if the philippine marines and philippine army want an armored vehicle that
they can both use, with commonality of parts, its tracked, its fully
amphibious and can have added armor , and cheap, then we should look at the
fully amphibious tracked M-113 by Italy. It is most likely cheaper than the
LVTP7, and yet has commonality of parts with the M-113 of the Philippine
Army. here is the spec of the ocean-capable M-113 by Aris Spa of Italy.
heres the specs:

http://www.arisspa.it/inglese/arisgator.htm

http://www.arisspa.it/inglese/pdf/ARISGINGL.pdf

http://www.arisspa.it/inglese/ark.htm

whats nice here is that the U.S. has offered the AFP about 49 surplus M-113s. I don't know yet if the AFP has taken up the offer. About half or two thirds or ,say about 36 of this can be converted to the full-amphibious version and given to the Philippine Marines.

whats nice here is that the U.S. has offered the AFP about 49 surplus M-113s. I don't know yet if the AFP has taken up the offer. About half or two thirds or ,say about 36 of this can be converted to the full-amphibious version and given to the Philippine Marines.

I totally agree - I have always thought that the amphibious Italian M113 was a good option to the Phil Marines who need a tracked vehicle :thumb:

As per the same post in the General Military section I agree with this idea of purchasing the Italian Amphibious M113 APC. It is logical to procure equipment we already have experience with and common between 2 arms of the military for cost purposes :armygrin:

Please do not double post and read previous threads:

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2154&st=15
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=26&st=90

this amphibious M113 is one good alternative to the AAVP7 and the BMP-3. however, the amphibious modification of the M113 should only be used by the Marines while the Army will stick with the original M113 configuration (only that the M113 is upgraded into M113A3 standard). :armywink:

i totally agree sir sultanlapulapu!!! :agree: this is what i'm advocating for (if you read my other post regarding commonality of parts, from aircraft/helicopters to vehicles and handheld weapons...) because it will be VERY ECONOMICAL and HAVE VERY MINIMAL INVENTORY OF PARTS. the gov't and the AFP shoudl really consider this... I SALUTE YOU SIR! :salute:

sir israeli your right that only the marines should use the amphib version of the M113, while the army should use the M113A2 or A3 version. we can convert all our existing M113s to these versions + the 49 units being offerred to us and converting 28 units for the amphib version for the marines.

if you look at the pdf file below towards the bottom, you will see the drawing of the additional parts they will bolt on to make it amphibious. This can already give the AFP or MAPUA research how to do it locally in the philippines. sinabi sa ARIS website na patented daw ito pero kung patented lang sa Italy ito ay puede siguro natin gayahin sa pilipinas and we save more money pa:

http://www.arisspa.it/inglese/pdf/ARISGINGL.pdf

i salute you sir sultanlapulapu!!! :ssalute: this will defenitely save us money! very cost-saving measure! we have the equipment, we only need the additional parts and attachment to make our M113s up-to-date and flexible pa...

... i didn't know that MY ALMA MATTER is also or can also participate in this project, VIVA MAPUA!!! :thumb:

we can have some technical trainig with the italians and can manufacture these additional parts for our M113s, parang co-produce with them, pwedeng-pwede yun... hope the gov't and AFP would really, really look into this...

... mga comrades in arms, can you forward this proposal to your channels with the AFP and/or Senate?

to all,

any update on this thread? mukang nakalimutan na etong topic e...

i had a chance to operate the USMC LAV, very easy to operate, its practically driving a car, it has a steering wheel and automatic transmission. during the 2001 balikatan a USMC officer said that they were leaving them as is, meaning all the navigational instruments(which is not much) and commo. sana nga iwan nila sa atin, they wanted to test our V300and they were happy on land but was not able to test it amphibiously kasi hindi binigyan ng clearance, baka daw lumubog.......hehehehe

what do you mean by leaving them as is?

they will leave some LAVs to us? :drunk:

All M113s are amphibious by design. I have personally ridden in one while it was out in the water. I personally did not like looking standing up in the rear hatch only to be looking out at the water which was at eye level. I got the feeling that a small wave would cause water to rush into the APC and cause it to sink.

But it looks like the additional parts added would make it a lot more "sea worthy".

:snipemo:

I think the M-113 can operate in water only at a certain depth and must hit the water at a given angle, otherwise, lulubog.

Please feel free to correct the info. :thumb:

i think sir you're talking about the standard M113s, but i think this new italian-designed amphibious version is sea-worthy (much like the AAv-7), at least i think it is now being used by the italian marines...

... but still let's see some results if it is almost equal with the AAv-7 in sea-worthiness, nontheless i still support this vehicle for our marines rather than the expensive AAV-7 (remember the commonality in vehicle use as well as in parts and training).

what ever happened to this topic? has the AFP did give a glance on this vehicle? comrades from the AFP (members of pdff), have you ever suggested this vehicle to the AFP?

thank you sir! I appreciate the information :thumb:

you're welcome sir jedi knight....

... again my comrade-in-arms from the AFP that are members of this forum (pdff), have you ever suggested this to the AFP? especially those who are saying that they have rode/ride the M113s and/or other marine vehicles both (US and Phil vehicles)... oh come on, this is a great opportunityfor our marines! why not back-up this project/vehicle up to the AFP/gov't? are we going to be silent on this? are we not going to take some action here? please do comment and/or action...

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This Arisgator ROCKS!

We should really support this upgrade...

Let's tell it to the Marines!

The Arisgator





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peace out!

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Do you resurrect this many dead threads much?

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If it's worth it, then why not?

After all it's not closed. :devilwink:

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hi gigumaku, is the arisgator a M113 modification or a unique design?

any more details?

It is an M-113 modification bro, as far as I know.

As you can see sa pics, parang ngang dinikit lang sa M-113 yun upgrade kit ng Arisgator.

As of now nga, I am still digging for more info about this mod... I just found out about it recently kasi.

Kindly check out this link for more info --- enjoy!

The Arisgator link - click here

If you find something new, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, thank you...

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Guys, try using the Search site and Find button below. Some topics have been discussed before.

I'm still for AAV-P7, it was built for Marines :salute: :patrioticpinoy:

Does the AFP have the moolah for all these equipment?...If it does then how certain are we that the money allocated will REALLY and ACTUALLY be spent to purchase these equipment?...Or will the cash all go to -- again -- some government official's being-constructed-house-in ayala alabang...or to a senator's son or daughter schooling in england...or to a congressman's second or third "wife" for her shopping sprees in bangkok and her thrice a week facials? :banana:

wb maldita!

HI MS. MALDITA... LONG TIME NO PDFF HEAR/SEE... HOW ARE YOU?

oh, welcome back!

Maganda nga yang upgrade na yan for the M113. Problem nga lang itong mga lousy officials natin na masyadong corrupt. Sure wish they all sank with that Sulpicio ship rather than the innocents.

CORRECT!

Alam yun i think this should be a lesson never Vote for those Officials again

I AGREE WITH YOU COMRADE ZERO WING

depende kung malaki naman ang bigay nila sa votebuying sayang din yun mahal na bigas ngayon

This is a great idea for our M113s! :thumb:

its really a great idea because when it comes to parts and training common for both army (standard M113 APC) and marines (this Arisgator), VERY BIG SAVINGS!

i believe that the SAN MARINO BRIGADE (italian marines) is presently using this type...

how about the armor of that M113 mod? How tough is it?

That's nice!, I was imagining the old M-113 :headbang:

maganda sana , but, we must better adopt & used the AAV-P7s, the PMC already wanted this one.

I think the Philippine Marine Corps already retire it's small quantity of M113

the philippine marines did not use the M-113, only the philippine army. the only amphibious APC used by the marines are the the old vietnam-era LVTP-types...

please check your source(s)...