One soldier, five rebels die in Agsur clash

A SOLDIER and five members of the New People's Army (NPA) were killed while a Civilian Auxiliary Forces Geographical Unit (Cafgu) was wounded in a clash between the rebel and government forces Wednesday in Agusan del Sur.

4th Infantry Division chief Maj. Gen. Samuel Bagasin said rebel forces attacked their 29th Infantry Battallion San Pedro Patrol Base in San Luis, Agusan del Sur.

There was an estimated 50 rebel forces led by a certain NPA commander alias Maki of the NPA Front Committee 88. A platoon defended the base for an hour and thirty minutes.

The firefight resulted in the death of the patrol base commander Vener Granados and five NPA rebels while a certain Cafgu Siahay was wounded.

"Five enemy killed ang aming body count," Bagasin said. Recovered from the encounter area were two M16, one M14, one Carbine and one Garand.

Sources from the National Democratic Front (NDF), the political wing of the NPA, however said they have yet to confirm this report with their field officers.

"But perhaps they are just fabricating that story particularly as it just came out in the news that Bagasin is one of the candidates who might just get appointed to replace South Command chief Lt. Gen. Roy Kyamko," one of the sources said, while giving his assurance that they would own up to the report that five of their NPA members were killed if it were true.

Military spokesman Col. Felicisimo Budiongan said the firefight, which lasted for more than an hour also resulted in the recovery of five rifles from the insurgents. LJA with a report from AFP

Sunstar News

:thumb: good job your army, one dead against 5.

manilatimesonline

NPA sets terms for soldiers’ release

By Anthony Vargas, Reporter

TAKING advantage of the government’s changed stance against terrorism, the New People’s Army said it would not release the soldiers it captured until the government suspends all military and police operations in the Bicol region.

The NPA had captured 1st Lt. Rolando Fedelino and Private First-Class Ronel Nemeno in February, when the rebels ambushed an Army patrol in Tinambac, Camarines Sur.

“Hindi namin ito mapapalaya hanggang hindi nag-uutos ng suspension of military and police operation ang pamahalaan sa lalawigan ng Albay, Camarines Sur at Camarines Norte [The soldiers will not be released until the government halts all military and police operations in the provinces of Albay, Camarines Sur and Camarines Norte],” NPA spokesman Ka Roger Rosal said in a radio interview.

He said Army and police operations in those provinces would put the lives of the captured soldiers and their captors at risk.

Rosal assured the families of the captives that the prisoners were being treated well as prisoners of war and in accordance with agreements on the respect of human rights.

He said neither the Communist Party of the Philippines nor the party’s political wing, the National Democratic Front, should be blamed for the two soldiers’ captivity.

Rosal said it was in the hands of the Arroyo administration whether or not the soldiers would be released.

testing the new administration's stance on terrorist hostage situations ;)

according to the inquirer theyre about to be released...hopefully

http://www.inq7.net/reg/2004/jul/23/reg_1-1.htm

Young NPA couple turn themselves in to officials in E. Samar

BORONGAN Eastern Samar - A young couple, who both joined the underground movement in 2000, formally surrendered to Gov. Ben Evardone at the provincial capitol of Easthern Samar the other day.

Evardone told Today that the couple -- Carlito L. Solidor and Maria Jessa Baldonaza -- were accompanied by Mayor Conrado Nicart of San Policarpo, Felipe Nealda, barangay chairman of Tabo, San Policarpo, and Lt. Col. Claudio Neri, commander of the 14th Infantry Battalion based at barangay Dao Oras.

During the initial interview by Evardone, Neri, provincial police director Senior Supt. Edwin Balongay, the couple said they decided to return to the folds of the law because they saw no bright future for their family. They decided to live together only a month ago.

The young couple said they joined the underground movement in 2000 after they were separately convinced to join the movement. It was while they were there that the two met. Both claimed to belong to the Tigre platoon under a certain Ka Rolex of the NE Command operated in Eastern Samar. The man, of barangay Tabo, is 21 years old and reached only grade four, while the woman, of barangay Boco, Can-avid, Eastern Samar, is only 18 years old and a third grade dropout.

