Title: NBI Special Unit?
groundpounder - March 4, 2006 05:24 PM (GMT)
Since there is a thead about PNP SAF and SWAT, is there a special unit of the NBI, like their own swat team like the FBI Hostage Rescue Team.
sru99 - June 2, 2008 12:25 PM (GMT)
believe me sir sobrang well armed mga NBI buddies natin..may budget for ammos..gun..tactical gears..sarap maging NBI talaga....at civillian clothing pa..hay :headbang:
adrian_yamato - June 21, 2008 07:31 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (groundpounder @ Mar 5 2006, 01:24 AM) |
| Since there is a thead about PNP SAF and SWAT, is there a special unit of the NBI, like their own swat team like the FBI Hostage Rescue Team. |
I think it will patterned after the FBI-ATF.
flipzi - June 22, 2008 03:24 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sru99 @ Jun 2 2008, 08:25 PM) |
| believe me sir sobrang well armed mga NBI buddies natin..may budget for ammos..gun..tactical gears..sarap maging NBI talaga....at civillian clothing pa..hay :headbang: |
Dapat lng naman.
They should get their own choppers and APC as well.
There was a case wherein an NBI team was to serve a warrant against a PNP station comdr. The NBI failed to fulfill its mission since the officer's men prevented the NBI team from entering the station at "nagkatutukan na lang".
In the end, yung pulis officer nagsabi na sa CRAME n lng daw siya susuko. Seemed like diniktahan yung NBI ng abusadong pulis.
Kung ako lang yung Mayor nuon. Palulusob ko RSAU. Di pupwede magmatigas sa batas. Kung may kaso ay harapin mo. Di pupuwede na yumuko pa sa yo ang batas.
Problem was outgunned yung NBI.
Kaya with the APC and the choppers, the NBI may finally get more strength to serve its duty upon anyone who violates the law.
Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP - June 22, 2008 12:58 PM (GMT)
Seems that there was a lapse of protocol on the serving of the Warrant of Arrest.
The NBI should have coordinated with the PNP hierarchy in Camp Crame before attempting to serve the Warrant in the same manner as these two outfits coordinated with each other in other normal cases of operation.
During my time there was an existing Memorandum of agreement between the two law enforcement agencies outlining guidelines to be strictly followed when investigating or serving arrest warrants involving elements of both organizations to prevent hostilities and confrontation.
flipzi - June 23, 2008 09:19 AM (GMT)
Could you tell us more about this MOA, Sir TOPP?
Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP - June 23, 2008 10:46 AM (GMT)
I could no longer recall the full text of that mutual agreement between the two agencies. However, the purpose is to observe proper coordination so that overlapping of task and function can be avoided.
Ex. The PNP cannot just barge or storm into any office of the NBI to serve a Warrant of Arrest to any of it's members without official coordination with the Chief or head of the administrative Division and vice-versa.
As I mentioned, the prime purpose is to avoid any untoward hostilities and confrontation.
Depending on the aftermath of the protocol, the subject of the WA will be surrendered or brought before the the court by his superior officer or by the arresting officer depending on what is mutually agreed.
jedi knight - June 24, 2008 06:44 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (flipzi @ Jun 22 2008, 11:24 AM) |
Dapat lng naman.
They should get their own choppers and APC as well.
There was a case wherein an NBI team was to serve a warrant against a PNP station comdr. The NBI failed to fulfill its mission since the officer's men prevented the NBI team from entering the station at "nagkatutukan na lang".
In the end, yung pulis officer nagsabi na sa CRAME n lng daw siya susuko. Seemed like diniktahan yung NBI ng abusadong pulis.
Kung ako lang yung Mayor nuon. Palulusob ko RSAU. Di pupwede magmatigas sa batas. Kung may kaso ay harapin mo. Di pupuwede na yumuko pa sa yo ang batas.
Problem was outgunned yung NBI.
Kaya with the APC and the choppers, the NBI may finally get more strength to serve its duty upon anyone who violates the law. |
huh?
we must understand the function of the NBI, investigate, prosecute and convict. the heavy weapons are there just in case. I don't see the point of giving them APCs and Choppers, they are not a mechanized infantry unit.
flipzi - June 24, 2008 09:46 AM (GMT)
Sir TOPP,
Thanks for the clarification.
