guys, how many are left of the M113 FSVs with the scorpion turret?

:armyeek: meron ba? ilan ang nagawa?

This one

:armyeek: Is that some kind of applique armor on the side of that M113?

only in the phils... :thumb: wooden applique armor to predetonate B40 warheads.

the wooden applique armor was not meant for B40 warheads but for locally made MILF RPG-2 rockets that do not have a penetrating rod and thus cannot produce a CE[Chemical Energy]/"Monroe effect"/shaped-charge. The MILF mad round relies on a HE-frag effect to penetrate armor. :rifle:

If Im not mistaken, B40 and RPG-2 launchers are designations of the same weapon.

B40 po ang bala ng RPG-2 but their are many kinds of RPG-2 rounds. I have seen many kinds of MILF rounds[locally made and imported.

In short B40 is just one of the rounds of the RPG-2

Ang MILG may B40 rin[smuggled].

bat hindi wrap around ang wooden applique na yan?

mahirap na pre baka ma-illegal logging

Other variants of the M113 as operated by the Norwegian Army:
Ambulance

Mine Roller

Mortar Carrier

Weapons/Ammo Carrier



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Simpleng kahon lang ang design ng M113 kaya madaling i modify.

http://www.army.mil.ph/2ndSLC2005/ampmo_mod_update.htm

Some of the PA's best assets are the M-113 and AIFV vehicles. Wear and tear has taken a toll on the fleet and alot of them are in need of either replacement or overhaul and upgrade. Some things to consider is the costs, and the costs to the country in particular. So here are some companies that provide upgrade programs for M-113s.

Daewoo's KIFV/KAFV series, in different post.

Nurol/FNSS-Turkish company that can upgrade or manufacture M-113s.

*Nurol ACV-300-M-113 but with modifications. Modernization kits available for upgrade of regular M-113 into this standard. Main work done includes:
-steel laminate add-on armour kit-rated to offer protection from 14.5mm ammunition.
-a 300 hp Detroit Diesel 6V53T engine and Allison X200-4 cross drive transmission.
*weapons and optics can wait for now, but maybe some night fighting optics.
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors...ured/fmc_nurol/

...the PA's armored recovery vehicles were bought from Turkey, maybe from this company.





Eurenco Armor Upgrade-
*mainly an armor upgrade bot thorough refurbishment. Armor upgrade includes
-Add-on armor for M-113 that is tested to defeat RPG-7.

http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/armoured/snpe/

AOB Technologies-Israel
-Replacement of engine kits
-Suspension replacement
-kit for replacing steering system
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/armoured/aob/




Israel IMI, Rafael-Several upgrades for the M-113 exists.
-L-VAS, Light Vehicle Armor System. Represents the extreme protection, adds 2 tons worth of armor and is capable of defeating 20mm armor piercing and Sagger anti-tank missiles. cost is stated at $75,000 each.


Zelda/Vayzata-armor that replaced early Zelda armor. New Toga armor, made of carbon-steel plates.


German FFG-Full modernization on armor and engine, suspension.
some upgrades include, but not the least:
-Armor upgrade
-Suspension
-compartment upgrade,



http://www.army-technology.com/contractors...index.html#ffg1


Australia-Tenix, yes they sold the PCG ships. Australia contracted Tenix and FFG, see above, for the upgrade of 350 Australian M-113s, for $400million, or about $1.15 million each. work to be done includes:
-EURO III four-stroke DaimlerChrysler-MTU engine and new transmission
-upgrade for improved steering
-new armor upgrade including aplique and spall curtains, mine protection
-new turret from Tenix, and new machine gun, turret has day night targetting
-Modernized seating compartment

http://www.tenix.com/PDFLibrary/137.pdf...but as i said the PA doesnt need this much upgrades, basics first.

Wish we can have the Israeli-made variants.

This version of the M-113 swims, the amphigavins

http://www.geocities.com/armysappersforward/amphigavins.htm

Can be used by the PMC too! :specool:

Guys, I read in Philippine Governance report circa 2003 about AFP Modernization..

One of the items listed therein is the upgrade of M-113 APC. Can somebody clarify or post pics of this alleged Upgraded M-113 APC.

