QnetiQ, a defense and security technology firm based in the United Kingdom, has tapped Keppel Philippines Marine for a PhP980-million contract to repair three Philippine Navy patrol vessels.

The vessels will undergo repair one after the other at the Keppel Batangas Shipyard.

Philippine Navy Admiral Ernesto de Leon said the project should be completed in 24 months, or by November 2006.

"We are refurbishing the vessels by putting it back into its original design," Mr. de Leon said.

BRP Emilio Jacinto arrived at Keppel Batangas three weeks ago, while BRP Apolinario Mabini and BRP Artemio Ricarte are set to arrive in the first and second quarter of 2005.

The PhP980-million project was awarded to QinetiQ, which in turn subcontracted the overhaul and equipment installation to Keppel Philippines.

QinetiQ specialization includes battle-space information, communications, electronic warfare, sensors and weapons.

"This is our first project with Keppel. The shipyard has the facilities, the skills and the capacity to carry out the work," QinetiQ Philippines President Alistair Bisset said.

Keppel Batangas has handled the maintenance and refurbishment of other vessels of the Philippine Navy.

The shipyard has been running for 28 years, and the Keppel Group acquired it under the government's privatization program in 1993.

"Our appointment as subcontractor by QinetiQ attests to Keppel Batangas' ability to meet special requirements for complex projects," said Ko Lin Toh, president of Keppel Marine Philippines.

The Duke of York, Prince Andrew Albert Christian Edward Windsor, went on a 15-minute check on the repairs being done on BRP Emilio Jacinto at Keppel Batangas on Dec. 4.

Business World

:thumb:

QinetiQ chose very wisely. Keppel Philippines Marine Inc. has the facilities, savvy, and especially the special steels technology to do the job. Good Filipino workforce and engineers. Lots of solid backing from Keppel in Singapore.

I hope more local manufacturing contracts (and subcontracts) spill downstream, as the AFP modernizes. The growth of local capability in defense manufacture can't be a bad thing.

QinetiQ not surprisingly does a lot of work for the UK Royal Navy, on top of non-military commercial contracts the world over. Here is their press release from a year ago, when they first bagged the management contract for the Jacinto Corvettes' overhaul:


03 December 03
QinetiQ signs agreement to manage £10.4m upgrade contract for the Philippine Navy

QinetiQ, Europe's leading science and technology solutions provider,
has received formal go ahead for a contract for what will be the first
phase of a multi-million pound contract to upgrade three Jacinto Class
patrol vessels (JCPVs) for the Philippine Navy.

The £10.4m first phase contract involves supplying the Philippines
Navy with upgrade services and support that will allow the patrol
vessels to meet their operational capabilities over the course of the
next 15-20 years.

The upgrade involves the installation of an advanced new weapons
system, the boat's 25mm canon, the design and manufacture of its
seating and the overhaul of the main 75mm gun up forward. The
installation of modern navigation aids, fire control systems, and the
complete integration of all related systems are also part of the
programme.

The three ex-RN Hong Kong patrol ships, Built by Hall Russel of
Aberdeen, Scotland, have a displacement of 712 tons and are
powered by Pielstick diesel engines with two shafts, producing 14,188
bhp with a top speed of 25 knots.

The contract was signed with the Philippine Department of National
Defence. Under terms of the agreement, QinetiQ, which has extensive
experience in managing similar complex managed services such a
through-life support projects for naval vessels and military aircraft, will
manage the upgrade of three JCPVs.

QinetiQ managing director David Anderson said: "This is an exciting
project which sees QinetiQ extending its reputation into the ASEAN
region."

Two other major phases of the project covering propulsion and through
life support are currently under negotiation.

The Jacinto class patrol vessels form a central capability in the
Philippines national security and counter terrorism activities. They
patrol a vast stretch of coastline stretching from the Luzon strait at the
very northern tip of the islands near Taiwan, down to the island of
Mindanao in the Celebes sea, waters which experience large volumes
of traffic from neighbouring Malaysia, Indonesia and beyond.

The Philippine Navy's principal mission is to protect and police the
nation's 7,100 islands with a combined coastline of 36,289 kilometres,
double that of the United States.

The Philippine Navy provides support for important support missions
for the other armed forces and agencies of the government, especially
in transporting troops and equipment between islands. It occasionally
joins with other services in conducting joint operations and amphibious assaults.

