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Title: EAST MEETS WEST
Description: Russian-Western hybrids


possible - January 25, 2006 08:59 PM (GMT)
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http://www.pica.army.mil/voice2004/040820/...ystemDesign.htm

the AM 2B9 Vasilyek is a Soviet-era 82mm autofire mortar fed by a four-round clip, a version being marketed by NORINCO. US Army armorers adapted the weapon to fire from the 4.5 tonne Hummer, with a direct-fire capability out to 1 kilometer. four mortar bombs can be pumped-out in 1.5 seconds.

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http://www.shipunov.com/eng/bron/single.htm

the most heavily-armed IFV is arguably the BMP-3, the complete turret having been mounted on a Turkish FNSS product similar to the PA's AIFV and labeled ACV-SW.

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HUGE pic

another turret suitable for hybridization is the Kluiver 30mm+KORNET-E combo:

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more later... :crawling:

GKB02 - January 26, 2006 12:33 AM (GMT)
that IFV(FS) is really good looking :bow:
can we still upgrade our AIFV's like that?

Wushu - January 26, 2006 07:20 AM (GMT)
that bmp3 turret sure looks good on our aifv's :thumb:

Lt.superman - January 27, 2006 07:44 AM (GMT)
ok lang nice naman tipid sa pera :snipemo: :patrioticpinoy: :salute:

possible - January 27, 2006 08:27 AM (GMT)
good question. I assume the two-man 2A70 BMP-3 turret is heavier than the one-man 25mm turret on our AIFVs. so upgrading to the latter will also require changing the engine or even adding a roadwheel (the ACV-SW has six roadwheels vs. five on the AIFV) meaning a hull stretch. those upgrades are available for the M113 (Canadian MTLV, German WARAN), will look up the possibility for the Scorpion as well.

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http://www.armyrecognition.com/Amerique_du...fication_UK.htm

israeli - January 27, 2006 03:02 PM (GMT)
^ cool inputs, comrade possible. :thumb:

do you think the Israeli Tiran 4 and 5 modification of the T-55 main battle tank can be included in the "East Meets West" list? :armywink:

it will be really wise for the PA and other branches of the AFP to actually consider "cloning" Eastern and Western technologies in order to come up with potent weapons and equipment that can answer the needs of the Philippine military. however, how ready is the Philippines to adopt such a measure given the fact that this country has been heavily dependent on Western-made, particularly American, stuff since its independence?

possible - January 27, 2006 09:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (israeli @ Jan 27 2006, 11:02 PM)
how ready is the Philippines to adopt such a measure given the fact that this country has been heavily dependent on Western-made, particularly American, stuff since its independence?

no more difficult than adopting American weapons.

the Philippines' "dependence" on American hardware is just a myth. "dependence" means having a large investment or installed base of a specific type, but the AFP does not field large numbers of American armored vehicles - difficulty arises from having thousands of personnel used to operating a certain type who then need to be retrained on a different platform, the PA's paucity of armored assets is actually a blessing in terms of new acquisitions since we're practically starting from scratch, no suddenly-redundant large stockpiles of spares and ammo or decades-old training courses to rewrite.

consider the specific item to be introduced into the inventory. hardware like the BMP-3's 2A70 and 2A72, no problem: other than the weapon itself, ammunition and spare barrels are the sole replaceables to invest in. turrets take power from the vehicle's engine so all their complexity lies in fire-control electronics, but then the PA can specify the exact model sensors meeting its needs.

engines, those are the problem items: would they take well to local gasoline (or diesel, engine oil?) are your existing toolkits and screws compatible? where the hell do you get Russian batteries? how about the wiring? - in all likelihood, Russian engines may have parts that Pinoy mechanics have never heard of, and be missing components that we take for granted. so best to forego them, Eastern-bloc engines are an unnecessary risk when there are so many surplus M113s and AIFVs available on the market that can stand upgrading.

so mate Eastern-bloc weapons and turrets to these familiar Western chassis or existing PA assets. one of the more significant advantages making the latter worth considering, being, that there are so many producers of ammunition for Russian weaponry: ex-Warsaw Pact/new NATO states, Pakistan, India, Egypt, and the former Soviet Republics export ammo for tanks, artillery, mortars, and of course small-arms.

this also means that the technology for manufacturing Russian ammunition is easier to obtain and absorb, hence introducing the right kind of Russian or Eastern-bloc weapons into the PA inventory might make the AFP's goal of Self-Reliance closer to attainment. and may even lead to a more independent foreign policy, if strong leadership to exploit present opportunities can be supplied on our end.

M16 - January 31, 2006 09:16 AM (GMT)
ya its a great idea to do kasi ang budget natin is maliit so laking tipid for us
:patrioticpinoy:




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