It was made possible under the able tutelage of Sec. Reyes..

Is it really true?

If yes, how many units were upgraded?

Also, please post upgraded V-150 APC..

tnx.

Interesting...Do you have a copy of the report? This is what i got:

PArmy website

---The Armored Recovery Vehicles were delivered from -Nurol?- of Turkey in Feb. 2004. Maybe the upgrade for the M-113s and AIFVs might come next? Probably upgrade kits from Nurol? They use US Detroit engines rather than German engines from Korean examples, Philippines uses older Detroit engines.
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/2926692....A0DC027D61F7FBF
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/2926683....CADBF3299DDD323
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/2926672....E086ECC0DE9BB9A

---Interestingly there was also a thread a while back where the PA already bought monoculars, this could be part of the program. And ofcourse the flawed SAW acquisition. Helmets and vests next?

US$2.8 million=Php150 million in 2001 pesos more or less, a feasible figure if viewed as the first part of a multi-stage upgrade program - unfortunately, according to the AFP Modernization Program Annual Accomplishment Report, the project has been deferred, along with the PAF surface attack aircraft acquisition, F-27 upgrade, S-76 upgrade and the PN's LST upgrade (interestingly, the F-27-500 acquisition is being negotiated directly, obviously because only second-hand airframes are available, for conversion to MPAs perhaps) but this other project did push through

FNSS also has an M113 upgrade on offer. who knows...

Sana yun 105mm FSV model ma-adapt rin natin. Would make one heck of a FSV for our boys especially when they give chase to those malcontents.

I like some of Israel's concept on the M 113A APC upgrades

1. Hovet version of M 113

2. Mugaf version of M 113

3. Zelda version of M 113

Links : http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/veh...m-113/M-113.htm

according to the 2004 Accomplishment Report (p. 15)

M113A3 is the latest build standard of the basic M113 model.

good first step if this pushes through.

---One thing from israelis, heavy protection.

If all else fails, go with sandbags.

hmmmmmmmmm... did the PA M113 upgrade really pushed through? :dunno: :demon:

here are some of the M113 upgrade programs that the PA could possibly avail of:

* Tenix M113 upgrade program
* FFG M113 program
* FNSS M113 upgrade program
* DEW M113 upgrade program
* IMI M113 upgrade program

Since PA has a lot of M-113 APC, its better for them to maximize and upgrade the full potential of M-113 APC, so our Army boys have better mobility, protection and firepower.

If really upgrading of M-113 APC will push thru, better to upgrade M-113-APC in A-3 version with more powerful engine and added protection for the crew. Peace to all.

can someone here provide for the actual number of M113s in PA's inventory and the number of those that might be upgraded. thanks. :salute:


p.s.: how come most of the AIFVs are not to be upgraded? :dunno:

Does anyone know here about the ambulance / medical evac version of the M 113 APC in the AFP ? I read some articles that DND is focusing in the personnel recovery in the battle field specially those who are WIA . How many M 113 have been converted into ambulance version?

Guys, the number and breakdown is already in "possible"'s post.

any pics of PA mortar carriers.. ty :thumb:

Pics of 69 Combat Vehicles and 24 Mortar Carrier pls....

add also the Armored Recovery Vehicles....


tnx so much...



:rifle:

thanks for the reply, datu. i really hope we can get updates and latest photos of those upgraded M113s soon. :ssalute:

There are no pictures as its only a part of future modernization. Upgrades didnt start yet the sad part is the project has been DEFERRED look in "possible"s .pdf file. It has been deferred which may mean temporary basis or "well get back to you in 10 years basis", look at the .pdf file "possible" has, it did mention that Singapore-ST and Turkey-Nurol, through FNSS- as the possible contractors.

Its "deferred" but this is just an imagery to show what they "might" look like

-The Combat Vehicle part is a regular APC version, upgrade to -A3 standard, like what the article said with a 1 meter turret -with possible 40mmAGL/.50cal like those on V-150/V-300-?. The closest picture of an M113 with CG 1-meter turret i can find is a PSG M113 s on Opus's site.


-The Mortar Carrier looks like this:

-81mm mortar


---this image is of a 120mm mortar.