Nice work Navy !!! :thumb: :thumb:

They should also consider arming these Peacock-class corvettes with missiles to match our neighbor's aggressiveness.

:exactly:

We must also enhance the Air Force units backing them up in their external defense missions.

It's about time we get the first batch of our Multi-Role Fighters to support our Navy fleet in its external defense tasks.

GO NAVY! :armycheers:

Hi flipzi,

While there is a budding support infrastructure for naval vessel maintenance and refit here locally, perhapsthe same cannot be said for aircraft, particularly aircraft types as hard on the airframe as what you have in mind. Maybe I'm wrong. It's sad that PADC got the shaft. From assembling aircraft kits, and suibcontracting smll components locally --there grows the necessary basis for sustainable national air power.

We cannot forever ship everything to our friends in Singapura for repairs.



Just me, but four areas for serious consideration in promoting overall defense self-reliance are

-the conscious development of a local industry for specialty ordnance --armor penetrating sabot rounds, extended range (pop-up fin) naval ordnance, timed-fuse AA rounds....etc. Most of the technology is very old hat anyway, but a local, independent capability of supplying the AFP should be encouraged... if Serge Osmena can be made to shut up.
Floro Int'l is already making nice progress in defense manufacturing, and should be encouraged. Armscor has completely lost track of the opportunities before it, blinded by civilian handgun and ammo dollars.

-the conscious promotion of a local industry in radar and sonar components and circuitry. Thence comes the seeds of a local FCS, Guidance, ECM and ECCM manufacturing and design capability, serving all branches of the AFP.

-small to medium craft hull construction/refitting. There is already a present industry in refitting existing hulls for the commercil sector. Local shipyards already know how to produce complex hull chines. It's no big stretch to mke a 30 meter hull from scratch. This contract for overhauling the Jacinto class is part of a great way to start.

hayayay.... sorry for the ramble.


Let me rephrase, and briefly:

:patrioticpinoy:
:thumb:


-horge

That's hitting two birds with one stone!

We really have to go for "locally manufacturing these assets".

This will greatly boosts the govt's effort in generating jobs for many underemployed and unemployed folks.

It may even make us become among the world's top exporters of these products or services.

The key here is HOW WE CAN GET THE TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO GET US A GOOD JUMPSTART.

So how?

Well, team up with best possible partner.
:exactly:

Australia and the European builders are good choices.

BUT WE HAVE TO START NOW before we lose out to our neighbors who are also exporting defense hardwares now....

... and before our govt's resolve is challenged by an inconsiderate but superior force again in the future.

:armygrin:

My impression is that Tenix is hemming/hawing on providing PC or baby-OPV
configuration upgrade proposals for the Philippine SAR vessels,
because it is waiting on a successful ink-thoroughly-dried bid to replace
Australia's Fremantle class ships. (I hope we don't do a Peacock all
over again and buy Fremantle boats). I don't think they have ever
entertained our suggestions of local Philippine subcontract in
construction of Tenix vessels.

The Philippine government is possibly hoping that the 10-plus
(Tenix-built) SAR ships can be upgraded to bear arms,

sigh. I want a single remote cannon up front on the 56meter,
with 2 SAM's, 2 SSM's, throw in ASW capability, torpedo decoys,
TWO armed choppers on board, the usual ECM/ECCM, etc...
the 35meters could make great patrol craft with a cannon up front
and 2-3 LMG's, possibly a Penguin and all the usual wiring
...just my idle daydreming, alas

If Tenix wins the bid to supply the Fremantle replacements,
we may have a harder time obtaining any militarized upgrades
(particularly hull reinforcement for shock) from them --both for
reasons of Tenix workload and any possible ANZAC design exclusivity.
I'm just guessing, of course.

BAe Marine (formerly Yarrow and a bunch of other companies) and
QinetiQ (formerly known as DERA) had long wanted to upgrade the
Jacinto class and all other PN ships in service, as well as PN facilities.
They've lusted for it almost since the HK ships were handed over,
and it's been a loooooong wait for them. The French? Not a political
possibility. The Israelis sell suites and components, and are a
NATURAL go-to if we ever mke our own, on our own... I mean,
we already have the Korean connection to RAFAEL, right?

Keppel is a gem in our local construction resources, and not just
for its local facilities and resources. The Singaporean connection is a
real plus, tactically and strategcally. We have a slowly-returning
practical relation with Singapore --although things may never return
to the friendliness prior to Flor Contemplacion's murder.

