What are your dream vehicles for PA?

Brand new Bradley IFVs and Kaspirs!

masyadong mahal ang bradley bro.
bili na lang tayo ng singaporean made ifvs ok na yun ;)

Mine-protected Casspir APCs are viable transport vehicles for our troops. South Africa has a lot of refurbished Casspirs for sale.

I think the military is developing an indigenous armored vehicle, I just forgot the name. But I think its similar to the Simba.

The Dingo

The Israeli answer to armored hummers is the German Dingo. This vehicle is actually a commercial Mercedes-Benz UNIMOG 4 x 4 truck with an armored body. The vehicle, with armor, weighs 4.4 tons and normally carries a driver and four passengers (although as many as seven people can squeeze in). It's roughly similar in size and capability to an armored hummer. Israel is buying a hundred of the Dingos. The vehicles will be used for patrolling hostile areas, where small arms fire and roadside bombs may be encountered. The German army has also bought 56 Dingos.

Enough of wheeled vehicles, if we can't afford the Bradley then we go for refurbished M113s or the Gavins.

For light duties, I like this:



The Light RAM. This is a smaller, scout/recon version of the Israeli RAM personnel carrier. The light RAM can be carred in threes inside a C-130, or one inside a CH-53 helicopter. The hull is shortened, and the sides raised, to provide maximum protection to standing occupants. The light RAM has large side doors for entry. The RAM comes in different versions so commonality of parts would be a plus in any AF's inventory.

Anyway, I found this report about our home-grown MX-1 Kalakian.

The Military Equipment Directory

If the MX-1 is cheaper than exported ones, then I say get more! Anything is better than nothing.

your army can look into our light tanks

the thunderbolt


the bionix



good armoured vehicles :D

Heya Singa, Welcome to our Forums.

That Thunderbolt looks like the cancelled US M8 Buford AGS. You mean Singapore bought the design from the US?

I agree that the Bionix looks like a good platform. Question is: how much is it? Its not as if we have bottomless pockets like you do... :)

And you forgot your Terrex.

ya thank you
we admit we donot make really original vehicles and weapons more like we improve existing technology and adapt to our needs :P the thunderbolt will be ok for phillipine terain

well the terrex too but i read above that you're enough of wheeled vehicles so i put in bionix and thunderbolt :D

Nothing to it really. The MX-1 is actually an enlarged Simba so there... So the Thunderbolt/Buford is in service in the SAF now? Where they meant to replace your Centurions?

Anyway, I've always liked the Buford as an AIFV. It puzzles me to no end why the US Army chose the glorified APC that is the Stryker over the Buford.

The M8 Thunderbolt IS the XM8 Buford AGS light tank. The only difference is that they changed the old 105mm cannon with a 120mm.

Its a good tank that was supposed to serve in Iraq with the 82nd Airborne. Unfortunately, they got fucked by the Stryker mafia who reversed the order. :angry:

82nd Airborne fields M8 Buford AGS Light tank!

I also want some amphibious MTVLs.... :P

thank you :thumb: sir for putting this information where I learn many things about our army! I am planning to join the military in the future.

a 120mm gun on a light tank chassis ? darn savvy for the singaporeans to do that
a big wallop in a small package :rocketfire:

the thunderbolt by united defence is still a proposal to replace our amx 13 tanks

@ israeli

are you aware of the IDFs termination of the planned Stryker acquisition?
Israel found the Stryker's protection level grossly inadequate so they are developing their own heavy APC codenamed Nemerah.

The Nemerah will be based either on the old Merkava 1 chassis or the US M113 APC.

We could look into this once a working Nemerah is available. Our M113s could get a similar conversion or workover.

hey there Rallion Tiger! :)

about the IDF's termination of the planned purchase of the Stryker, i heard of that before but i was really surprised that the IDF expressed interest on the Stryker... hehehehehe!

on the development of the Nemerah, the Israelis really have a long way of developing or modifying combat vehicles for themselves. take for example the case of the M113. one of the developments of the M113 in Israeli service is Zelda, which is actually an upgraded M113 APC with armor addition on both sides and front which provide protection against the anti-tank RPG rockets. The Zelda APC has additional protection against land mines. This vehicle is the product of Israel's long experience in armored warfare. a more recent upgrade of the Zelda, the Zelda 2, which incorporates a new concept of armor - primarily blazer armor. Zelda's armor provides protection from such anti-tank misseiles as Spigot, Sagger and Milan. other Israeli modifications to the M113 design include Giref, the anti-tank warfare modification; Alfa, the cargo carrier modification; and Machbet, the air defense modification which carries the Stinger low-level air defense missile...

photos:

M113 Zelda:



M113 Machbet:



M113 Giref:




* for the Philippine Army, i want to see more M113s enter into service and get "modifications" that are similar to those Israeli M113s (example: air defense modification, artillery modification, ambulance modification, etc.) and...

my dream vehicles for the Philippine Army:

* the Pandur 6 x 6 Wheeled Armored Vehicle (Austria):



* ASCOD LT 105 Light Tank:

well the thunderbolt has better 120mm gun compared to ascod 105mm and that israeli m113 mods are too heavy for asian terrain :bounce:

But anyone of those singa will still be good for our military ;)

CV90120 Light Tanks

and

BMP-3 IFVs

hey Rallion Tiger! :)

which do you think between the ASCOD LT 105 and CV 90120 light tanks are better in terms of performance and suitability to Philippine conditions? how many of those light tanks should be purchased by the Philippine Army to replace the old unupgraded Scorpions?

about the BMP-3s, i want this vehicle to enter both Army and Marines service... in PA service, the a better alternative to the AAVP-7s.

wow! i really want the BMP-3s enter Philippine service.... :bounce:


BMP-3:

Singa Lion,

where did Singapore buy its current fleet of AMX-13 light tanks? are there still surplus AMX-13s that the Philippine Army can buy and upgrade to replace the 40 Scorpions that it has in its inventory?

i really find the AMX-13 as one of the "coolest" light tanks around...





Israeli Army AMX-13s (i wonder if these were the AMX-13s that Singapore bought...):

Malaysia is considering and will probably purchase BMP3s for its army this year or early next year.

A PA Mechanized Regiment with 60 BMP3s - impressive ;)

if there is a chance for the Philippine Army to do so, i would love to see 80-100 AMX-13 light tanks enter PA service, replacing the Scorpion light tanks and complementing some M113 fire support vehicles... :D

Are the tanks designated by SAF as SM1 just improved versions of the AMX 13s they acquired from Israel?

the Singaporean AMX-13s are really upgraded ex-Israeli AMX-13s... they were upgraded by the firm Singapore Technologies and were designated as "AMX-13SM1"... ;)

right our SM1s are AMX-13 light tanks we improved with better electronics, armour and engine but its getting old so we are developing new tanks to replace the SM1s, several are planned like the thunderbolt and another with 2 main guns :bounce: and there's one withot guns but only antitank missiles - all will be light tanks though. but personally i prefer for singapore to buy CV90 tanks from sweden and just improve it like we did to amx, CVs are the best light tank in the world today...

this is not very impossible israeli because singapore have around 350 SM1s and if the replacement push thru then thats many tanks for you to have considering that singapore and phillipines are asean countries and friends :) and our SM1s are still best compared to other AMX13s in the service of other countries because of excellent maintenance and upgrades - and very much better compared to your scorpions.

our SM1s feature latest battlefield management systems and sights very good engines and improved armour! :thumb:

Singa, how true is the rumor that Singapore has Main Battle Tanks hidden away just in case some invader with heavy tanks goes Singapore's way?

The rumor is the MBTs are either Merkava Mark IIs and IIIs or Leclercs. ;)

They do have MBTs, though not the types you mentioned. They're British Centurions. And judging by how they maintain their equipment, I'd say they're upgraded to modern standards. And quite possible, a replacement is in their drawing boards.

was there any instance that the Philippines actually used Main Battle Tanks in its history??? i read in the other forum that the Philippine Army used "M48 Pattons" during the Korean War... :unsure:

If I'm not mistaken, the Americans provided only Sherman tanks, not Pattons.

ya thers rumour about merkava and leclercs, centurions too but old tanks.
i really like the new challenger2 or even leopard 2 for our mbts :D

i really like the new Merkava MKIV's.. bad ass. with singapores and israels close ties, any chance singapore might procure it someday? first country outside of israel?..

di siguro kahit best friends ang dalawang yan, I think more possible Merkava Mark III

There are still not a lot of Merk Mk IVs in Israel's inventory so I think they will have to fill their own quota first before exporting some to Singapore.

Singa, your preference of the Chally 2 is a good one, its considered to be the best protected MBT today.

Look at this Swedish CV90 in UN livery in Liberia. The terrain is just similar to that of the Philippines!

Though looking incongruous in United Nations white, that CV90 is one hell of a good AFV. I didn't know until now that Sweden has a peacekeeping presence in Liberia.

CV90s in PA camo - sweet (dream) :drunk:

:lollol: the ugliest color for tanks - un white