Jedi Knight,
that's if in case the PNP officer disobeys the rule of law even if there's been the required PNP-NBI coordination.
the APC and choppers (not attack choppers but simply police choppers) will also be used when arresting teros and big-time syndicates like the well armed KFR and bank robbers.
Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP - June 24, 2008 10:34 AM (GMT)
The reason why the NBI has no gears like the choppers, APC, and other military style assets or gadgets is because they are the elite civilian law enforcers in the field of investigation & prosecution of high profile cases and they are not the front-line law enforcers who are dealing with all types of criminalities in a day-to-day basis like the role of the PNP.
However, the NBI can at anytime request for back-up from the police and the military depending on the urgency of their operation, and there are also instances where there is a joint NBI & Police operation depending on the requirements of the mission.
flipzi - June 25, 2008 09:16 AM (GMT)
This is not enough.
What if a high-ranking PNP official is involved in the case like?
I suggest giving the NBI more teeth in "keeping the police force reminded that noone is above the law".
As for the other cases involving lower-ranking cops, the NAPOLCOM should be given more teeth and operational capability in investigating and arresting erring cops.
Safety nets should be put in place to prevent whitewash or cover-ups when handling cases involving fellow cops or ka-mistah. Probably, a monitoring body or representative from the public or civilians or the DOJ or the Congress or the Ofc of the President.
Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP - June 25, 2008 10:14 AM (GMT)
In every nook of the government service there are always bad apples. In the law enforcement area where these bad apples dominate its prevalence and even in our justice system.
If politicians kept their hands off in appointing people to lead the organization like the PNP or any other law enforcement agency, and placement be done by merits, abuse of power is scarce and the rule of law can be upheld wherein the NAPOLCOM can exercise their existing powers to look after and institute actions easily when required.
The NAPOLCOM is the very agency tasked to monitor and investigate erring cops. Their office is even overcrowded with rules, regulations and guidelines governing the police organization that if implemented and applied to the letter, makes a cop an angel. But why is this impossible ? The answer is: because the bad apples starts at the higher echelon of the organization where cover-up, protectionism, political indulgence, and corruption spoiled it all.
In hindsight, nobody is above the law, and even the most of the lowly cop knows it and it's quite sheepish to remind them of this all the time. What should they be reminded always is that they have a duty to do to protect the citizenry and keep their lives unsullied as an example to all.
flipzi - June 26, 2008 08:57 AM (GMT)
Well,... we can settle to what your hindsight tells us. There are cops and even police chiefs who were dismissed already.
There'll be few who will still enjoy the cloak of protection from their masters in the top seats of governance.
But justice will catch up with them eventually. Time is changing. Justice may grind slowly but it will eventually catch up with them.
More than that, the public is taking a more active role in ENSURING that erring law enforcers will get the punishment they deserve.
This message should not be taken negatively but as guarantee that when cops do good, it will surely be rewarded and that the rewards, promotions and posts will fall upon those who are really deserving .... and not those who are corrupt and inutile.
spearhead - July 2, 2008 01:48 PM (GMT)
Sh---t kala ko makakakita ako ng NBI counter-terrrrist unit photos dito, yung pala pinaguusapan nyo lang! Boriiiinggg! :armyLol:
kingkong - May 1, 2009 06:08 AM (GMT)
:snipemo:
Is the NBI not special enuf?
The NBI is supposed to be handling investigation,
prosecution,anti-terrorist/anti-organized crime
operations.
Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP - May 5, 2009 11:02 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (kingkong @ May 1 2009, 02:08 PM) |
:snipemo: Is the NBI not special enuf? The NBI is supposed to be handling investigation, prosecution,anti-terrorist/anti-organized crime operations. |
If you are still a baby for knowing what the NBI is all about, refrain from setting foot on this topic.
epigone - May 23, 2009 09:14 PM (GMT)
It's much frightening if Chinese intelligence has its trained agents in NBI. They can easily convolute ongoing operations against some of their (Chinese) moles in the government. What is frightening is when they kidnap the PNP or NICA (in charge of foreign intelligence), sedate him, dump him in a ship container and bring him to China to undergo torture and interrogation. We have documented cases of Chinese spies in CIA. Larry Wu is one. We also have documented cases of kidnapping like Buckley although Arab dissidents were the ones who kidnapped and tortured him.