Solidor claimed he was with the group that attacked the San Jose de Buan military detachment and the 14th IB patrol in barangay Cagpili in Oras town, last year. In both raids, eight were killed, including military and paramilitary men and civilians, like the wife of a soldier.

more

:rifle:

Armed struggle resurges in Negros
Basahin ang artikulong ito sa Pilipino


Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sodusta of the 303rd Infantry Brigade took great
pains to boast that the AFP was already zeroing in on the NPA,
especially after a Philippine Army raid on a Red fighters' encampment
in Guihulngan, Negros Oriental on June 12. Eight soldiers were killed
and seven enemy troopers were wounded in the firefight but the AFP
concealed the real extent of its casualties. Even as the AFP was
shooting off its mouth, however, it was embarrassed no end when this
time, the NPA ambushed a platoon of the 12th IB and CAFGU in Sitio
Cagay, Barangay Camindangan in Sipalay City, Negros Occidental on
July 22.

The AFP was so obviously frantic that it immediately called for an
Emergency Joint Police-Army Conference in Camp Alfredo Montelibano in
Negros Occidental and came up with a "coordinated strategy" for
an "all-out defense" against the NPA which may attack anytime and
anywhere in Negros.

Accordingly, the AFP is currently concentrating more forces in
Negros. Almost 500 Scout Rangers were drawn from various units
nationwide and brought to the island on June 26 to serve as strike
forces against the NPA. This is aside from the 11th IB, 61st IB, 66th
IB and 12th IB (which serves as "handler" to 1,200 CAFGU elements),
542nd Engineering Battalion, PNP Regional Mobile Groups (RMG 6 and
RMG 7) and Arturo Tabara's RPA bandit group that have long been
sowing terror in Negros.

The revolutionary forces, however, will surely surmount the
concentration of additional military forces and the supposedly new
anti-NPA strategies just as it had done during previous enemy
military campaigns, and advance armed struggle in the island.

Blow to "Oplan Gordian Knot." When the Arroyo regime unleashed in
2002 its so-called "Oplan Gordian Knot" which it dubbed as a quick
and bold solution to the revolutionary movement's growth in the
island, the NPA responded with a series of tactical offensives. On
August 6, 2003, 1Lt. Regner Jerson, one of Sodusta's most active
officers, was ambushed and killed in Kanlaon City, Negros Oriental.
The AFP launched a brigade-size operation to recover its flagging
morale, but military forces merely ended up "punching the air."

The enemy's demoralization worsened when it sustained more casualties
on August 17. A composite force of Scout Rangers, Philippine Army
solders and RPA elements attempted to assault an NPA encampment in
Sitio Mambutoy, Barangay Locoton in Kabankalan City, Negros
Occidental, but it was the AFP that brought back two dead and two
wounded. There were no casualties on the NPA side.

Simultaneously, the democratic mass movement in the cities and town
centers strongly assailed intensifying militarization in the
countryside.




On December 16, 2003, the NPA assaulted an RPA camp in Sitio Kakha,
Barangay Tamlac, Sta. Catalina, Negros Oriental. Red fighters from
the Southwest Front seized eleven M16 rifles, an M79 grenade launcher
and ammunition. Many people rejoiced upon hearing news about the
raid. They had long been complaining about the RPA's extortion,
illegal drug pushing, animal rustling and threats to their lives.

In response, tighter coordination was effected among local
governments, the military and the police through Peace and Order
Councils at the municipal and provincial levels. The AFP, PNP and
other government agencies' intelligence machinery was strengthened
through the Barrio Intelligence Network (BIN). Detachments were
reinforced and military and psy-war operations conducted more
frequently. Anti-communist and malicious intrigues against
progressive organizations continued without letup. But the
revolutionary movement and the people of Negros firmly resisted all
this.

Intensifying armed struggle. At dawn of February 15, 2004, guerrillas
of the Bonifacio Pasakan Command-Guerrilla Front 2 attacked and
overran the 44th CAFGU Coy detachment in Barangay Mahalang,
Himamaylan City. It was the first raid ever on the 61st IB's heavily
fortified Advance Command Post. A Philippine Army sergeant who served
as the detachment's commander was killed while two CAFGU elements
surrendered. The NPA confiscated an M16, an M14 and three Garand
rifles. Eduardo Raya, a CAFGU element, was arrested for his active
role in anti-NPA operations, but was eventually released on
humanitarian grounds.

