a type being used by a foreign army. The turret and add-on armor can follow next as these are easier to mod on anyway.

israeli

Buy another license to produce X number of Simbas from BAeLS maybe? Sure, but why do that when the Kalakian is already being developed. The Simba has shortcomings and is corrected in the Kalakian, more firepower, thicker armor, bigger engine etc. Just develop the Kalakian instead. Also fix problems that could arise on the Kalakian like if it arises the probably with the top-weight problems. This was a good job for the PA going local, not having to worry about foreign spares supply, rising inflation, people screaming "human rights violations". But if the PA has funds that would allow it to license produce other vehicles thats different. The PA's wheeled vehicles are doing okay, the tracked vehicles however are being neglected, with many vehicles badly needing overhauls and upgrades. But that is for another thread. :btt:

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SEP modular vehicle
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/sep/

Israeli,
If that is the case then SIMBA is limited only up to 90mm gun or other smaller caliber than 105mm. In my thoughts those SIMBA or V-150 can adapt more powerful gun since they can also be converted to SAM Vehicles(Correct me if Im wrong on this).

Maybe, there are some Defense contractor that will do the Job and mount 105mm in the chassis of Simba.

Just my idea of being possible for the improvement of our SIMBA, if PA have enough funds and insist the specification to put more powerful gun than usual.

Thanks comrade for correction. Peace to all.

how about making 6X6/8X8 wheeled versions of the simba apc.
so they can carry more troops and heavy armaments :armywink:

try this one...

upgrades

:agree: Datu,

Kalakian is already a good upgrade of a Simba. And the real thing is that we must look into is, on how to deal with the arising problem of the KALAKIAN in the future and also how to improve its possible suspesion problems.

The topweight problem of the SIMBA should be taken to consideration in mounting a 90 mm turret. and the considering also the operational environment.

Datu,

Is it possible that the KALAKIAN version of the SIMBA's can be fitted with Over head Weapon Station specifically 25 mm cannon with anti-tank missiles? I've seen this some pic's in which rafael is making a light weight overhead weapon station.

Link: http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/sma...ms/ows/OWS.html

Another Simba or more precisely Kalakian improvement I want to see are air-droppable models.

Possibly the OWS, but i dont know about missiles -for budgetary reasons-. The Simbas with FVT925 turrets has the whole gun/turret system weighing in at 1400KG, that OWS with 25mm gun weighs in at 1000KG. That smaller version with the 7.62 or .50cal would be great.


---One concern however is that the ammunition is all external and is exposed, especially the 7.62 and .50cal versions in which in a reloading situation someone will have to go out of the protected hull and reload ammunition. Its lightweight yes but firing is limited on who wants to reload the ammo. While in a turret all is protected but the turret is bulky and adds weight. A tradeoff?

New Protected Weapons Station
--Still exposed ammunition station.

Question. What about the 152mm tech used on the Sheridans? Can't we adopt the tech they used for such a light tank to fire such a gun? I'm not much adept in gun making but could we possibly adapt recoil tech such as those used in howitzers to make light platforms like the Simba and Kalakian be able to fire large calibre guns? We could also look into the Russian tech as their anti-aircraft guns are also meant to be used for anti-tank roles. There must be something that we could pick and learn from those to suit our needs.

The real issue when it comes to the application of another weapon system in Simba was to Top weight problem. on this field, we are the lone user of this for battle purposes so its up to us to convert or study the suitable weaponry that is best for the Simba. Variants will be a great addition to the Simba family like the TOW and medical version.

we were going to our farm last week when we we were overtaken uphill two Simbas returning to camp from the city, one has some sort of extension at the front with heavy chains attached, what is this contraption for?

i also noticed that the wheels have no more treads, as in kalbo na talaga... :armysad:

hmmmm.....some sort of mine-clearing device most probably...

as for the bald tires, at least they get replaced with a new set during Independence Day parade :drunk:

How to improve the Simba, with readily available weaponry:


Ref: SdKfz 232 - Mount an screen-covered open-topped turret mounting a 20mm MG or 40mm AGL with a co-ax .30 Browning or FN Mag; or

Ref: StuG 40 - Assault Simba, mounting a Yugo 105mm mountain gun on limited traverse; or

Ref: Rooikat/Centauro - with Israeli 60mm HVLP main gun.

well its a war in a can maybe just add new armor and weapons on it like a Gatling gun and missile launcher or roket launcher and 250mm rapid-fire gun wow now thats A TANK a filipino tank light but packs a punch like manny pacman !!!