a number of historians contend that Magellan was not killed by Lapu Lapu himself but by an unknown warrior who speared Magellan, now how true is this?

My history teacher told us that Magellan was killed by several poisoned arrows fired by Lapulapu's archers. He also told us It was Magellan's slave, Enrique, who really circumnavigated the world. Enrique was a native of the Moluccas that was captured by earlier Spanish explorers and sold to Magellan. enrique even understood the dialect of Lapulapu!, so when Magellan was killed in Mactan, it was enrique who continued on to Spain.

i couldnt care less as long as it was a Filipino who killed that colonizing bastard.

His Ego got him killed for starters.

Magellan was literally gangbanged...

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/magellan.htm

Lapulapu was the leader so naturally the credit of killing Magellan goes to him.

Nuff said :demon:

Just to put things in context:

Mactan island was part of Humabon's fief. LapuLapu was an Orang Laut chieftain out of Borneo who settled on the island and claimed it for himself. In those days, strangers were required to acknowledge the lord of the fief. LapuLapu didn't. In effect, LapuLapu was a dayo who squatted on the land known to be the possession of another. It was Humabon, not LapuLapu, who was the native.

Humabon wanted to evict LapuLapu, but could not. So when Magellan came about and impressed him with European armor and weaponry, Humabon agreed to be converted to Christ on the condition that Magellan evict LapuLapu from Mactan. So Magellan went on ahead and the rest is history.

Orang Laut are sea gypsies related to the Badjao; Humabon was a pintado who despised the sea gypsies because some of them do pirate work, and often worked with the Tausugs in raiding coastal villages for slaves.

Enrique the slave spoke the dialect of LapuLapu, which more or less confirms that LapuLapu was from Borneo, close to the Moluccas.

LapuLapu being the "first Filipino to fight colonialism" is thick and pure BS. There were no Filipinos back then, there being no Philippines even as a geographical entity; Magellan got involved in an ethnic conflict between two tribes in an effort to boost machismo; and Humabon if anything managed to reclaim Mactan after a few years by breeding out the Orang Laut. He even managed to save the Santo Nino given him by Magellan, which eventually was found by Legaspi's expedition.

Funny,

Orang Laut po ay salitang bigkas ng mga melayu, sa aking kaunting kaalaman, mga orang laut ang tawag sa mga badjao ng mga taga jawa (java). Ang pagkapintado ni humabon ay naghahambing lamang na siya kalinya ng dugo ng mga indones (mga taga indonesia pero hindi taga jawa) baka taga sarawak or manado.

Ang mga badjao (orang laut), dayak (orang dayak) at iban (orang iban) ay mga taong nakatira sa northern borneo. Ang mga badjao ay nakikipagkalakal sa sa mga tausug at iba pang mga tribo sa pilipinas sapagkat sila lamang ang may mahusay na kaalaman sa pag titimon patungong pinas.

Kung badjao si lapu lapu, nagalit sa kanya si humabon dahil ito ay tinitingnan nya na parang second class citizen, ngunit kahit ganun pa man, ang mga badjao ay hindi inaangkop na mga melayu at indones, sila ang mga unang taong kilalang tumatawid sa pinas gamit ang maliliit na bangka.

Kung tutuusin, isa sila sa unang mga pinoy. Kung ako nasa katayuan ni lapu lapu magagalit din ako dahil migrant fieflord lamang siya samantalang ako ay nagbabaybay sa pinas ng hindi pinaaalis ng kahit nino man tapos sino siya para paalisin ako.

a wargamer's take on the Battle of Mactan:

http://home.earthlink.net/~cyberkiwi/soldiers/scenario5.html

Who killed Lapu Lapu? The fisherman!

:armycheers:

interesting. this would explain lapu-lapu's weapon of choice:

not to say it wasn't a kampilan, but it could be a number of swords familiar in borneo area, i.e. what are commonly known as parangs. not mention, visayan swords are smaller in nature.

sometimes history is unfair...cristobal colon a.k.a. christopher columbus "discovered" the new world when he landed in the island of san salvador...but there was this guy -- amerigo vespucci by name -- aboard the genoese admiral's ship who was "mapapel" so when the continent was finally named naging "america" after amerigo vespucci...columbus got some consolation...when the capital was named "washington, d.c." the "d.c." was for "district of columbia," columbia after the admiral who died frustrated in the convent of la rabeda...consuelo de bobo pa nga because nauna yung "washington" because of course of the general george "first in war, first in peace, first in the hearts of his countrymen" but married a widow...hehehehe...o di ba even life is sometime unfair...hehehehe!...oh yeah...when i was in high school and my basque lola found out i was studying about "ferdinand magellan" she went to my school and told my history teacher, "no hay persona tal que el ferdinand magellan... el hombre que aterrizó en la isla filipina de panay era magallanes del fernando... que él no era un español pero un portugués... no inglesa por favor su nombre porque él no era anglosajón en todos... no enseña a mi nieta y a sus 'classmates' algo cuál es incorrecto "...walang ferdinand magellan...meron fernando magallanes...walang christopher columbus...meron cristobal colon...i'm just wondering why historians anglicized magallanes and colon when they left pizarro, cortes and de gama alone... :lollol: :banana:

simple...


columbus and magellan where viewed as heroes by western standard, while pizarro, cortes and de gama were viewed merely as conquestadores, hence villains. see the veiled prejudice?

ya thats that well let it be for us its a victory for us and big defeat for them but i wander? if lapu lapu die and megellan won history change

All sorts of conflicting stories after the fact cropped up far different from what the classroom and textbooks tells us and the way how our minds were set up to digest the history of different countries in every continent including our own.

There are modern historians who are trying to twist the already flawed facts of history that were chronicled during those primitive days where it's authenticity is impossible to prove.

Even that historic landing of the moon was a victim of media documentaries whose sole purpose is to contaminate it with fanciful facts of make-believe that it did not happen, and they tried to develop this weird facts to convince us that the landing was only a well set-up pictorial in the deserts of Nevada.

I guess Lapu-lapu doesn't consider himself a Filipino. Why? Like many filipinos at that time, he won't recognize Spain's sovereignty likewise he won't recognize the name given to this land by Magellan himself, which is Philippines or Filipinas. So technically, he ain't a Filipino, and many others around him aren't - yet.

However, his was the same native blood that flowed (in whole or in part,hehe) on our veins today.. di ba?

So who killed Magellan? I don't know. But as the saying goes: soldiers do the killing and the dying, while Generals take the credit from it all. Macarthur hadn't actually liberated the Philippines all by himself, had he?

Can u give the source from that here please? Just have interest. tahnks

also according to history channel, magellan did not just faced regular tribu warriors, but highly trained and experienced fma kali fighters. instead of stick they use bolo/kampilan... deadly, like those samurai stuff.

lapu lapu didnt kill magellan..his men did

it is like saying mc arthur liberated the philippines.

or maybe they do a hector and achilles thing, they spare magellan and fought leader to leader, like watching suntukan in school backyards.

Nobody knows the real truth and the circumstances cause its all dependent on what you read or if you agree with what you read. For all it is worth he could have died from diarrhea of the mouth

on the other hand, there are modern historians that are trying to straighten out the facts about our history; the way it really happened and not the spaniard's version. think about that..