The raid also rendered justice to victims of fascist brutality like
62-year-old Morito Arcadenia who died after being repeatedly struck
with a rifle butt and a piece of wood by elements of the 61st IB
conducting operations in November 2002 in Manlocahoc, Sipalay, Negros
Occidental.

On March 3, Red fighters of the Leonardo Panaligan Command (LPC)-
Guerrilla Front 1 ambushed and killed two RPA elements who were
aboard a motorcycle in Sitio Estaka, Barangay Humay-Humay,
Guihulngan, Negros Oriental.

Meanwhile, on May 5, at the height of the election campaign, a
commando unit under the LPC attacked the PNP Provincial Mobile Group
(PMG) Outpost in Barangay Masulog, Kanlaon City. The PMG was a key
unit in launching counterrevolutionary campaigns against the NPA. It
was also a bane to the masses because policemen extorted money from
all vehicles that passed in front of the outpost. The Red fighters
seized three M16s, an M14 rifle, three cal .45 pistols, ammunition,
boots and uniforms from the five-minute raid.

In Barangay Guimbalaon, Silay City, members of the Jean Pelle Command
arrested on May 8 two RPA elements extorting money from 20 haciendas.
Confiscated from them were the collection money, two .38 revolvers
and a grenade. The RPA elements also admitted to serving as private
bodyguards of politicians. They were released after they promised to
leave the RPA and turn a new leaf.

Whatever the blows inflicted by the enemy, they will surely meet
defeat as armed struggle and the entire revolutionary movement
continue to advance to higher levels in Negros.

From the way this article is writen, seems the Commies are winning in Negros and belittling the presence of the SRs. :demon:

They're probably pissin' blood right now in fear.

And the RPA they called bandits - NPA or RPA, both groups are bandits and extortionists in my book.


And SR fodder too.

BTW SRFan, wheres the link to your post. :dunno:

:rifle: ang RPA-ABB po ay de facto militia na ng AFP sa Negros because of the peace pact with the government. Sila po ngayon ay guwardiya ng mga big plantations as protection againsty NPA guerillas.

:armyhuh: I assume they are being paid by these big plantation owners.

Monday, August 30, 2004


Rebs attack Kalinga Army
camp; 1 killed, 9 wounded

By Laarni Ilagan , Northern Luzon Bureau

TABUK, Kalinga—A member of the Civilian Armed Forces Geographical Unit (Cafgu) was killed and nine others, including five civilians, were wounded, when about 50 suspected communist New People’s Army (NPA) rebels stormed a Philippine Army detachment in Balbalan, Kalinga, morning of August 25.

Lt. Col. Preme Monta, the military Northern Luzon Command (Nolcom) information chief, said the rebels took advantage of the heavy monsoon rains to stage the attack.

Monta also said reinforcements from the Army and the military were pinned down by heavy fire from a separate rebel group while they were on their way to assist their beleaguered colleagues in Barangay Balantoy, Balbalan.

Senior Insp. Benito Wacas, operations chief of the Kalinga provincial police, identified the fatality as Julian Balaw-as, a Cafgu member.

The wounded were Jonathan Di-ig, another Cafgu member as well as civilians Priscila Gumanaw, 34; Adjean Gumanaw, 11; Corazon Gumanaw, 30; Criselda Gumanaw and Lydia Tungdol, 42.

Also wounded, Wacas reported, were Senior Police Officer 4, the officer in charge of the Balbalan police station, Police Officer 3 Mike Simangon and Army Sgt. Geronimo Caimo.

The three were part of the reinforcement sent by higher authorities to assist the detachment being attacked by the rebels, Wacas added.

He said the reinforcements were pinned down by heavy fire from an NPA blocking force in Sitio Butod, Barangay Balantoy, while on their way to the detachment which was then under attack.

Reports said the rebels took advantage of the heavy rains to attack the military detachment at about 6 a.m. on August 25.

The attack apparently took the Cafgu members and their military comrades by surprise.

Wacas said there were no reports yet of casualties on the side of the rebels.

At the same time, Monta said this was the first rebel attack in Balbalan against the Army this year.

Monta said it was a part of the aggressive expansion campaign of the NPA in remote areas that are barely reached by basic government services.