---this is Nurol's 120mm mortar, notice the bulge add-on armor.

The Armored recovery vehicles was however bought, and have already pictures of them, look in the first page of this thread.

But yes "deferred". Sucks yes. :bs:

My wish is to have M-113s and the AIFVs upgraded or regular ones now, equipped with the bulge steel laminated add-on armor kits. Offers protection against 14.5mm AP ammunition. But in order to save money...

Ambulance version



Fitted with 106mm Recoilless Rifle




Scorpion Turret with 76 mm gun


Cadillac Gage T50 turret, fitted with either twin .30 cal Machine Guns or a combination of a .50 cal Machine Gun and a .30 cal weapon.


Denmark :

M 113 Wildcat version .This M113 variant is unique to the Danish Army. It mounts fully rotating turret armed with a 25mm cannon.


Before the advent of the M901 ITV, this was the version of the M113 mounting the TOW missile system. The M113 TOW is still widely used in many countries in preference to the more expensive ITV. The launcher is mounted on a telescoping pedestal in the rear troop compartment. When retracted into the hull, it is virtually impossible to distinguish the vehicle from its APC cousin. The only tell-tale is normally the folding mount for the 50cal MG on the commander's cupola. This vehicle is a Danish example.


M 113 Green archer



USA


CANADIAN Engineering Brigade



M 113 ADATS Version (CANADA)

I think the best way to upgrade M113 should be the Israeli version,since they have a lot of experience on how to deal with terrorism especially on the armor plating.The upgrade would be useless if the mortar or katyusa rockets will struck the M113.It might best to Israeli expertise can handle this problem.

Around the middle of this year, the US Army up-armored several hundred of their M113A3s -- adding bolt-on armor vs 14.5AP, anti-mine belly armor, transparent gunshields -- and anti-RPG slat armor.

i would prefer the upgrade of the ffg for our M113 APC/AIFV fleet:

AIFV with danish-type 25mm turret
M113-mounted 81mm and 106mm mortar (mortar carrier)
standard M113A2/A3 APC
M113-mounted vulcan 20mm AA gun
M113 canadian-type engineering vehicle
M113 recovery vehicle
M113 ambulance
M113 command & control carriers

as per post by our other comrades, it is suggested that the US might provide us with 49 M113 units, sana mangyari 'eto...

ACQUISITION OF UPGRADED M113 APC PROJECT

The project involves the acquisition of Upgraded M113 Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) or its derivaties including ILS. The scope of upgrade will cover the mobility and survivability aspects of the vehicle. Derivaties refer to the types of armored vehicles developed based on the original M113 APC that retains 80% commonality of parts. Ex. M113A3, AIFV, YPR 765, MTVL, etc.

1. The Department of National Defense - Armed Forces of the Philippines (DND-AFP), throught the General Appropriation Act and the AFP Modernization Program Act Trust Fund, intends to apply the sum of ONE HUNDRED FORTY FOUR MILLION PESOS (PHP 144,000,000.00) being the Approved Budget for the Contract (ABC) to payments under the contract for the supply and delivery of Upgraded M113 Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) or its derivatives for the Philippine Army/ Project Nr: AFPMP-PA-08-005-01. Bids received in excess of the ABC shall be automatically rejected at Bid opening.

2. The DND-AFP now invites sealed Bids from eligible Bidders for the estimated SIX (6) UNITS of Upgraded M113 APC or its derivaties. The expected delivery of GOODS or contract duration is 365 CALENDAR DAYS as per Bidding Documents....
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6. The DND/AFP will hold a Pre-Bid Conference open to all interested parties on 25 Janaury 2007 at 1:00pm
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8. Bid Operning shall be on 09 February 2007 at 9:00 A.M. at DND Conference Room, 3rd Floor, DND Bldg., Camp General Emilio Aguinaldo.

9. Only bids from manufacturers or their duly authorized representatives of the aforementioned system / equipment will be entertained.

Sept 2004 since this topic of upgrading the M113 came into being and finally, morethan 2 years later we are looking forward to the realization of what we have been discussing here...yehey!

at last! the variants and upgrades of M113s posted by jammerjamessky above shoud be taken into consideration by the AFP

:thumb: