guys, who are the non-PMAyer officers that are commanders of major service units from brigade above? none?

I know some but they are not brigade COs yet. :armysmile:

Non-PMA commanders:


Lt. Gen. Alberto Braganza, chief of the AFP National Capital Region Command (alumnus, University of Sto Tomas ROTC)

Lt. Gen. Alfonso Dagudag, chief of the AFP Southern Luzon Command (alumnus, Silliman University ROTC)

Lt. Gen. Pedro Cabuay, commanding general of the Army’s 2nd Infantry Division.

Sources:
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2004/a...040802top7.html

http://www.inq7.net/opi/2003/nov/16/opi_rjfarolan-1.htm

http://www.su.edu.ph/netnews/v8n6.html

In the Air Force:

Major Gen Ramon Ragasa, Tactical Operations Command, Philippine Air Force

Brig. Gen Manuel Natividad, 580th Aircraft Control and Warning Wing

Brig. Gen. Fernando Doria, 520th Air Base Wing

Maj Gen Dindo Dimapilis, AETC

so it is not true that only PMA graduates can hold high ranking positions in the army :thumb:

Ja! Everybody is equal but some of us are more equal than others. :armycheers:

natural lang yan eh outnumbered ang rotc officers sa mga pmayers
kanya kianyang push up ang mga yan

Another one

Maj. Gen. Edwin Vargas, deputy chief of staff for civil-military operations (FEU-ROTC)

http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2004/04/15/MTNN200404157222.html

On the average, PMA produces about 85 officers for the army annually. Other sources (ROTC, OCS) produce the balance which is about 88 in 2002.

That makes it almost 50/50.

:exactly:

The National ROTC Alumni Association (NRAA) claims that ROTC graduates comprise 70% of the AFP officer corps

The Philippine Army Modernization and Strategic Studies Office reported that the bulk of officers that join the officer corps normally came from ROTC. However since 1995, only 30% of new officers were products of ROTC; the majority came from the Philippine Military Academy.

That would be about it. How many officers does PMA produce a year anyway? About 200? During our time, less than 200 lang.

pero mas madami pa din ang products ng NOQC, OCS, OCC, PAFOCS than what PMA produce.. :agree:

observation ko lang sa mga non ayer officers lalo na yung mga junior, e most of them are low key and less showy than the ayer officers tsaka more soft spoken at perceptive sa opinyon ng mga tao nila...

well juz my own thoughts...wag masamain

well, you've never met them all.. :specool:

Well there are some that are aloof or arrogant seeming especially in the special ops units where a certain degree of gunghoism or type A drive is a requirement... :demon:

Does anyone here have retired Adm Victorino Hingco's details? (e.g., school, etc.). I'd like to prepare his former unit's "prominent alumni" page as I've done for the following:

De La Salle University
Far Eastern University
Silliman University
University of Santo Tomas
University of the Philippines

Can you verify if Admiral Hingco is a product of the Iloilo Maritime Academy. I heard this at the Navy Golf Club today.

Thanks for the tip :thumb:

Arroyo promotes eight Air Force officers

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?...IONAL&oid=67727

new Major Gens . . . Segundo F. Dimapilis.

Dimapilis is the current Chief of Air Education and Training Command. A psyops specialist, he hails from Tanauan, Batangas, and, is a member of PAFFS Class ’73.

too many officers too few planes

James Dimal and Nanding Manalo also.

Introducing the ADROTH Project - StarTracker

Stat summary: www.adroth.ph

This is an online study of the composition of generals and admirals in the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

GOOD JOB MAN!
:thumb:

we should remove the PMA-First Policy. This is a direct contradiction to the military virtue of integrity. Look at the United States Armed Forces. Most of their top brass are ROTC graduates. Many officers were once enlisted personnel. Are we a democracy or not? To hell with elitism! :snipemo:

It would help your cause if you could substantiate your opinions with a little fact or even just a little bit of logic. Many of us in this forum have been trying to bridge this PMA-ROTC chasm for months now. Then here you come, a noob, with more than 100 postings in just a week, obviously you have not bothered reading the earlier parts of the thread and related postings.

This is not a pissing contest between PMA and non-PMA.

Let's hear some argument behind your claim on the so called PMA-First Policy. There might be some sense after all.

Non USMA graduates have a slim majority. The fact that Colin Powell's ascent to Chairman of the JCS was considered big news indicates that its still not that common for ROTC graduates to go that far.

I extended my commissionship research to non-Philippine fora, and I got the following data from an Active Duty warrant officer on Military.com. He grabbed the following information from the General Officer Management home page.

Generals (4 star):

ROTC: 6
USMA: 2
OCS: 3

LT Generals (3 star):

ROTC: 18
USMA: 16
OCS: 8
DA: 1

Come up with facts to back up your claim. You side stepped the challenge in your thread, so I'm reposting it here.

Sir Adroth:

Regarding prominent UP ROTC alumni, you forgot to add ex-Defense Secretary Macario Peralta who served during the term of GMA's dad, the late and former President Diosdado Macapagal.


Dubbed by UP students of his time as the "Chocolate Soldier", but had appended to his nickname, "who is now a real soldier" when commissioned, he was among the "greats of the guerrilla resistance movement" during World War 2.

He was BTW also a bar topnotcher. So, who says ROTC products are inferior to PMAyers?

I request that his name be added to the roster you have created.

Mabuhay ka.

Thanks for heads up Marven.

:specool:

No answer to the challenge eh?

What do you mean? :dunno:

Go to the previous page in this thread, then scroll to the middle.

You talked about removing a "PMA-First Policy" and "to hell with elitism."

Well, I must admit that that was too much for me to say. Well, I'm just a beginner here, so I am just learning the ropes from you guys. Please give me some time to adjust. :bow:

Among the smartest things you ever posted in the forum! Keep it up.

I just hope you're not mocking me.

Am not. In all sincerity. :thumb:

:agree:

Alright then. :btt:

We cannot bring it back on track anymore because the momentum has been totally lost. This thread is FUBAR. I join others in suggesting you think before you reply. That should cure the constipation in your brain.