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2004/a...040830pro1.html

Why only report victories??? are we covering up something?? If truth has to be the guiding principle, then please tell us also your losses.... I am just curious that what you relate are all victories. There is no such thing as all wins here in the world.

:grrr: drat! double drat fvckin comies :grrr:

Philstar

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:armyfrown:

NPA hit for killing 2 captured soldiers

By BUTCH D. ENERIO
TODAY Correspondent

CAGAYAN DE ORO CITY - The military lambasted on Wednesday the New People’s Army (NPA) for allegedly killing captured soldiers in Agusan del Norte last month.

Maj. Gen. Samuel Bagasin, 4th Infantry Division commander, said that the NPA committed grave act of human rights violation when its combatants operating in the province killed 2Lt. Jovie Aleria and Pvt. Sivee Berdon after they were captured in an encounter between the government troops and NPA guerrillas in sitio Manawang, barangay Guinabsan in Buenavista town on August 5.

Bagasin said that they have verified the reported killing through their deep penetration agents (DPA) in the NPA. The report was later substantiated when Pfc. Rene Montemor, who escaped from captivity, narrated the incident.

On August 5 the Army’s 401st Infantry Brigade launched a combat operation, using the 41st and 42nd Reconnaissance companies, led by Aleria and 2Lt. Ruel Romorosa, respectively.

The operation was conducted after the brigade headquarters received an intelligence report that there were about 100 rebels consolidating in the area, ready to attack Nasipit town and destroy a power barge.

Bagasin said that after the encounter they received reports that two of the soldiers were missing.

Montemor said in an interview that when they reached barangay Guinabsan, they were met by a huge number of NPA guerrillas who fired at them, instantly killing five soldiers and wounding the others when land mines exploded.

He said that they ran out of ammunition after two hours of firefight, which rendered them outnumbered and outgunned by the rebels, who captured Aleria, Berdon and himself, while the rest of the troops pulled back to consolidate.

Montemor narrated that at the onset of their capture, they were made to lie face to the ground, and the rebels took turns in kicking their backs while shouting expletives. After which they were led to walk with the retreating rebels.

Montemor was able to escape by jumping into a ravine and ran for safety until he reached an Army detachment the next day.

Agasin said that Montemor, who opted to keep silent on the capture incident, knowing that Aleria and Berdon would be treated humanely as prisoners of war by the NPA, broke his silence and told his story.

“My conscience bothered me a lot when I learned that they [Aleria and Berdon] were already killed by the NPA. I thought all the while that they were alive as prisoners of war,” Montemor said. Bagasin said that according to their DPAs, the killing was carried out in cold blood, out of hatred, after the NPA guerrillas realized that they lost a considerable number of their comrades in the incident.

“I am condemning this dastardly act of the NPA. The NPA rebels in this part of the country kill their captives,” Bagasin said.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?...ncial&OID=59677

Kulang talaga sa support - walang ammo drop. :armyneutral:

No helos available, sorry...used by pols and generals :drunk:

not meaning to be sarcastic - but after 2 hours of combat and no CAS or ammo drop - i think something just wasnt done right... :armyhuh:

what was bde hq doing? im not that knowledgeable but bde is an important enough unit to warrant helo prio

[COLOR=blue][B]One more thing here.

The rebels aren't trained like these recon teams and their leaders aren't educated in prestigious institutions such as that of the PMA.

I'm just wondering how did this thing happen?

It seems like there's no difference between a typical rebel group that are composed of "peasants-turned- guerilla fighters" and "highly trained military men" anymore.

2 recon teams repulsed and defeated by less-trained farm workers?

Why?

It seems like the rebels outsmarted the soldiers again in this particular case.

The rebels were able to ambush the soldiers leaving 5 dead instantly. Then the rebels even displayed that they were indeed brave and gutsy enough that they hold their ground and sustained their offensive strikes until the soldiers ran out of ammo and finally captured the bewildered soldiers including their team leader, a PMA graduate.

Now the military is using violations of human rights committed by the rebels to cover their folly with it.

When a soldier is captured by the enemy, we should expect for the worst because that's part of the risk in performing their job.

I am not blaming the brave soldiers here.

I was wondering how they (higher authorities) drafted the plan.

They lost a lot of men in that encounter.

