Requirements?

- All weather.

- Night-flying capable.

- Better range.

- Safer in all wind and weather conditions.

- Reliable and fast


HH-60J JAYHAWK™ Helicopter


http://www.sikorsky.com/details/0,9602,CLI..._ETI812,00.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys...raft/hh-60j.htm

..... I believe this platform suits well our requirements.

We need those badly. But it we don't have the budget, we could do with those German surplus MBB-105 for the time being. Maybe 1 each for the 10 Coast Guard Districts + 4 as dedicated helicopters for those SAR vessels we have while waiting for those new and sophisticated ones.

For our PCG officials, simply asks:

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=3283

BTW, can our SAR ships accommodate those other types?

Getting the surplas German BO105s is not a bad idea if these are priced much lower than the Jayhawks.

For ship-based choppers, the BO105 is a good pick indeed. Even our current SAR fleet carry this type of aircraft.

For land-based assets, the additional choppers that we will be getting from the US should be considered.

It should be upgraded with the modern navigational suite to make it reliable in all scenarios. Disasters and natural calamities are also a major concern now considering the frequency of calamities and disasters that struck our country. Plus the fact that we an archipelagic country and that many of our countrymen depend on maritime commerce and fishing.

Nonetheless, the safety or our people relying on maritime commerce and fishing should always get the highest consideration in making our decisions.

The Jayhawks will surely make the Coast Guard more effective in fulfilling it's duties.

Since, the CG is not under the AFP umbrella, i believe it will have the opportunity to get better choppers.

They are giving it for free to friendly nations. Maybe cost for shipping will be our only problem. Maybe add some of those UH-1Ds too. Those will be good enough to do the job while waiting for those new ones you are suggesting.

Free? Hmmm.. that's great! We aint sure though how long these choppers will last or how SAFE these are.

By the way, some of the new night-flying capable Hueys that we got recently should be given to the Coast Guard or the Air Force's 505th Search and Rescue Group.

These will surely improve the capability of that unit. I suggest the AFP consider this idea in implementing the modernization plan.

Also, i wish that they look into the possibility of buying Jayhawks for our 505th Searh and Rescue Group.

Saver, just for the matter of finding out which chopper they should choose, and assuming that money is not the problem, what are your choices?

I'll go for the Jayhawks too. It's tested and and presently had this for its record

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Rotary/SAR/HE9.htm

Comrade flipzi, you forget also in your requirements the actual capacity weight of the Helicopter considering the current tonnage PCG fleet of Tenix Boats.

If the PCG is currently utilizing the unit of BO 105 helicopters. This will be my suggestion and favorite candidate if we want to augment the current fleet of helicopters.


The MH-90 Enforcer in service with the US Coast Guard is armed with an M240 7.62mm gun.


MH-90 Enforcer

Specification
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 6,250 lbs
Empty Weight: 3,260 lbs
Overall Length: 32 ft
Rotor Diameter: 34 ft
Maximum Height: 12 ft
Power Plant: Two Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206E engines
Five-blade composite main rotor
Max Fuel Capacity: 216 gallons
Maximum Speed: 160 knots
Operating Range: 315 nm standard
Crew: 3+ (Pilot, Co-Pilot, Air Crewman/Gunner, +?)

As noted earlier, a modified version of the MD-900 is currently in service with the U.S. Coast Guard under the designation MH-90 Enforcer. Their NOTARs' lower noise signature has also proven very useful in naval operations like "Operation New Frontier," which employs armed MH-90 helicopters and high-speed smallboats to track and stop small, high-speed smuggling vessels known as "go-fasts." The helicopters use their stealth and speed to advantage, and can deploy state-of-the-art, non-lethal weapons like sting grenades and nets to stop these fleeing vessels; the latest deployments also include enhanced capabilities for night-time operations.

MD 900 Explorer NOTAR

MD 900

Although HH- 60J JayHawk are good Helicopter unit but i think we can easily train our units if we will go for this MH-90 Enforcer (we already have the technical knowledge of this unit since we operate the sister model of MD-900 which is the MD-500 series in our Air Force). Plus the current tonage of Tenix vessel im doubtful if the 56 m SAR Vessel can handle the HH-60J JayHawk to land on its deck. We have small vessel to handle a light weight helicopter only and take note JJ- Hawk are mostly stationed in High Endurance Vessel of the US Coast Guard but for Medium Endurance Cutters they used the MH-90 or MH-68 (Agusta 109E) as their main or stationed chopper. That is why a MH-90 is my choice .

:agree: jammer!
The Tenix ships and the other ships that the PCG may acquire later on may only carry the much smaller ENFORCER.

But for land-based choppers, i still prefer the Jayhawks because it can carry more passengers and it perform much better in all weather conditions than any other platform.

With our climate and weather conditions, we need a reliable chopper that can do its job no matter how the weather gets worse.

