If the AFP ever does have the money to buy tanks for its hardware, how about getting the Centauro tank destroyer. Its not a tank, its an armoured vehicle armed with a 105 mm gun. Its probably cheaper than a tank which means the amount of money that will be spend on the tanks can buy more of the centauro.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/centauro.htm

Later, as of now we need more troop/mortar carriers than dedicated tank destroyers.

In my opinion, Tank Destroyers are nothing more than cheap stopgap. Why buy tank destroyers when you can buy light tanks with anti-tank missiles?

During World War II, tank Destroyers, like the German Hetzers, Jagdpanzers, and Jagdtigers were only mass produced because they were desperate. They could only fire one direction and had to shift the whole vehicle to correct a bearing, since their turrets were fixed. Russian ones like the Su-85 had the same problem.

American Tank Destroyers like the M10 Wolverine and M36 Jackson were lightly armored, though they had more firepower than a Sherman. They were effective but often lost more of their number in engagements with German tanks. Then the Sherman tank with the 76mm cannon came out. Why mass produce tank destroyers when you can mass produce Shermans with better comparable to the Wolverine?

That's why the American Tank Destroyer Arm was disbanded after WWII.

This tank destroyer is modern. The only difference between the Centauro and a light tank is that the Centauro has 8 wheels instead of tracks. But the Centauro moves like a light tank and has a 105 mm gun. The stingray light tank weight is 21,000 while the centauro is 25,000kg. Both of them are light armoured but i believe it can be reinforce by armor plates. This is not WW2 anymore. Even though it is called a tank destroyer, this is a tank with wheels, and its gun can do 360 degrees.

Oh that CENTAURO? I thought this was just an LAV/armored car on steroids.

Doesn't South Africa have a similar AFV?

Still, even if we do get it, is it really that useful in the forests of Mindanao? I think the Scorpions and LAVs are well suited for COIN duty. Maybe any Centauros we get just be limited to any flat plains area in Luzon. I wouldn't mind having them repel a Chinese/PLA invasion with their Type 90 tanks.

I think the army will be better having man portable anti-tank and bunker busters like the Matador which is very mobile. Philippine terrain discouraged the use of heavy tanks that is why our army are only using the scorpion light tanks

perhaps more Scorpion light tanks or the acquisition of SK-105 Kurassier light tanks might do the trick. what do you think guys? :armywink:

I agree. I prefer mortar carriers and self-propelled RRs than tank destroyers. They're most applicable to current battlefield scenario of the AFP. The only unit that needs tank destroyers could be the PSG. :demon:

Centauro is a Tank in wheeled configuration and I think the design is ideal for our rugged terrain and COIN operation.

We also need a Tank with heavy firepower for our Army and Marines in support to their coin campaign.

Centauro is not just a Tank destroyer, but it can also be put to good use for AFP Coin operation because the tank can move fast and armed with 105mm that can blast its way thru fortified enemy bunker or position. Peace to all.

Tank destroyers need to be fast agile and light.....and sacrifices armor
for mobility

Tank destroyers, IMO, is best suited for ambushes since its guns are mostly fixed but carries a big punch and is lightly armored. In COIN operations, I really don't see it being that effective as being utilized as an infantry support vehicle.

Msantor put it right that light tanks are much better suited in jungle warfare. Tank destroyers like the Centauro will be useful if the Philippines gets invaded by an outside force, especially if the fighting goes into the jungles where these can be hidden from sight.

Tank destroyers or heavily armed IFVs and APCs... As long as the boys on the grounds gets the right stuff to do their task and protect the nation.