Singapore and the Philippines are the most natural allies in the region
in terms of national interests. Just as most need regional alliances to
contain China, Singapore has an extra policy of containing Malaysia.
We and Indonesia share a fairly old mistrust of Malaysia, so maybe
we have always been on Singapore's list of desirable allies. It's perhaps
in Singapore's interest for us to remain a credible, if mild,
military concern for Malaysia.

Hayayay... all the mistrust...
Malaysia holds territory once 'belonging' to Indonesia,
Singapore is raditionally viewed by 'apartheid' Malaysia as a
renegade island (Taiwan-China, anyone?). Marcos was supposed to
have encouraged an invasion and conquest of Sabah....
but I've digressed yet again.


Let's hope the local servicing of larger Navy vessels can lead to
increasingly local manufacture of the same.

:)

BRP San Juan(SAR 001), built by Tenix of Australia


Nice info you got there, horge! :thumb:

BTW, based on what you know about these shipbuilders, which one do you think shall be the best partner for us?


Hey, you may also check this info; :specool:


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Recent Philippine Navy ship purchases between 1993 and 1998 included the following: Two(2) Frank Besson class 4,200 ton amphibious transports (1993-1994), Two(2) Philippine-made large patrol gunboats, 279 tons (1995-1998), Twelve(12) South Korean Sea Killer 74-ton patrol gunboats (1993-1994), Six(6) South Korean Sea Dolphin 170-ton patrol gunboats (May 1995) and Twenty Four(24) Halter Marine 56-ton patrol crafts(1996-1998). Supposedly, between six to eleven of these Halter Marine patrol craft will be armed with MM.15 SSM or ROCKWELL Hellfire missiles


An example of the South Korean 121 footer Sea Dolphin patrol gunboat in service with the Philippine Navy. It is armed with one(1) single-barreled 40mm Bofors anti-aircraft gun, one(1) double-barreled 30mm Emerlec anti-missile gun and two(2) Oerlikon 20mm anti-aircraft guns. It has a top speed of up to 40 knots.


This is an example of a MK38 25mm automatic cannon installed on a number of the Philippine Navy Halter-Marine 56 ton patrol craft. This cannon can fire either single shot or 200 rounds/minute up to 6,000 meters.


A 78 footer Halter-Marine patrol boat in service with the Philippine Navy. It carries one(1) 25 mm automatic cannon, four(4) 12.7mm heavy machineguns and two(2) 7.62mm light machineguns.
Jane's Defense Weekly reported details on future ship purchases in early September. For the years 1996 to 2000, there is a P3.5 billion peso overhaul program for 10 large vessels--4 transport ships, 1 repair ship, 1 multi-mission vessel and 4 patrol ships. The overhauls include replacing main and auxiliary engines, enhancing electrical systems, making structural improvements and new fire-control, weapons, and anti-ship missile systems.

Specific ships to be overhauled were not mentioned, but may include four(4) Barnegat-class 2,800 ton frigates dating back to WWII and laid up in the late 1980s; one Achelous-class 4,300 ton repair ship, also laid up in the late 1980s; and the Type 511 or Type 512-1152 LSTs, of which the Philippine Navy had 24 examples in the 1980s.

The single "multi-mission vessel" may refer to one of the two Cannon-class DEs, the Savage Class DE radar picket, or to the 2,700 ton Presidential Yacht, the "El Presidente"(Ang Pangulo) which was used as a reconnaissance ship during the Spratly crisis earlier this year with Communist China.

Finally, due to the vastly improved Philippine economy, the Navy was able to get a new weapons and ships purchase budget for the 15 year period 1996 to 2010 of $5.5 billion dollars.

For the years 1996 to 2000, there are P12.4 billion pesos earmarked to buy brand new ships, including one(1) mine countermeasures (MCMV) ship; two(2) search and rescue(SAR) 56 meter ships; six(6) fast attack craft(FACs) with short-range SSMs; two(2) fast attack craft(FACs) with medium-range SSMs; three(3) offshore patrol vessels(OPVs), and two(2) guided missile corvettes.