They were given intel reports of the number of hostile elements and they still failed in handling that one.

Now, who's fault is it?

flipzi, nasabi mo lang yan dahil wala ka dun sa actual scene of combat, who knows baka may unavoidable factors that hindered proper execution of the encounter. :rifle:

:armytwisted: THE FOG OF WAR??

I'm not a Filipino but from what I hear, the individual Filipino soldier is a mean, lean fighting man. :thumb:

IMHO, what happened here was a planning and leadership failure.

Just my thoughts do. I could be wrong.

wala ka ngang ka-alam alam ...

yan ang problema sa forum na to, karamihan mga amateur - punta kayo sa froum ni opus, nandun ang mga tunay na experts, lahat dun mga totoong military di gaya dito mga sibilyang polpol - mahiya kayo oy!!!


:closed:

ows talaga? lahat mga totoong military o lahat mga forum hecklers at trollers tulad mo!

jaforms,


you have a point there.

nonetheless, no matter how you see it , it still spells "disaster" and not just defeat.

by the way, for those who said that this forum is only good for soldiers, well,... think again.

THE GUYS WHO DEFEATED THOSE PMAers were just farm workers who haven't got any military training from SRTS or PMA!

Ofcourse, you still have a point there to some extent.

But you have to be considerate to know what is the useful perspective that we are trying to put across.

Civilians are to here to help you.

You are our heroes...and we can't let just die out there as a result of your stubborness.

Peace for all!

:exactly:

jaforms,


you have a point there.

nonetheless, no matter how you see it , it still spells "disaster" and not just defeat.

by the way, for those who said that this forum is only good for soldiers, well,... think again.

THE GUYS WHO DEFEATED THOSE PMAers were just farm workers who haven't got any military training from SRTS or PMA!

Ofcourse, you still have a point there to some extent.

But you have to be considerate enough to know what is the useful perspective that we are trying to put across.

Civilians are here to help you.

You are our heroes...and we can't let you just die out there as a result of your stubborness.

Peace for all!

:exactly:

in every operation, the element of surprise is one of the powerful weapon.. and sadly that's the main advantage of the NPA. they know the best place to fight and they lure the troops into that place.. they can easily conduct ambush against us.. besides PMA is a leadership school and not a ranger school and some of the SRTS products are now top ranking commanders in NPA... saka we must always remember that in combat anything that can go wrong will go wrong.. and there is no operation plan that survived the first burst of fire. :rifle: :rifle:

di ba kaya ng army sumagawa ng sariling 'element of surprise'?
halata namang kulang sa plano at suporta ang operasyong ito...2 oras na bakbakan at hinayaan lang mauubusan ng bala ang mga sundalo... :rifle:

kaya.. you can read the book "lessons from Huk campaign" and many of the operations in that book used the element of surprise.. but as of now.. the main priority is to neutralize the mass base by winning the hearts and mind of the people.. coz if you remove the fish from the water then it will surely die.. :exactly:

You're being vague this time Shadow, :armyhuh: If the main prio now is winning the hearts and mind of the people does it mean that the combat aspect of the COIN campaign is being left to chance?

nope.. what i'm trying to say is.. we're now following the triads of war.. combat operation, CMO and intelligence ops.. and among these three the most important is winning the hearts and minds of the people.. kasi they're the one supporting the NPA.. kahit mapatay mo lahat ng NPA hanggat may mass base.. the cycle will continue.. may lilitaw at lilitaw na bagong NPA..

:asniper: What a blunder for a Major General... Rebelde ang NPA and they are not covered by any international rule for combatants. They are criminals with ideals... subject to the laws of our land.

Every soldier I believe knows this... grabe talaga kaya d matapos ang laban...

This is another factor .... "(as what Shadowsniper said) ...and some of the SRTS products are now top ranking commanders in NPA... "


Nung sa college nga ako eh....imagine huh,..yung mga nag SQUAD TACTICS ay mostly NPA recruits pala!

Kumukuha lang ng training sa ROTC trainors.

SQUAD TACTICS is 7-man demonstration team sa ROTC namin dati. :crawling: :aberet:

Ala-Rangers ang dating. hehehe :gatling:

Diba madami din PMAers na napunta sa Reds?