:nono: Why Buy Tank Destroyer? Do we have tanks to destroy?
Maybe we can upgrade our Kalakian to have anti-tank Missiles like those in Bradley IFV capable of piercing light armors and executing targets inside bunkers.I think it will be cool to see a kalakian with

TOW ATGM launcher. SACLOS; wire-guided Turret-mounted, two tube launcher Ready: 2. Stowed: 5.M2A0: Basic TOW. M2A1/A2/A3: TOW II.I think our engineers can make our own TOW missles

Imagine this kalakian has a Anti-Tank Missiles

http://timawa.net/images/contributions/c_kalakian.jpg

akala ko ba eh ayaw mo sa tank destroyer eh bakit mo pinopromote and kalakian na may anti-tank? di ba pareho lang yun? :armyLol:

mas maigi pang lagyan ng anti-ship and SAM missiles ang kalakians natin atleast meron tayong panakot laban sa mga foreign naval and airspace intruders...

maganda sanang gawin sa ating mga kalakians eh gawan ng 4 variants (all variants should be armed with thermal/night vision scopes & imaging system):

1. SAM capable
2. SSM (surface to surface or anti-ship missiles)
3. APC light armored tank armed with a mortar, anti-tank (to be installed next time), grenade launcher, and a high caliber machine gun.
4. Scout/Surveillance tank probably with the same armaments with #3 variant, but armed with sophisticated long-range cameras and ground/air radar.

:patrioticpinoy:

Hezbollah showed Israel and the world that small units firing ATGMs would wreak havoc on MBTs. In invasion scenarios, in the case of defensive tank-destroyers-with-big-guns, a superior force would blast these from the sky. Also, the frontal arc of most MBTs would resist 105mm fire. If ever we're thinking of destroying tanks, get ATGMs first before vehicles with 105mm cannons, although the latter would be useful for infantry fire support.

For COIN, the Cockerill Mk3 90mm is sufficient.

500lbs to 1,500lbs of TNT IED in stratigic areas will do the trick...

Tol dinaman sa ayaw ko ng tank destroyer.The point is to minimize the funds kasi kung bibili tayo ng tank destroyer 30-35M PHP ang magagastos natin e kung magdedevelop tayo ng anti tank missles estimated 15M ang magagastos dalawang kalakian pa ang maiinstalan tsaka dinaman tayo nakikipag Gera sa ibang bansa bkit natin kailangan ng heavy weapons tama lang para tapatan ang fire power ng mga rebelde dito sa pilipinas ang kailangan natin ay MRAP,APC,FSV,AAV at yung mga wire mesh system yun ang kailangan natin nagsasugest lang ako para makamura ang PA dahil kulang ang pondo.

At tunkol dun naval and airspace intruders ang masasabi ko sa sugestion mo ay lalo tayong makakamahal dahil napakamahal ng SAM masmaige pa kung Stinger man-portable IR guided surface-to-air missile ang sinugest mo medyo mura pa more or less $30k lang kumpara sa SAM na ilalagay sa kalakian very expensive
kung meron man SAM kalakians hindi naman ito tatagal ng nakalutang at tingin mo walang Radar Jamming Device ang kanilang mga Fighter Planes at kayangkayang iintercept ng mga modern battle ships ang mga missles na ipupukol natin sayang ang effort wala binatbat ang SAM,SAS missles sa 10 ipupukol natin sa tingin mo may tatama doon wala pagasa sayang lang...... :gotya: ganyan ganyan ang mang yayari

for now our army doesn't need any tank destroyers or any other light tanks, the scorpion light tank is just fine enough it only needs upgrades like 90mm cockerill gun, new fuel efficient diesel engines, better communications, NVG/day-night surveillance and targeting equipment, additional mesh screens for additional protection against RPGs, etc...

... what the ARMY really needs are additional M113 APCs of different variants (mortar carrier, infantry carrier, IFV, C3, engineering, recovery) to support our troops fighting our internal enemies (NPAs, MILFs, JIs, etc.).

or why not convert/ upgrade our V-150 fleet with a larger gun turret armend with 90mm Cockerill gun? even the V-300 can be converted into an APC armed with 20mm/ 30mm gun with a larger turret to support our marines...