So, with this we are picking two platforms for our requirements.

For ship-based choppers, the ENFORCER has it.

For land-based choppers, the JAYHAWK takes the post.

if you watch the news today, you'll see the elusive psc bo105 in action sporting an onboard winch.

Bo105..nice what a well maintain 'old' whirly bird can still do..
Bo105 demo

Since we are in the subject of air assets of the PCG, in my opinion, the PCG should be the primary unit tasked for SAR operations instead of the PAF. The PAF should instead focus on more combat-related roles and transfer its SAR capabilities to the PCG. That way, each unit would be focused on doing their primary job, and not be spread thin with various missions.

Since our country is frequently bothered by sea rescues especially during typhoons and sea tragedies, i believe our CG rescue helicopters needs to be equipped enough as well.

Are our CG helos equipped for night flying as well?

Check this;



http://www.flir.com/imaging//airborne/appl...handrescue.aspx

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Nav...7259936036.html

The European "Dauphin" that the Chinese are now producing should be considered for the Coast Guard instead. :thumb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIPpRaXt4SI...related&search=

If indeed we are already closed with the deal and the PAF finds it not suitable for its purpose we could divert the use of it to the PCG. Its night capabilities is one of those needed by the PCG. This way the gov't saves face and the limited numbers (6) will still be put into good use and not as extensive as that of the PAF Gunship requirements.





It seems to be just right for our 4 SAR vessels with the 2 remaining on reserve. :thumb:

good choice sir

The Coast Guard is awaiting delivery of 5 helicopters from Poland :

rest of story

Good news! :armycheers:

I wonder which model?


PZL SWIDNIK W-3

or the newer one



PZL Sokol Anaconda Ser.0815 Search and Rescue helicopter

Btw, I remember Germany was offering some of their MBB-105s to the PCG. Getting more of those would also helped and can be dedicated helicopters for our SAR vessels considering their weight. New heavier SAR helicopters can be based on coastal stations.

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2205

This is indeed good news.

The typhoon season is here and the country needs all the SAR helicopters it can deploy.

BTW, what are the details of the acquisition?

If loan or through barter agreement with the Polish government, then the same could be applied to any future AFP procurement of military equipment from Poland.

If only the PCG has long-range, all-weather rescue helicopters - these poor men would have not become shark food :

full story

It's so easy to point the blame on others. Remember, shipowners and seafarers themselves have their own responsibilities. Based on the International Maritime Organization (IMO) STCW'95 and ISM Codes of which we are a signatory, ships should have the proper safety and life-saving equipments onboard. These are the likes of life-jackets, lifeboats (enclosed, free-fallings, etc) as well as manual and automatic inflatable life-rafts, normally enclosed with food, water and medical supplies. Where they equipped with EPIRBs and SARTs that rescue units could pinpoint their location.

As to seafarers, where they able to deploy those life-boats and liferafts that could have save their lives. As for the Officers onboard, where they able to assess the situation as critical, that they should have mustered and raised the alarms.?Where they able to send distress calls and gave their location, activated their EPIRBs and SARTs and brought along radios and signal equipment such as Flares, rocket and smoke grenades?

Too many things that should have been done but for a seasoned seafarer they know its part of their job. DO they have the required Basic Safety Course trainings and conducts periodic drills onboard? You know as they say, constant practice makes perfect. All those skills will be part of their instinct. On a Situation critical like that, the instinct to survive.

still, PCG, should consider acquiring long range Choppers like HH-60

whats the update on the coast guard helicopters from Poland?

di na rin natuloy?

The German BO105 is not a good chopper for SAR. It's too small to give room for recuers/divers and several rescued persons.

It's time we get the Coast Guard rescue teams the APPROPRIATE SAR CHOPPER.

I suggest we get the Jayhawk or the Chinese-made European Daughpin, the Z9.



The PZL Sokol Anaconda Ser.0815 Search and Rescue helicopter looks interesting, by the way. We should check it out as well.



Whoever can get us the best deal then that is it.

I'm with you Flipzi, But, i consider HH-60 Jayhawks,it has a bigger space than the Dauphin,

BTW, is there a SAR version of NH-90? :dunno:

whatever chopper they buy, it has to be light enough to be able land on the 56 meter ships of PCG .

the helipad of the 56 meter ships of the PCG have a weight limit(forgot the exact tonnes) that limits the helipad to light helicopters.

however if the PCG bidding specs does not care if the helicopter can land or not on the 56 meter ship then medium or heavy choppers will be ok, but then, I cannot imagine why the PCG would leave out of the bidding spec "that the helicopter should be able to land on the 56 meter ships" as it would make a lot more sense...

PCG :banana:

The Philippine Coast Guard Auxiliary (PCGA) is a voluntary uniformed non-government organization, formed with a military structure and attached to the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) under the Department of Transportation and Communication.

Philippine Coast Guard
PCG :headbang:

...safer ships and cleaner seas
The Coast Guard today, as a seagoing agency, is faced with the enormous task to perform the multifarious functions of safeguarding the country’s vital sea-lanes from maritime lawlessness, preserving its marine resources and promoting Safety of Life and Property at Sea with its limited resources.

In the accomplishment of this mission, the PCG performs various activities categorized under the five

I'm with you Jammerjamesky! MD-900 Is perfect for our Philippine Coast Guard needs.. :specool:

Coast Guard's request for new choppers has Marina's support
PhilStar September 26, 2009

MANILA, Philippines - The Coast Guard will acquire seven helicopters for search and rescue operations after getting approval from the National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA), the Maritime Industry Authority said yesterday.

Marina administrator Ma. Elena Bautista said she hopes NEDA would approve the purchase of the helicopters before the start of the typhoon season next year.

“I have always been very proud of the PCG and all support should be given to the PCG. If they had more boats then it would be easier for them to respond to sea incidents,” she said.

Coast Guard commandant Admiral Wilfredo Tamayo said the government needs to beef up their search and rescue capability.

“The PCG should not take maritime incidents lightly,” he said.

“The PCG should be a mission ready agency. We are happy with the support from all the sectors.”

“It is a fact that the Philippines is an archipelagic country with 36,000 kilometers of coastline and 5,000 coastal barangays, yet the PCG only has a manpower of 6,000, a far cry from their target of 25,000 personnel, and only has 55 coastal stations.”

Tamayo said a Coast Guard vessel must be assigned to each of the country’s 60 coastal provinces.

Right now, the Coast Guard has 10 vessels and 10 other vessels jointly operated with the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources, he added.

Tamayo said the Coast Guard needs 40 more ships.

“Apart from the traditional challenges, the maritime sector is also facing non-traditional challenges such as terrorism, human smuggling, gun smuggling, illegal drugs and even climate change,” he said.

Among the recent maritime incidents are the sinking of the M/V SuperFerry 9 off the Zamboanga Peninsula last Sept. 6, M/V Princess of the Stars in Romblon on June 21, 2008, and the M/V Commando 6 off Puerto Galera four months ago. – Evelyn Macairan

Typhoon season starts June next year and the election ban on government purchases will start probably in March so the PCG has 6 months more or less to pull this off. Probable?

These choppers could most likely be the Polish SAR units mentioned earlier in the thread, "...PCG awaits delivery of 5 helicopters from Poland"

Typhoon Ondoy is more than enough reason that the PCG should acquire all-weather SAR helicopters!

Hi guys, I hope you are all allright there in the Philippines after that disaster hurricane last days hit your nation hard. I think the Philippines Government should not wait for another storm, buy get those choppers right away. From Poland, Italy, US.... don't matter where from.

I have always been wondering why the US did so less for the Philippines armed forces after their withdrawal from that country :armyredface:
However, any idea if there are tenders for the new helicopters for the PCG? Are those Polish W-3 helicopters ordered, or are they frontrunners in the competition???

Thanks all and take care,

PilotoRico

By the way, I haven't seen or heard about the PCG helicopters helping in rescue efforts during Typhoon Ondoy.

Have they been used?

I opine that the PCG pilots may not be trained for such roles under such conditions or their aircrafts equipped for such roles. Limited rin lang number of air assets nila so its possible na none can indeed be assigned to such help. This is indeed a factor that must be looked upon and addressed immediately.

I see. It's such a shame. They do not have the will to help.

Private citizens and even actors were seen helping out others. Take note, these people are not also trained. They do not even have the proper gear to help. However, they helped. It's the will that counts.

:armycry:

I hope that I was wrong in my earlier post that the PCG did not have the will to help.

I really hope I was wrong and I hope that they did something to rescue people.

Actually, I believe that the PCG had rescue trainings using their MBB BO-105 helicopters that are equipped for rescue missions such as this ---



I hope that they have used this training during the past typhoon when they had chances, it may have rescued many people.

Peace out!

:salute:

The old helicopters displayed at Villamor then were more suited for such roles as the pilots sits above the passengers' area. Yun na lang sana ang ginawa at modified for the Hummingbird project.

Anyhow, I wonder too why walang mga helicopters nagamit sa Ondoy save for that Willie and Villar bit (or hindi ko lang siguro nasagap sa news kung mayroon man).

In GMA News, PCG helicopters were deployed at Pangasinan.

Now you're talking. That's the way it should be...

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I think here's the same news aired on its sister station QTV ---

QTV: Rescuers having hard time reaching victims in Pangasinan
10/09/2009 | 10:09 PM

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/49047/qtv-resc...s-in-pangasinan

It's nice to see something like this today.

PCG MBB BO-105s performing rescue missions from 00:39 onwards.

Kudos to those brave PCG pilots and rescuers in Pangasinan!

:urock: