here we go again :armyroleyes:

Cops cry 'harassment'
versus 61st IB troopers

The Philippine National Police in Bais City and Manjuyod town were reportedly harassed by some troopers of the 61st Infantry Battalion due to an incident on Dec. 26, 2005.

On board their 6 x 6 truck, army troopers in full battle gear allegedly barged into the police station Sunday looking for the police officers who flagged them down while they were conducting a checkpoint on that day, the anniversary of the Communist Party of the Philippines - New Army.

Initial investigations showed that the army men were offended when they were flagged down.

The Bais City and Manjuyod police stations were conducting checkpoints on that day as a preemptive measure, while the CPP/NPA was celebrating its anniversary.

Reports said the army men were in civilian clothes, but fully armed, and were coming from the north on that day. Reports also said that a certain 2nd Lt. Moy, who claimed to be a member of the 61st IB, led the group.

While outside the police station, the other army troopers mounted an M-60 machinegun.

PNP provincial director, Sr. Supt. Melvin Ramon Buenafe, said he has directed Manjuyod police station commander S/Insp. Roy Abella to submit a written report on the incident.

Meanwhile, residents of Manjuyod as well as those of Bais City were alarmed and expressed fears of an encounter between the police and the army.

They said it is disappointing to note that the army had to quarrel with the police over petty things when they are faced with pressing problems, including the rebel activity in the hinterland barangays.

Reports also had it that the army did not coordinate with the police in their mission while they were in the area of police jurisdiction.*JG

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Those Army guys sucks. No sense of professionalism. Don't they know that NPA's does such kind of modus operandi, sometimes even in military uniforms pretending to be soldiers then raiding small detachments and checkpoints, even police stations?

I remember once while on my way to work I happened to pass by a convoy of fully armed marines. It was a little bit traffic. Then just a car away I saw a policeman in an owner jeep too. The next thing I knew, a road block was hurriedly being set-up by a single FX patrol car in the intersection with about 6 fully armed cops. We thought there would be some bad things to happen and we will be caught in between. Looking at my rear view mirror, a group of marines disembarked with an officer with them. They went to the roadblock to inquire what the problem was. An SPO approached them and challenge the PM were they are going and what are their objectives. We could not hear what they discussed but the PNP guys stood their ground and verified those troop movements by radio. The marines likewise called up their base to inform what happened which was then being coordinated with the Station Commander of the PNP. When everything was cleared traffic went back to normal.

Pure professionalism on both parties. The PNP units doing their job challenging armed group movements. And the PM doing things by the book and not turning to emotions to take place, being fully armed and outgunning the 6 PNP officers, did not used such advantage to intimidate the other side but instead respected their authority.

This happened in Bacoor of which I believed the PM came from Sangley Point.

Ignorance always seek refuge in guns and intimidation.

"LITTLE KNOWLEDGE AND LACK OF DISCIPLINE IS THE MORTAL ENEMY OF PROFESSIONALISM."

This incident where army troopers stormed and mounted their highpowered weapons inftront of the PNP HQ as an offshoot of not being happy of having encountetred law enforcers doing their job is totally deplorable that merits drastic actions from the branch of the AFP concerned, otherwise, the rule of law within that branch of the AFP is a Micky Mouse. :headbang:

I remember when I was still working in a military base in Saudi, the police has more power than the military. Tell any abusive military man that you will report him to the police he would immediately change his attitude.

This should be the case always and changes only during "martial rule" or war time.

Seems some of our military men can't get rid of the Martial Law days of Marcos whom they claim have removed.

very professional indeed for both sides... i like the speed (and courage) in which the pnp setup the checkpoint to intercept the armed group...... and the calm manner the marine officer handled the situation......

i think this attitude can be traced back to their academy days..... pma cadets look down on their pnp counterparts.....

what is happening to our Army people nowadays? where's the vaunted discipline? if they can do that to policemen then imagine what those ill-mannered dipshits can do to mere civilians :nono:

when i was still a a consumer goods salesman and assigned in Eastern Samar back in the early 80's, I have to pass several checkpoints while going to interior towns and villages, a checkpoint could be manned by soldiers or communist rebels and you know what, never once did we have to give samples of our products (cigarettes, soaps, liquor) to the NPA rebels in their checkpoints, they never demanded and were generally more courteous than the soldiers who oftentimes demanded samples of cigarettes (in reams!) from our delivery truck.

and I thought half the fight against communism is winning the hearts and minds of the people :armyroleyes:

:exactly: That Martial Law mentality during the Marcos era is still flowing in the blood veins of some of our military men and they were still ignorant of the fact that despotism powered by guns and intimidation is the critical issue that aggravated the proliferation of the leftist and insurgency, AND THEY STILL LOVE AND BEEN INSPIRED BY THAT UNFORTUNATE LEGACY-- WHY ?

This is very prevalent in most provincial areas.

NPAs wore military uniform to disguise themselves as govt soldiers.

That Lt. (TAKE NOTE OF THE RANK) should be sent back to PMA for more briefing on the real scanarios here.

The Army Chief should tell his guys to do their job PROFESSIONALLY.

Kakahiya naman ang bagitong Tenyente na yan. Medyo hilaw pa sa pagganap ng tungkilin nya.

Kung bugok sya ay magiging bugok din tauhan niya.

THE LIEUTENANT IS NOT FIT TO "LEAD" AN ARMY.

Pabalikin muna sa PMA baka kulang pa sa natutunan. :exactly:

Pabalikin sa PMA ? waste of time he's been there for considerable years enough to be a good soldier.

The appropriate place for him is the stockade before and after court martial. He should have been a model representing the academy and the army not a menace to the society . :headbang:

:agree:
Para di pamarisan ng iba.

any update in this incident? or pinabayaan na lang as usual?

This is a serious case and allowing it to disappear into thin air by whitewash and deliberate intent of cover-up is no different from mockery of justice. Those who will be instrumental to it should be punished let it be the aggressor or the complaining witnesses.

Proper investigation by the right authorities should be expected in such a speedy manner that the aggressors will be rubbished out from the military service and charged in the civil courts criminally from the officer who give the orders down to the subordinates who comply or followed the stinky orders to mount the intimidation by mounting high caliber weapons infront of the Police Station. Why there?

They should have mounted those weapons infront or directly into the noses of the enemy or known lairs of the NPA. :headbang:

And not doing anything about this will make the rest of the soldiers think that it's okay to do the same crime and they can get away with it easily.

Now, that's the biggest problem.

Moreover, the enemies of the state may use this to entice more recruits.

THIS WILL ALSO WIDEN THE GAP BETWEEN THE PEOPLE AND THE SOLDIERS.

Let's not forget that the reason why the rebels are thriving is that the people sympathize with them.

The recent encounter in Sulu, which resulted to the death of 2 ASG members, was due to the cooperation of the people there who tipped off the military about the ASG's presence.

GAINING THE COMMUNITY'S TRUST IS VITAL HERE TO END THE REBELLION.

hopefully this one will not be another case of whitewash in the military. :armyroleyes:

just like what happened on recent a jailbreak in batangas... i think 9 NPA prisoners were freed by by their comrades in army uniform taking with guns of the jailguards.. :headbang:
they should have been summary executed before it happened.. :demon:

I know you're not serious about that, but in case some may be thinking about doing it, ... is not the right thing to do.

We are not hitting the real problem here, which is THE COMPLACENCY AND NEGLIGENCE ON THE PART OF THE JAILGUARDS.

I believe the AFP should now consider detaining all captured rebels in Bicutan so that their comrades will not be tempted to rescue them.

The rebels are encouraged by the thought that MOST police stations are lightly manned.

For the PNP, there should be a policy that will prevent the local police units from storing too many weapons and ammos in its armory.

ALL UNUSED WEAPONS SHOULD BE STORED IN THE REGIONAL OR PROVINCIAL HEADQUARTERS INSTEAD, since these are guarded more tightly.

lets admit it... TANGA ANG ARMY.... incompetent, or just plain dumb..... tapos tatalunin ang npa in 3 years time? DONT MAKE ME LAUGH

buti pa marines, o sr, o lrc.... pero kaunti sila masyado.... DI NILA KAYA TABUNAN ANG KATANGAHAN NG ARMY..... regular army natin walang common sense, lax discipline, mga hambog, inom ng inom sa ktv bars, lazy security procedures, OR JUST PLAIN TANGA!!!!


how about the PNP? baka mas malala pa..... di na nga 24 hours pulis natin, ang yayabang pa, tapos TANGA DIN.......

BICUTAN HIGH-SECURITY JAIL? its a joke..... ilan na nakatakas dun? ilang jailguards na ang naagawan ng baril dun? pati nga armory nila, nakalimutan i-ground kaya ayun... sumabog ng tinamaan ng kidlat..... DIYOS KONG KATANGAHAN YUN!!!!

as i said, MGA TANGA TALAGA!!!