Imagine pinagsama galing ng STRS and PMA products at UP hardknocks!

Mabigat na laban nga! :dunno:

:agree: Lalo na yung galing UP Vanguards :rifle:

It s the military's fault again huh!!!!!!

mga NePS, paano kayomapamahal sa masa kung ganito nalang plagi ang gimik nyo!

Rebs torch bus in Misor
By NILO ABROGUEÑA, MANUEL ALEMAN and GAR AYENSA

GINGOOG City--a group of suspected communist rebels torched a public bus in an outlying village in this Misamis Oriental city on Wednesday night. No one was hurt.

The Misamis Oriental police said investigators were still facing a blank wall with regard to the motive and the identity of the group responsible for the attack but radio and other sources quickly pointed to the New People’s Army (NPA) that has been imposing ‘‘revolutionary taxes’’ on companies operating in communist-influenced territories. The NPA has claimed responsibility for bus burnings in the past.

But Gingoog police sources named one ‘‘Commander Gupos’’ as the mastermind. Allegedly, Gupos’s group has been demanding money from the bus firm.

Gingoog police director Insp. Raul Benitez said a police team that responded to calls for help failed to arrest a suspect. Benitez said the suspects fled to the hinterlands.

SPO4 Floro Crisologo of the Misamis Oriental police office said the bus owned by Bagong Lipunan Transit was set afire by seven armed men in Sitio Koliao, Barangay Agay-ayan, Gingoog City, around 8 pm, Wednesday.

The suspects, posing as passengers, reportedly boarded the Gingoog-bound bus with body no. 372 and license plates KAF-659 from Medina town, and later ordered driver Jenerico Mendoza to drive some one kilometer from the highway to a secluded area in Koliao.

Crisologo said the suspects instructed the driver and about 10 passengers to disembark.

He said the attack was well-planned. As it turned out, another group of armed men were waiting in the area. The suspects then poured gasoline and then torched the bus.

The provincial police office said Misamis Oriental police director Supt. Malazarte Generalao was investigating the incident at presstime.

DxIF-Bombo Radyo quoted a passenger who claimed to have heard a suspect say that Bagong Lipunan has a beef with his group.

‘‘Wa moy’y labot. Dalha tanan inyong butang. Anf bus ra among tuyo kay ang tag-iya sa bus ang may atraso sa amo,’’ a passenger quoted one of the suspects as saying.

Bagong Lipunan has kept mum on the matter at presstime.

Radio reports said the Gingoog police has launched a wide manhunt against the suspects.

The Gingoog attack was staged almost the same time NPA rebels opened fire on a military patrol in Compostela Valley.

Lt. Col. Daniel Lucero said soldiers fought back, killing nine of rebels.

The soldiers sustained no casualties, said Lucero.

Troops had gone to the area after residents complained of NPA extortion and looting, he said.

The 8,600-strong NPA and its political leadership, the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) have been waging a 35-year Maoist armed campaign to seize power.

The party announced in August that it was suspending peace talks with the government because of Manila’s alleged failure to persuade Western countries to remove it from their lists of international terrorists. With reports from Agence France-Presse

http://goldstar.sni.ph/news.php?subaction=...t_from=&ucat=1&

...military's fault again?

THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING.

JUST CHECK THE SR CLUBHOUSE FOR THE DETAIL OF THEIR DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ONE.

Or go to STRIKE MUSANGS WEBSITE..

...THEN CLICK ..... REAL THING

..THEN SELECT ........ WHAT WENT WRONG IN AGUSAN.

OK? :thumb:

galing flipzi sa presentation of argumentation :bow: :bow: :bow:

Ungas!.... binayaran ka ni flipzi siguro ano?

Ahuh... kumunista ka din pala huh? :rifle:

hindi po kapatid! sibilyan po ako na nakikisama sa talakayan niyo ukol sa
usaping pang-lipunan.

maganda pong makipagtalo si flipzi dahil minsan lang magalit.

tama po siya na may manipulator para pag-awayin ang mga anak magsasaka at mangagawa at iyan po ang mga kurakot sa pamahalaan.

hindi po ang sistema ng gubyerno ang suliranin kungdi ang mga nagpapatakbo rito... tama ba itong pagsusuri ko flipzi? :bow: :bow: :bow: