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Pendejo - September 13, 2005 05:55 PM (GMT)
Would you allow Marcos to be buried at the Libingan ng Mga Bayani?

possible - September 13, 2005 06:50 PM (GMT)
woe to the nation that this man betrayed it when he was alive. shame on it if we still allow him to fool us now that he's dead.

flipzi - September 14, 2005 01:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (possible @ Sep 14 2005, 02:50 AM)
woe to the nation that this man betrayed it when he was alive. shame on it if we still allow him to fool us now that he's dead.

Betrayed us?

Who among those who followed him did not? :drunk:

In fact more and more people are saying ... "mas mabuti pa nung panahon ni Marcos kaysa sa ngayun".

Who were so happy when he got kicked out?

The commies lang naman diba and his political detractors?

The point here is that it's about time we lay to rest this issue so that we can move on. :armywink:

BTW, i voted YES. :thumb:

Pero i would suggest resting him in a mausoleum within a park, especiallly created for him, in Ilocos Norte where other people can enjoy seeing his tomb. He can be assured that no commie-inclined mind would dare desecrate his tomb.

The park may also put up a Museum displaying his memorabilia and his accomplishments for the nation and his colorful life.

That park will even serve as a tourism attraction in Ilocos Norte.

I hope a governor or a lawmaker in Ilocos Norte will think of that idea. :thumb:

Bongbong Marcos can do this, sicne he is the incumbent and there's not much tourist destinations in Ilocos Norte aside from Fort Ilocandia and the beaches farther north like in Pagudpud.

jammerjamesky - September 14, 2005 06:20 AM (GMT)
Let him be place as where is he is placed right now. Libingan ng mga bayani is a public cemetery but it is for the people who fought for the freedom of the country and etc.

In the qualification to be rest him in the Libingan ng mga bayani shows that he is not qualified because is has so many cases which are plunder, human rights violation and others.

No sense to talk about them Rep. Imee Marcos was merely showing her disperation that she want her father to be buried there.In fact, they are not qualified.

saling - September 14, 2005 07:20 AM (GMT)

Let us put to rest this issue. Marcos was once a good president. :closed:

arvcab - September 14, 2005 07:36 AM (GMT)
burying him in libingan ng mga bayani is the same thing as forgetting all his crimes, I say NO WAY... :headbang: [B]

Wushu - September 14, 2005 03:41 PM (GMT)
i vote no.... if makoy gets buried in libingan, it just proves that pinoys have very short memories....

people who say that things were better under marcos say it for the same reason some people still say that things were "better" under the americans or spaniards or before modern technology.....

short memories, or romanticizing the past....

by the way, putting marcos in libingan is like painting a big bull's eye on the cemetery, a very juicy target just waiting to be vandalized..... imelda should remind herself of the fate of makoy's bust in ilocandia....

take it from the ilocanos... according to the news, sila nga gusto doon na lang sa batac ilibing.... ang nagpipilit lang naman ay si imelda and company....



cactus jack - September 14, 2005 08:32 PM (GMT)
Nakng pucha! :headbang: Kaya nagkakalecheleche ang bansa natin e. We have no sense of remorse for being nincompoops for a long long time. Sa mga gustong hukayin at iburol ang dakilang magnanakaw at dictatdor sa Libingan ng Bayani, mabuti pa siguro sumama na din kayong magpaburol para mabawasbawasan ang problema ng bayan. :specool:

Oh, it is as if we are not so f****d up already, try considering these---- were will you get the money to pay for this fV@ck!*g funeral ASSuming for the sake of argument this pushes through? Ninakaw na niya at ang mga galamay at tuta niya ang kaban ng bayan at baon tayo sa UTANG! From your pocket? From the pauper across the street? From my pocket? Hell no, not my meager paycheck!
E yung mga bumoto para sa panukala na ito, ayus ayusin ninyo kasi kayo ang magaabono! May utang pa ang bansa pati na ang maga apo ninyo sa tuhod, paparangalin mo pa ang :demon: ito? Tsk tsk tsk. But I assure you and you young turks here who merely have heard of who Marcos is, try to consider reading our dark history and the reasons why our country is still no. 1 ------------------- for being the basket case in Asia, no. 1 -----------------for having the weakest Armed Forces in the ASEAN and we are now aspiring to be THE no. 1 --------laughing stock in the whole world for burying a dictator and a great thief in a place we hold sacred. Go figure!

arvcab - September 15, 2005 01:13 AM (GMT)
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Nakng pucha! hitthewall.gif Kaya nagkakalecheleche ang bansa natin e. We have no sense of remorse for being nincompoops for a long long time. Sa mga gustong hukayin at iburol ang dakilang magnanakaw at dictatdor sa Libingan ng Bayani, mabuti pa siguro sumama na din kayong magpaburol para mabawasbawasan ang problema ng bayan. specool.gif

Oh, it is as if we are not so f****d up already, try considering these---- were will you get the money to pay for this fV@ck!*g funeral ASSuming for the sake of argument this pushes through? Ninakaw na niya at ang mga galamay at tuta niya ang kaban ng bayan at baon tayo sa UTANG! From your pocket? From the pauper across the street? From my pocket? Hell no, not my meager paycheck!
E yung mga bumoto para sa panukala na ito, ayus ayusin ninyo kasi kayo ang magaabono! May utang pa ang bansa pati na ang maga apo ninyo sa tuhod, paparangalin mo pa ang Demon.gif ito? Tsk tsk tsk. But I assure you and you young turks here who merely have heard of who Marcos is, try to consider reading our dark history and the reasons why our country is still no. 1 ------------------- for being the basket case in Asia, no. 1 -----------------for having the weakest Armed Forces in the ASEAN and we are now aspiring to be THE no. 1 --------laughing stock in the whole world for burying a dictator and a great thief in a place we hold sacred. Go figure!


:agree: well said bro... :drunk:

Pendejo - September 15, 2005 05:08 AM (GMT)
...and that should go to all the other crooks too. Like Garcia, Ligot, et al. While we're at it lets also disinter all the others who were buried there who were not convicted by final judgement. I was going to post names but I'd rather not spit on a dead man's grave.

Talk about double standards.

Wushu - September 15, 2005 11:46 AM (GMT)
the pcgg is going to auction off in geneva the 3 collections of marcos jewels.... the ones confiscated by us customs in hawaii, the ones left in malacañang, and the others confiscated from marcos couriers in their attempts to smuggle them out of the country....

according to law, proceeds will go to the agrarian reform program....

meanwhile, imelda is on tv, in tears while submitting her motion for injunction to stop the auction, saying that the whole thing was the "ultimate injustice".... "what more do they want from the marcoses?" she cried.....

...... seeing boxes of those jewel-encrusted crowns and baubles, its amazing that some people still doubt that the marcoses stole from the country....

cactus jack - September 15, 2005 10:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Pendejo @ Sep 15 2005, 01:08 PM)
...and that should go to all the other crooks too.  Like Garcia, Ligot, et al.  While we're at it lets also disinter all the others who were buried there who were not convicted by final judgement.  I was going to post names but I'd rather not spit on a dead man's grave.

Talk about double standards.

It is not as simple as ABC. While I do agree with your point on other crooks in the LNB, I am flabergasted with your latter insinuations. You made it appear that since other crooks got away with it, why not let the buck pass with Marcos?!! Ilan taon ka na ba popoy? Don't be too naive. The other people you are refering to are lesser mortals and are pale in comparison to this :demon:

In case you did not know, Ferdiand E. Marcos was a murderer, plunderer and a dictator who is at par with Hitler, Mao, Etc. This is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. There was a revolution and the PEOPLE ousted him. There was no court hearing because he left. :wow:

Iho, if judicial justice was wanting, there was at least a degree of certainty in the hearts of every Filipino who ousted him from this country and to me, it is next to God's justice!
"The evil man flees away while the innocent stands as bold as a lion." It is a fact that he fled the country carrying suitcases containing jewels, 24 gold bricks and certificates for billions of dollars of gold bullion says A LOT. Do you feel the love, boy? SAVOR IT! Nakinabang ka ba dito? Ask those people in the street who are barely surviving with a payless meal to feed their kids. A few years ago, the US court in Hawaii ruled in favor of the victims of Marcos. It reinforces the fact that this :demon: was indeed a tyrant. Our SC can take judicial knowledge of this development. And you know what, the whole world knows this and it is a fact. Go figure.

If you do not learned anthing about history, please use :crazy:
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Kookie - September 16, 2005 01:16 AM (GMT)
cactus jack, i have feeling that you pick the wrong guy to trifle with - ha ha ha...

as to burial of Marcos, yes he should be buried - but inside the compound of the National Penitentiary - where his cohorts can see him!

arvcab - September 16, 2005 02:56 AM (GMT)
:agree:

100thMember - September 16, 2005 03:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kookie @ Sep 16 2005, 09:16 AM)
cactus jack, i have feeling that you pick the wrong guy to trifle with - ha ha ha...

as to burial of Marcos, yes he should be buried - but inside the compound of the National Penitentiary - where his cohorts can see him!

I totally support kookie's suggestion :thumb:

possible - September 16, 2005 07:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kookie @ Sep 16 2005, 09:16 AM)
cactus jack, i have feeling that you pick the wrong guy to trifle with - ha ha ha...

as to burial of Marcos, yes he should be buried - but inside the compound of the National Penitentiary - where his cohorts can see him!

what's so intimidating about frustrated military adventurists or their t-shirt collecting groupies?

as for the late dictator, leave the dead alone, put his surviving cohorts and cronies in the slammer instead. most of them never made it there where they belong in the first place.

:thumb: keep it up, cactus jack. show us who's really blind to their so-called "standards".

Wardog - September 17, 2005 03:49 AM (GMT)
A resounding no.

And a law (if it doesn't exist yet) should be enacted prohibiting the public display of disgraced former leaders. The body of Marcos should be immediately removed from its glass enclosure and buried anywhere but LNB.

maniegom - September 17, 2005 09:11 AM (GMT)
Well this is just a poll anyway and nothing to get excited about. We are all entitled to our own opinions. It will still take time to recover all the hidden wealth the Marcosses are blamed to have plundered. The only thing is I hope it all goes back to the country when that finally happens.

I voted "Yes" because I believe he is entitled to such being our former President. But let it be known though that this of course doesn't mean all is forgiven and the rest can now walk away scott free.

edwin - September 17, 2005 01:06 PM (GMT)
Marcos should not be buried in the LNMB. He cause all the trouble in our land and in fact we are still suffering from it. He was remembered as a dictator who take away the freedom of Filipino people by declaring Martial Law and the rest is history of Philippine being a poor country.

For me, in fairness to Marcos and let us not forget that he is a very intelligent president that come out in the Philippines(Wala ng iba). Yun nga lang ay hindi niya ginamit ang TALINO NIYA sa Mabuting Paraan para maging GREAT COUNTRY ang Pilipinas.

Well, Marcos is already gone, but still our country never change. Mahirap na bansa pa rin tayo at maliit pa rin ang tingin ng IBANG LAHI SA ATIN. Walang nagbago kahit wala na si Marcos.

Nasaan na yung mga bumabatikos kay Marcos, bakit di nila mapa-unlad yung bansa natin ngayon.??? Peace to all.


maniegom - September 17, 2005 01:12 PM (GMT)
You do have a good point there Edwin, but every administration always blames the other for its woes why they cannot advance fast or far enough. When will it all ever end? Or should we just keep on blaming the past administrations for our present calamities?

Great point though friend :thumb:

flipzi - September 18, 2005 01:45 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (cactus jack @ Sep 15 2005, 04:32 AM)
Nakng pucha! :headbang:  .......

QUOTE (cactus jack @ Sep 16 2005, 06:22 AM )
Ilan taon ka na ba popoy? Don't be too naive 


Let me remind everyone that the Mods dont tolerate personal attacks or anything close to that.

You may not notice it but we are closely monitoring everyone's behavior to protect every poster and to enforce rules here.

Have a nice day, Sirs and Ma'ams.

:btt:

.. and dont worry, no decision has been reached yet what to do with this one... as fas as i know. :armyLol:


Wushu - September 19, 2005 05:37 AM (GMT)
yup, let makoy's wax corpse rot in bilibid.... and while were at it, throw that effing widow of his in with him....

QUOTE
Well, Marcos is already gone, but still our country never change. Mahirap na bansa pa rin tayo at maliit pa rin ang tingin ng IBANG LAHI SA ATIN. Walang nagbago kahit wala na si Marcos.


walang nagbago kasi pinoys have such short memories.... nawala agad yung public attention sa pagkuha ng mga ninakaw... tapos ngayon, some of us are even considering forgiving him.... you don't see the jews forgiving dr. mengele.....

those who advocate that we forgive makoy and his family should first understand the word "justice"...... obviously, we pinoys don't know the meaning of the word....

QUOTE
  :thumb:  keep it up, cactus jack. show us who's really blind to their so-called "standards".


:thumb:

flipzi - September 19, 2005 08:43 AM (GMT)
Cge na nga sa Luneta na lang ilibing si Makoy para matapos na lahat!

:funnypost:

Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP - September 19, 2005 08:59 AM (GMT)
And guarded by Jose Rizal?

flipzi - September 19, 2005 09:17 AM (GMT)
:armyLol:

seWer Rat - September 19, 2005 10:42 AM (GMT)
NO!

nuff said :rifle:

cactus jack - September 19, 2005 09:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (edwin @ Sep 17 2005, 09:06 PM)
Nasaan na yung mga bumabatikos kay Marcos, bakit di nila mapa-unlad yung bansa natin ngayon.??? Peace to all.

Bakit hindi mapaunlad ng mga bumabatikos kay marcos ang Pilipinas? Padre, it is a collective effort. It is not the role of one Pinoy nor the role of the so called opposition (those who were reallycritical of Marcos and thise who were appeared to be idealists) to uplift the country from it woes. You see, the biggest mistake most Pinoys have committed is the fact that when Marcos was ousted, they thought that everything was again nice and dandy. Never before have we been so wrong. Most of us have been complacent and aloof. We never seem to have learned anything from history. Ano ba ang nagyare? We went back to our old bad habits. We became blind nincompoops and have not vigorously pursued a policy of jailing the Marcoses and their cronies, nor have we been successful or fast in recovering their loot. As a matter of fact, we even welcomed these turncoats with open arms in the government. What did they do? They have been part of the festering problem in our county. Remember the time when we were considered the “darling of the whole world”after the first Edsa revolution and investors were coming in and bullish with our economy? Well, we lost all those investments to Thailand, Malaysia and China. Bakit?

Trapos at ang mga Utak Pulbura:

Let me see, trapos have successfully convinced a good number of our people that they are genuinely concerned about our country’s problems, but after several decades in power, napatino ba nila ang Pilipinas? Ask JDV, Enrile, Maceda the glib Escudero who, like his father, have been puppets of Marcos, etc. etc.. _____, _____. Sino, pa....si Drilon and Angara and would you believe, even Roco who belong to the smae law firm a long long time ago during the time of Marcos. If you will do your research, they were the ones who incorporated dummy corporations to shield Danding's shares in SMC and his involvment in the Coco levy fund. Lacson was a stooge of Abadia who were notorious in abducting people during the Martial law. Have you ever wondered what happend to Dacer or how Lacson managed to marry his wife? Have you ever wondered the amount of direct foreign investment we lost because of the coups pioneered by Gringo and company? The last time I checked, they just had some push -ups and they even managed to get elected to boot. Gringo and the RAM boys are rich and Lacson has properties in Makati and California.

Artista:

To make things worse, samahan mo pa ng mga artista with the likes of the clown Sotto, Erap, Revilla, Jinggoy, etc. who are dwelling in their own detached sense of reality. E kung ang pamilya nila hindi nilamapatino, ang buong pamilya pa kaya ng bayang Pilipinas?

At iba pa:

Dagdagan mo pa ng mga nagugulo galing sa kaliwa with the vocal and obstructionist types like KMU, NDF etc. Dagdagan mop pa ng MNLF at MILF at Abu Sayaf. Lets kick it even further, add the servicing of the national debt (nakaw ni Marcos na binabayaran pa natin at ang magiging apo sa tuhod natin). How would you convince these rebels that there is hope in the current system of government when thieves are re -elected, coup plotters like Honasan and co. have eluded arrest and have been elected to boot.

Bakit hindi pa umuunlad and Pilipinas? Sa dami ng problema at sa dami dami ng talangka, artista, magnanakaw at huwad at pekeng mababatas (mabubutas), nothing will happen. Going back to your question, sino ba ang mga bumabatikos kay Marcos? There are those who were mere opportunists and there are those who have stuck to the ideals or righteousness and decency. Men or shall I say opportunists and posterboys change and if you emulate them, like most of our countrymen, you will be bound to get disappointed. Once upon a time, they were with Marcos. When the tide changed, Johny come lately, they suddenly became critical of Marcos because it was the fad at that time. Do you still see them today?


The question now is, where do you see yourself?

cactus jack - September 19, 2005 09:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (flipzi @ Sep 18 2005, 09:45 AM)


:btt:

.. and dont worry, no decision has been reached yet what to do with this one... as fas as i know. :armyLol:


Teka teka. Anong problema sa sinulat ko? Anong malaswa dito? Padre, hindi ako nagmamalinis and neither is anyone here hollier than thou. I mean, let's call a spade a spade.

It is regrettable if this petty thing will sway us from the main issue. :headbang: In my profession, I have seen exchanges which have maimed mistahs and/or killed friends and foes alike, and in retrospect, I would gladly welcome incendiaries and unpleasantries such as these for as long as it is confined in writing and nobody is killed. A wounded feeling and a besmirched reputation is a good lesson on humility. But heck, who am I to say this.

Let the ax fall if you feel that this is in violation of your rules. I will stand by with what I wrote. For as long as I have expressed my sentiments truthfully, no prior or subsequent restrain will stifle my spirit.

To the mods, kudos.

flipzi - September 20, 2005 01:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (cactus jack @ Sep 20 2005, 05:46 AM)
QUOTE (flipzi @ Sep 18 2005, 09:45 AM)


:btt:

.. and dont worry, no decision has been reached yet what to do with this one... as fas as i know.   :armyLol:


Teka teka. Anong problema sa sinulat ko? Anong malaswa dito? Padre, hindi ako nagmamalinis and neither is anyone here hollier than thou. I mean, let's call a spade a spade. It is regrettable if this petty thing will sway us from the main issue. :headbang: In my profession, I have seen exchanges which have maimed mistahs and/or killed friends and foes alike, and in retrospect, I would gladly welcome incendiaries and unpleasantries such as these for as long as it is confined in writing and nobody is killed.



But i've check all your other posts, and you are beginning to hit the limits.

You’ve tried to demean your fellow poster.

Cool ka lang po, my friend.

This is supposed to be an enjoyable interaction.

You're right about no one is getting killed still anyway. But this is not the battlefield. This is a forum and anyone should try encourage others to express their side ……. without pumping bullets into their chests.

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A wounded feeling and a besmirched reputation is a good lesson on humility.


That's about it.

We should all remember that we too need to maintain a certain degree of humility, right?

BTW, it was not me who brought this concern to the ModGroup. I was only trying to help you get out this entanglement nice and easy.

So it will be best for you if you tone down a little and check your level of humility before you surpass the red mark. If you keep on hitting the gas, somebody else or "some" will do something to remind you that you too need to check your speed.

No offense meant, my friend. I just want to help you.

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Let the ax fall if you feel that this is in violation of your rules. 


I agree. Everyone must remember that. EVERYONE.

QUOTE
I will stand by with what I wrote.  For as long as I have expressed my sentiments truthfully, no prior or subsequent restrain will stifle my spirit. 


I can understand that as well. Nonetheless, the Mods have rules to enforce in order TO PROTECT EVERY POSTER AND THE ESSENCE OF THIS FORUM , no matter how strong one's spirit is trying to stop someone from hitting the brakes when they begin to hit the limits.

Dont forget what you've said, my dear friend.

"A wounded feeling and a besmirched reputation is a good lesson on humility."

THE ROAD SIGN SAYS ... :btt:

Fellows, please get back to topic. If we don’t, this thread might be locked temporarily.

Have a great day, everyone. :armycheers:

Duminus - September 20, 2005 10:04 AM (GMT)
Calm down CJ, take a deep breath - you can voice out your opinions without getting hysterical.


edwin - September 20, 2005 06:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (cactus jack @ Sep 20 2005, 05:20 AM)
QUOTE (edwin @ Sep 17 2005, 09:06 PM)
Nasaan na yung mga bumabatikos kay Marcos, bakit di nila mapa-unlad yung bansa natin ngayon.??? Peace to all.

Bakit hindi mapaunlad ng mga bumabatikos kay marcos ang Pilipinas? Padre, it is a collective effort. It is not the role of one Pinoy nor the role of the so called opposition (those who were reallycritical of Marcos and thise who were appeared to be idealists) to uplift the country from it woes. You see, the biggest mistake most Pinoys have committed is the fact that when Marcos was ousted, they thought that everything was again nice and dandy. Never before have we been so wrong. Most of us have been complacent and aloof. We never seem to have learned anything from history. Ano ba ang nagyare? We went back to our old bad habits. We became blind nincompoops and have not vigorously pursued a policy of jailing the Marcoses and their cronies, nor have we been successful or fast in recovering their loot. As a matter of fact, we even welcomed these turncoats with open arms in the government. What did they do? They have been part of the festering problem in our county. Remember the time when we were considered the “darling of the whole world”after the first Edsa revolution and investors were coming in and bullish with our economy? Well, we lost all those investments to Thailand, Malaysia and China. Bakit?

Trapos at ang mga Utak Pulbura:

Let me see, trapos have successfully convinced a good number of our people that they are genuinely concerned about our country’s problems, but after several decades in power, napatino ba nila ang Pilipinas? Ask JDV, Enrile, Maceda the glib Escudero who, like his father, have been puppets of Marcos, etc. etc.. _____, _____. Sino, pa....si Drilon and Angara and would you believe, even Roco who belong to the smae law firm a long long time ago during the time of Marcos. If you will do your research, they were the ones who incorporated dummy corporations to shield Danding's shares in SMC and his involvment in the Coco levy fund. Lacson was a stooge of Abadia who were notorious in abducting people during the Martial law. Have you ever wondered what happend to Dacer or how Lacson managed to marry his wife? Have you ever wondered the amount of direct foreign investment we lost because of the coups pioneered by Gringo and company? The last time I checked, they just had some push -ups and they even managed to get elected to boot. Gringo and the RAM boys are rich and Lacson has properties in Makati and California.

Artista:

To make things worse, samahan mo pa ng mga artista with the likes of the clown Sotto, Erap, Revilla, Jinggoy, etc. who are dwelling in their own detached sense of reality. E kung ang pamilya nila hindi nilamapatino, ang buong pamilya pa kaya ng bayang Pilipinas?

At iba pa:

Dagdagan mo pa ng mga nagugulo galing sa kaliwa with the vocal and obstructionist types like KMU, NDF etc. Dagdagan mop pa ng MNLF at MILF at Abu Sayaf. Lets kick it even further, add the servicing of the national debt (nakaw ni Marcos na binabayaran pa natin at ang magiging apo sa tuhod natin). How would you convince these rebels that there is hope in the current system of government when thieves are re -elected, coup plotters like Honasan and co. have eluded arrest and have been elected to boot.

Bakit hindi pa umuunlad and Pilipinas? Sa dami ng problema at sa dami dami ng talangka, artista, magnanakaw at huwad at pekeng mababatas (mabubutas), nothing will happen. Going back to your question, sino ba ang mga bumabatikos kay Marcos? There are those who were mere opportunists and there are those who have stuck to the ideals or righteousness and decency. Men or shall I say opportunists and posterboys change and if you emulate them, like most of our countrymen, you will be bound to get disappointed. Once upon a time, they were with Marcos. When the tide changed, Johny come lately, they suddenly became critical of Marcos because it was the fad at that time. Do you still see them today?


The question now is, where do you see yourself?



We know already that those politician have doubtful character, and corruption is the main cause of our countrys problem, but still we allow those dirty politician to manage our country.

Why dont we use the media as a powerful tool to eliminate and reject those corrupt politician.???

We Pinoys need to be more intelligent in choosing a leader with future Vision for the country. Kailangan natin ng leader na meron puso. Peace to all.

israeli - September 20, 2005 06:28 PM (GMT)
if Sergio Osmeña, Manuel Roxas and Ramon Magsaysay were able to rest well in their respective graves at the Manila North Cemetery without the need to move them to the Libingan ng mga Bayani, i think Apo Ferdie will rest just as well as his predecessors by being buried in his hometown of Batac, Ilocos Norte.

still, give this man a decent place for burial EXCEPT the Libingan ng mga Bayani.


p.s.: is there a law or a statute that provides for the burial of former presidents in the Libingan ng mga Bayani? :dunno:

cactus jack - September 21, 2005 07:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (edwin @ Sep 21 2005, 02:21 AM)
We know already that those politician have doubtful character, and corruption is the main cause of our countrys problem, but still we allow those dirty politician to manage our country.

Why dont we use the media as a powerful tool to eliminate and reject those corrupt politician.???

We Pinoys need to be more intelligent in choosing a leader with future Vision for the country. Kailangan natin ng leader na meron puso. Peace to all.


Padre, the problem today is that the media, as Max Soliven has put it , has wittingly or unwittingly become part to the problem. There are some who publish salacious stories even though there is not much lead or basis. They just ride on the topic because it is popular and inflammatory. There are those who expose the corrupt politicians but do stop short of pursuing these reports because their silence can be bought. Ngingas kugon?

I agree that Pinoys should be intelligent in choosing their leaders. But as I have said before, you cannot emulate only one person because people do change. The meaning or concept of what is right from wrong never changes.

You can start doing that by educating or instilling in our children, through our acts and deeds, proper virtues and values we hold dear, so that when they come of age, they would lead their lives as men for others and be part of the solution. kahit sino sa mga batang namulat sa tama at wasto can lead. The rest of the kids will not find it hard to follow because they would identify themselves to the same ideals and values being promoted by the so called leader. This is power full because we could do way with politics of parochial patronage.

Wushu - September 23, 2005 05:34 AM (GMT)
to the moderators: :dontgetit:


this thread is entitled: "Marcos Burial at Libingan ng Mga Bayani"

considering how many lives this man destroyed? of course this topic will generate emotional responses!

and "namemersonal na" yung iba? how do you think jews would react to a thread entitled "the heroic hitler"......

yes, we can expect civil talk on controversial topics, but it has limits....

posting a highly-charged topic such as this and "imposing" that everyone stay calm, especially when the man's victims are still very much alive, is a little naive, don't you think?

cactus jack, i believe that you have every right to say the things you said.... heck, i even think that some guys here owe you an apology for being insensitive.....

talk about double standards.....

Duminus - September 23, 2005 05:46 AM (GMT)
As I said before, CJ and anybody here for that matter can voice out his opinion without getting hysterical and without resorting to personal attacks. Attack the issue, not the person.

Is that difficult?



Wushu - September 28, 2005 04:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wushu @ Sep 23 2005, 01:34 PM)
considering how many lives this man destroyed? of course this topic will generate emotional responses! 


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and "namemersonal na" yung iba? how do you think jews would react to a thread entitled "the heroic hitler"......


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posting a highly-charged topic such as this and "imposing" that everyone stay calm, especially when the man's victims are still very much alive, is a little naive, don't you think?

cactus jack - October 7, 2005 04:08 AM (GMT)
Thanks Wushu.

Kampilan - October 12, 2005 09:56 AM (GMT)
Marcos should remain buried in Batac - and really buried - 6 feet under, out of sight.

Wushu - October 13, 2005 06:18 AM (GMT)
ei nice pic kampilan..... which reminds me, any link out there with a "more or less" authentic account of the mactan battle/skirmish/ambush?

cactus jack - October 14, 2005 01:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wushu @ Oct 13 2005, 02:18 PM)
ei nice pic kampilan..... which reminds me, any link out there with a "more or less" authentic account of the mactan battle/skirmish/ambush?

Pare, I can't provide the link, but I read a history book long ago on the first hand account of Pigafeta on how Magelan was slain by Lapulapu. This history book history book was written by Horacio de la Costa, S.J.. You can find it in the U.P. library or to be sure, Rizal library in the Ateneo. The author has a different way of presenting history because he attempts to quote and/or translate fist hand accounts of actual witnesses, unlike Zaide who narrates things as they did happen in history. I hope this helps.

Regards




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