One of the two Search and Rescue(SAR) ships, the BRP San Juan(SAR 001), built by Tenix of Australia now in service with the Philippine Coast Guard(PCG). These 56 meter long SAR ships have a 807 ton displacement and come equipped with a helicopter deck over the stern for Bell or Sikorsky helicopters. These ships also carry six(6) rescue boats for 65 persons each, one(1) interception boat and four(4) SOLAS life-rafts each capable of loading 25 persons. They have a speed of up to 24 knots, a range of 2,000 miles and can carry 300 survivors during a SAR mission or more than 300 troops on a troop lift mission.


The FF-21 Frigate is one of the ships being offered for sale to the Philippine Navy. It comes in several lengths including 85 meter, 125 meter and 150 meter versions.
For the years 2000 to 2010, plans include purchases of thirty-three(33) more missile patrol craft(FACs), nine more OPVs, two(2) more MCMVs, four(4)more SARs, four(4) Amphibious Transport ships, four(4) more guided missile corvettes, and three(3) guided missile frigates.

The ship purchases are made possible even though the budget is small because most of the ships will be built in the Philippines using domestic navy shipyards and low cost labor (including naval personnel), along with technology transfers.
NOTE:This Information came from open unclassified public access sources, and is also available at the www page of the "International Naval Studies Group(INSG)".


FULL DETAILS with photos:

http://philippinenavy.tripod.com/navy5.html

Hi. I hope you don't mind more of my lengthy navel-gazing, hehe...


I think QinetiQ - Keppel is the ticket.
Keppel, because outfits like Tsuneishi, Wallern, BASECO, Ultra and the
like, all seem less than ready for anything further than the usual
bump and grind of maintaining commercial vessels.

An STE (Singapore Technologies Engineering) -Keppel matchup is
almost unavoidable. STE bought Halter Marine 2 years ago ---yes, the
same Halter Marine we made a local-build contract with for the pretty
decent Andrada class (24m) patrol boats in the early 90's. Revisit
the 'Halter Marine' arrangement, but for larger, and much faster craft
this time.



I would also want the PN to do 4 things:

1. Get into a design-build agreement with QinetiQ, again stipulating
Keppel as the shipyard and at least five other Philippine contractors,
not just for stuff like fire safety systems, water purification systems
and such-- I'm talking about electronics. By stipulating a design that
uses a ton of COTS (commercial off-the-shelf) components, lots of
downstrem local subcontractors get involved. Ask for a 70m, 800ton
SSM-capable high-endurance PC tht's armed to the tooth plaque.

In all my ignorance... I personally don't buy the traditional OPV
philosophy that sacrifices armament for endurance (supplies and fuel
take up space, yes?). The Philippines' EEZ is NOT as 'blue water' as
most think. When European or US designers talk about blue water, they're
thinking force projection into the other side of the globe, not patrolling
a mere 200-300 nM from shore...

2. Take a hard look at GIAT's 'Pelican' extended range ordnance.
These are cannon shells that deploy fins at the apex of their travel,
giving a 40mm round a range of over 65 km. There are even
now, 'GPS-guided' versions of these in the final stages of R&D, but if our
Government Arsenal can manufacture something like the unguided
Pelicans--- hoyhoyhoy!! Best of all we wouldn't have to ask for
anyone's permission to have/use them and their improved successors.

3. Start R&D on a small solid-fuel, radar-guided SSM. Something short
range, like 2 km for starters. Start small, and learn the ropes on gyro,
servomotor fin and radar homing technology. It may be rocket
science, but we do have the bare technological base to make it happen,
(like, we've made 'dumb' ASM's before). The sensory system is actually
the easier part --it is ensuring reliability and durability vs. elements in
the final product that is hard. If we pull it off, then a 4km, 8 km, on
to 25 km version isn't too hard to imagine. Even if we never catch up
to the world's Defense Industry giants, we still can't afford to have
a tech base so far behind that we even can't maintain what we buy:
look at our poor F-5's!

4. Buy/beg/borrow/steal two subs. Even if they aren't state of the art,
and have no ASM capability, they're there for psychological deterrence.
At least three enclosed sub pen stations throughout the archipelago
(likely linked to existing naval stations), to keep the MF'ers guessing
where they are. Basta first-class torpedoes and sensory sys --even if it
costs much more than the tub itself.

5. Patrol more and talk less.
Here lies the increasing personal ambivalence I have towards posting
here, and sites like manokski's and Opus' .... they can be abused as
easy starting-point information resources by hostile elements, both
domestic and foreign, large and small. I'd especially hate it if the
present locations of active and mothballed assets were to be divulged.

Loose lips sink ships. Believe it.
I guess this forum is okay, hehehe, because the sheer volume of
BS like mine may camouflage whatever dangerously-good info
may be present.

:drunk:


.

Your suggestion sounds worthwhile. :thumb:

"Patrol more and talk less", you say?

:exactly: what the country needs to do.

Why? What else were you thinking about what we do here in the first place?

:armycheers:

Bring 'em on! :armyLol:

Well, honestly now, we are here because much of us need to hear what some of us have to say.

:armywink:

It's just a matter of learning from each other's views.

http://home.comcast.net/~manokski/jacintophotos.htm

mblt6,
Thanks for that!

On a barely-related note, I was pretty stunned that
the Duke of York pushed ahead with this business trip,
considering the severe weather at the time.

hey you naval experts horge , mblt, etc. i know of course that the Harpoon will not fir on the Peacock ships so what anti-ship missile/s are most applicable for these vessels if in case the PN finally decides (or gets the the money) to have these ships fitted with ASMs?

zeroalpha:

Hi!
I'm no expert, not by a long stretch, hehe.
From the little I know ...I'd suspect short-range Penguins or even mid-range Gabriels could be worked into the Emilio Jacinto, without too much difficulty.

:)

Im all for missile arming whatever ship in our inventory that could carry any form of missile. Penguin or Gabriel would do, in fact anything as long as it is known that our surface vessels carry missiles.

Its a major factor in any defensive and offensive posture.

Missile systems usually have sensor packages and targeting systems included if it were to be retrofitted to older ships.

Fish,

I heard that Rafael (out of its SoKor office) has been angling for a shot at providing comprehensive suites for certain PN boats longing to be overhauled. The high degree of automation they sell might not match up with the manpower available in the PN, though.

Aside from the Israelis, there are the British and of course our friends the Americans. I'd suspect the Continental Europeans are still very, very wary after the Fraport fiasco... and perhaps carefully watching this QinetiQ contract unfold.


horge

Horge,

I also hope that the Qinetiq deal sets precedence so that offensive suite upgrades are expected down the line.

As for automation of offensive operations, we have already embraced CIC operations aboard most of our ships, the procedures are in place and human machine interface of the suites are likely compatible. Though I am more worried about the maintenance procedures of the suites and the corresponding spares.

what is the use of repair and upgrading if the weapons are not upgraded to missiles?

GOOD QUESTION :thumb:

Why spend the money for a bigger ship that can only perform the tasks being done by smaller ships also?

Maintaining this piece of junk will only drain our resources. :exactly:

If it cannot do better than what a patrol craft does THEN IT IS NOT WORTH MAINTAINING AT ALL.

Sayang lang pera! Kung anti-piracy lang ay bumili na lang tayo ng mas marami pero maliit at mas murang i-maintain na assets.

The military must not assume that these Cyclone-class and even the Jacinto class vessels will scare off the modern ships of our neighbors.

Those modern ships can sink our ships from miles away.

It will be better if we sell all our WW2 vintage ships to commercial maritime operators or just sink them in our "fish sanctuary project" sites.

:exactly: Not a :funnypost: to be honest.


Let's sell all these junks which are good for catching pirates only and use the proceeds to buy better ones.

Fish,
IIRC part of the whole Qinetiq proposal included long-term servicing and maintenance, as well as future upgrades. As sensory, FCS, atbp. suites, basta COTS-heavy naman ang components (like Rafael's), then sourcing replacements and spares towards servicing/maintenance is made easier.

Local infrastructure for maintenance cannot develop as quickly as if we had our own native defense industry, supported by the national government. We've talked about locally-developed missiles before, right? There ARE local contractors with expertise in sensory array design and manufacture... it's not THAT hard to build the infrastructure. Huwag lang ha-harangin na naman ang mga Kano.


Stalker and Flipzi,
Smaller boats generally don't have the range/endurance of bigger ships.
They don't have the displacement to handle heavier seas.
A surplus of on-board armament does you little good if foul weather keeps your ships in port, but doesn't bother the enemy.

All this talk of selling our 'junk' to buy newer and better ships needs a reality check: probable sale proceeds versus current pricetags. There just isn't any money to jumpstart the PN into a credible external defense force.

-a very strong Navy requires a constant deluge of wealth to assemble, operate and maintain.
-wealth requires entrepreneurship and investment.
-entrepreneurship and investment pay off only in a stable, peaceful, lawful environment.
-the key threats to our stability, peace and law are terrorism/rebellion

So, if our PN seems better suited to patrolling against pirates and terrorists than against foreign-navy assets --it's still a critical role they reprise day in and day out, with vigilance, diligence and courage. efforts. Thence come the seeds of national security and national stability. Sprouting, growing and bearing fruit in the form of national wealth, and the ability to afford better tools for our men and women in the PN.


.

I can see the same reason there.

Nonetheless, we should start fitting our bigger ships with missiles so that we can at least set the pace NOW towards making our ships FIT ENOUGH to do its tasks of protecting our interest when foreign aggressors start getting too aggressive.

:exactly:

and what bigger ships of your navy will you put missiles on? are there any ?

you better put catapults on ..............

:)

You're quite right, there aren't any bigger ships...
and I know you're kidding about the catapults.

Ballistas are easier to stabilize anyway.

;)

I dont believe that you need BIG ships as that of modern frigates to get your missile systems up and running.

:dunno:

If an aircraft, which are much smaller than even our corvettes, can fire these anti-ship missiles, then why cant our corvettes?

What do you think are we trying to fit these ships with? We are not trying to arm these with ICBM, right?

There are even gunboats in the market fitted with SSMs and ..

... THERE ARE A LOT OF CORVETTES IN MARKET FITTED WITH GUIDED MISSILES.

So why are you saying that the Jacinto and even the Cyclone-class ships aren't suited to be fitted with SSMs?


Check this:

Peacock Class Offshore Patrol Vessels

The five Peacock Class Offshore Patrol Vessels were ordered in 1981 to replace the ageing converted Ton Class Minesweepers as Hong Kong Patrol vessels. Built by Hall Russell in Aberdeen they were not unlike the Castle Class in design, although smaller, faster and better armed. They marked a significant improvement in capability over the vessels they replaced, being capable of operating in the Far East, outside local Hong Kong waters.

Three quarters of the construction coasts were paid for by the Hong Kong government. Upon completion, Peacock and Plover sailed from Portsmouth in autumn 1984 and reached the colony in late November. They were followed joined by Swallow, Swift and Starling and were based at HMS Tamar,

The class was designed specifically for patrol duties in Hong Kong waters. As well as ‘flying the flag’ and providing a constant naval presence in region, they could undertake a number of different roles including Seamanship, Navigation and Gunnery training and Search-and-Rescue duties for which they had facilities to carry divers (including a decompression chamber) and equipment to recover vessels and aircraft. They also worked with the Marine Department of the Hong Kong Police and with Customs & Excise in order to prevent the constant flow of illegal immigrants, narcotics and electronic equipment into the Colony.

With a displacement of 652 tons, the Peacock Class measured 62.2 metres in length, 10 metres in beam and 2.72 metres in draught. Powered by two Crossley Pielstick diesels they had a speed of over 25 knots. The Peacock Class were the first warships fitted with the single 76mm Oto Melera Gun and they were also armed with four General Purpose Machine Guns and two rocket launchers amidships. For anti-smuggling and Search-and-Rescue operations they carried two Avon Searider SR5M craft and a small detachment of Royal Marines. Complement consisted of 6 officers and 38 ratings, of which half were usually recruited from the local Hong Kong Chinese population. For work in tropical climates they were fully air conditioned and capable of remaining at sea during Typhoons.

In 1988, after just three years of service, Swallow and Swift returned to the United Kingdom and in October were sold to the Irish Navy and renamed Ciara and Orla, respectively. The Royal Navy ensured that at least one the remaining three vessels- Peacock, Plover and Starling - was always at sea until the colony reverted to Chinese rule at Midnight on June 30th 1997. During this period each vessel carried out as many as 500 boardings a year. The three vessels then withdrew from the Colony, accompanied the Royal Yacht Britannia and the Type 22 Frigate Chatham. The three vessels returned to the United Kingdom to await their fate. Although there was some suggestion that they should join the Fishery Protection Squadron they were quickly sold to the Philippines.

REFERENCE:

http://www.btinternet.com/~warship/Postwar...rol/peacock.htm

Those "rocket launchers" mentioned in the article are said to be flare projectors.

Question: why would you arme those Peacocks with short-range line-of-sight missiles like Penguins, Gabriels or even AS 15 TTs, when it already has a rapid fire 76mm gun with practically the same range.

We should atleast fit those ships with Harpoons, Exocet MM40s or even Otomat MK42s. More practical, but expensive. :agree:?

:agree:

ang gusto ng PN para sa mga Peacockchu ay harpoon.
yung sea skua ay masyadong maliit at kasing layo lang ang abot ng oto melara gun

hehehe... :armywink:

sabi na eh..

siguro they just dont want to declassify this right now.

If this is true that they are indeed now beginning to make it a reality then it will be good for our country.

Good Move, NAVY!!!

:armycheers:

what made you so sure that acquiring harpoons is a done deal for the PN flipzi?

Nope. I am not really expecting that they'll do that.

I just got elated with what "Sultan lapu-lapu" has just said.

It may not lead to what we all desire the Navy should do to these Peacock-class ships but the mere taking into consideration of arming this with missiles gives us hope that the Navy is giving it a closer look.

Where would they install Harpoons on those Peacocks? They would have to remove the stern crane and give up those smaller crafts the ships carry, just to accomodate any missile system.

Maybe those corvettes weren't really designed to carry missiles.

the Jacinto class patrol vessels are purposely-built patrol vessels. the British did not think of the possibility of arming them with SSMs. it will take a modification of the design of the Jacinto (the PN already has the rights for the designs of the Jacinto class PVs) for SSMs or any other additional combat system to be installed on it.

the Philippine Navy could perhaps consider the purchase of surplus missile-armed fast attack crafts from abroad such as the German Tiger class, Greek Combattante II class and Israeli Sa'ar 4 class. ;)

can someone explain really why there is a need for missiles to be added to our old ships because i think its not necessary given the fact that the ships are too old and no longer cost effective - even if we have missiles the unknown factor is whether our ships can detect the enemy ships first in order to fire first the missiles??


:dunno:

once you put a long range missile such as the harpoon on a ship, you are changing the name designation or the mission order of the ship.
so in the case of the jacinto class which is currently classed as an OPV, once you install missiles on it with fire controls ,etc, the crane and the RHIBs can be removed and transfered to another ship classif feasible. the jacinto with missiles would then be cre-lassificed as missile corvette or as a Fast Attack Craft Missile(FACM)
the crane and RHIB is associated more with anti-smuggling, anti illegal fishing patrols which is what they were used for while in hongkong service.

Anyone here have any idea how much it would cost to have a new Jacinto class ship built from the keel up?

Adroth, the provided link is the closest info I found to answer your question.

http://homepage.eircom.net/~navalassociation/navy1939.htm

The info is found in the last paragraph regarding the two Peacocks the Irish Navy acquired from the RN and it states the following:


Further additions to the Irish Navy

Two Peacock Class Vessels, (which cost £10 million to build in the 80s)were purchased from Britain in 1988. They are purpose built warships with 76mm Oto Melara Guns plus 4 single 7.62 machine guns and two 12.7mm heavy machine guns. The Peacocks renamed LE Orla (P41) and LE Ciara(P42) are capable of speeds in excess of 30 knots.

If I'm reading this correctly each Peacock back in the 80's cost 5 million GBP. So convert that to the present currency exchange rate would give you at least a rough estimate for its cost today.

But then again, that was built over there and not here. So since the PN has the rights for the designs, this could probably make it cheaper for us. Enlighten me please if I am wrong.

PS35 Emilio Jacinto has completed the first phase of its modernization and has succesfully taken part in the latest Carat Exercises. It now carries a new gun and fire control system.

Details here:

http://www.hueybravo.net/NavyPages/jacintophotos.htm

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I just hope our leaders does see this. With PS35 and RPS74 compared to those U.S. ships. :armyredface: :headbang:

:agree: :headbang: I hate to say it, but it looks like our politicians will never learn unless it is they themselves who are serving onboard those vessels.

We do what we can with what we are given.

To be realistic about it - the PS35 is already a technological leap for the PN when you consider that it jumped a couple of generations in technology from its WW2 ships to the Jacinto class.

Check out the Rodney Davis (FFG60) - it is one of the last Perry class ships in the USN. It is in active reserve actually. It has already lost its forward missile launcher. The PS35, heck even the PS74 actually outguns the Rodney Davis.

Look Ma, no missiles!