The philippines is an island nation and we dont need a hard armored force but we need a tank that can be compatible with the philippine terain right so what do u think is the best tank that should be in the army?

Better versions of the Hari-Digma and Kalakian and upgraded M-112s.
Maybe also some Wiesels...

The archipelagic nature of the Philippines means it needs amphibious, armored vehicles more than mere tanks- BOTH the Army and the Marine Corps must have amphibious AFVs. The LVTs used by the Marines are too old, but an hand-me-down AAVs from the USMC could be a good interim stopgap. though it doesn't look like the US will ever sell us their more advanced AAAV.

On a side note, perhaps more of the other amphibious AFVs currently used by the PMC would do the Army wonders. Especially those LAV-300 support vehicles.

Maybe a tank that can do both (amphibian and MBT busting capability)

How about the M2 and M3 Bradley Infantry/Cavalry Fighting Vehicles? I think they are well suited in terrains similar to ours, not sure though if they can "swim"

The United States DOES NOT export the Bradley Fighting Vehicle to any of its allies. This is interesting considering that it has exported the more dangerous M1 Abrams tank to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Australia.

You better look for a different vehicle, my young Jedi Padewan...

if the philippines government are willing to buy, i'm sure the US will sell.....it doesnt make sense if countries like singapore and malaysia who is not a pro US government are able to have F16's and FA18's....while philippines who happen to be a US non Nato allies.....

sayang! thanks for the information that these vehicles are not being exported :thumb:

Best choice would be the CV90 family of light tracked combat vehicles

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/cv90/

For armor fans, this Defense Industry Daily report on the experience of American armor in Iraq is required reading. Tons of links to numerous myth-shattering articles.

Also from the same source, more on the exploits of the PA's own legendary V-150 on the frontlines, in its new guise as the ASV. As well as the current trend in light armor: blast-protected vehicles.

QUESTION: can the 105mm gun of the LVTH6s can be mated / fitted to the scorpion light tank? could this improve the capability of the scorpion tank as a tank killer and/or assault tank?

Pwede siguro kung pareho sila ng turret diameter and turret gear ratio. Problem is like most US and EU tanks, all turret rotations are torqued to a gear milled into the hull of the tank. Scandinivians na solve ang problem na ito, they slotted the turret mount and gears are mounted in the turret, mas complex nga lang ang design.

Let say T-72 and BTR in russia, Merkava tank in israel, challenger in britain, I don't like american TANK it can be destroy by an simple RPG.

If your tight budget try some TOW, Javelin, SAGGER. Anti- Tank missiles. :patrioticpinoy:

I admire the British "Challenger" only for its proven combat record so far. But considering the limitations of our roads and bridges.... what about checking out our neighbor's success who already have tanks in their inventory? I am sure we can learn a thing or two from them.

Leopard 2

Wheeled Tank suits our Terrain like this

CENTAURO


AMX-10


VEXTRA


PANDUR


ROOIKAT


PEACE.

If Philippine Army will really go for HeavyWeight or MAIN BATTLE TANK, CONSIDERING NO LIMITATION ON pRICE

THE BEST CHOICE AMONG CURRENT TANK IN CIRCULATION WORLDWIDE IS

LEOPARD 2



PEACE TO ALL.

tol thats to much the rp doest need a main battle tank where not at war with other coutries we need a light tank with anti tank but not as hevy like a main battle tank :patrioticpinoy:

how about the M551 sheridan or t 27 hat do u think guys

yes we are not at war with other countries but having a MBT in our arsenal will boost our soldiers morale. besides we dont want to be invaded first then buy MBTs

Our neighbor buy sub, some tanks, and aircraft. Even in peace time procurement of weapon is still going on.

:patrioticpinoy:

like what ?? :patrioticpinoy:

what about south korean TANK!

K1/A1 Main Battle Tank, South Korea

and south africa TANKS

Olifant Mk 1B Main Battle Tank, South Africa

They are design in terrain like ours. except in KOREA

They have tried to export it, just that nobody else has decided to purchase. The Bradley participated in the Norwegian trials, but the Norwegians chose the CV-90 instead.

QUESTION AGAIN: if the scandanavians had done it, why not ask for assistance to them on how to mate our 105mm guns to the scorpion tank? or better yet, we might even make it simple once we master what the scandanavians did, can be?

i think a light tank with anti-tank capabilities is what we need here in the philippines, why? because we are an archpelago and also of terrain. we need a tank that can be transported by our C130 aircraft into a crisis zone within our territory in case it is needed immediately, that's why it must be lightweight; also it can mount a 105mm gun to have a stronger/harder punch than a 76mm or 90mm gun... question is, is it possible?...

...asking for more info pls...

QUESTION AGAIN: if the scandanavians had done it, why not ask for assistance to them on how to mate our 105mm guns to the scorpion tank? or better yet, we might even make it simple once we master what the scandanavians did, can be?

i think a light tank with anti-tank capabilities is what we need here in the philippines, why? because we are an archpelago and also of terrain. we need a tank that can be transported by our C130 aircraft into a crisis zone within our territory in case it is needed immediately, that's why it must be lightweight; also it can mount a 105mm gun to have a stronger/harder punch than a 76mm or 90mm gun... question is, is it possible?...

...asking for more info pls...

Specifically which Scandinavian country or army has mated a 105 mm howitzer onto a Scorpion CVR(T)s hull? Neither Denmark, Finland, Norway or Sweden operates any of the vehicles in the CVR(T) family.

hi page,
i think the original spirit of this thread is to just, for the sake of discussion 'what is the best tank'.
i agree with you ,thats more or less what we need (lighter armor mated with a larger gun).
or a 'self propelled howitzer' like paladin or more towed howitzer or/and more mortars.

ya its a good signges but kaya b yan ng gov ntin??

hopefully, COMRADE SUREHITTER COULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, for me sayang yung mga LVTH6s na may 105mm guns e they're rotting at some military depot, khit masalvage yung 105mm guns because what i know is that some parts like tank threads and parts of the armor of these hulks are being cannibalised for the other surviving LVTH6s, e there are 36+ units na LVTH6s that are being used as spare parts and/or are just rusting under the sun from that military depot, just a thought...

... well, anyway, for the sake of discussion, i think a wheeled vehicle with a 105mm gun is suitable here in the philippines, if not, i think the STINGRAY (a light tank also, i think) should replace our aging scorpion tanks...

Sori po mga kasama nalulong ako sa ibang thread di ko na malayan na kailangan pala tuunan ng pansin ang mga tanong na ito.

Sa aking palagay pupuwede na imount ang 105mm natin sa mga scorpions ngunit mayroon mga isyu na dapat pagdesisyunan.

ang masasalvage lamang sa 105mm howitzers na iretrofit sa scorpions ay ang tube, hindi magagamit ang pedestal at baka hindi rin magamit ang recoil dampers. Sa aking paguunawa, kaya nag retrofit ang scandinivian countries to 105mm ay para maging stop gap lamang bago dumating ang next generation na smooth bore Anti tank guns. Kaya gumawa sila ng bagong turret mount design at targeting optics para sa bagong config.

Sa aking palagay, pupuwede kung afp ay mag iinvest ng steel sandcasting moulds, large mass vertical turning/milling or i pasubcontract ang redesign. Ang manufaturer ng Scorpion ang best subcon candidate dito.

Pangalawa, magkakaissue ang power/weight perf, fuel capacity at operating range ng modified scorpion dahil mas mabigat ang bagong config. Baka kailanganing i upgrade and makina ng scorpion.

Isang option ay gamitin ang 105mm turret and gun ng LVTH at i mount sa scorpion, yun ang pinakamadali provided pwede ang config.

I don't think our Scorpions would be able to handle the LVTH's 105mm. Siguro a low velocity type pwede. Mas bagay rapid firing cannon para sa Scorpions natin tapos ang mga M113s ay upgraded to turreted twin 120mm auto-loading mortars na may ATGM. Mas ok yun kasi pwede rin direct fire weapon kung kinakailangan na. Minimal mod kaya minimal din gastos. Simbas and v-150s can also benefit from either a rapid firing cannon or the twin turreted mortar. Ang maganda sa mortar di kailangan ng masyadong hi-tech na production facilities unlike cannons kasi mas mataas na requirement para sa bakal pa lang magastos na.

With M-113s na turreted at may ATGM it could provide both anti-tank and anti-personnel support agad. Kung pwede sana mix na instead of twin mortars ay maging one rapid-firing cannon at isa mortar mas better.

I'd rather have those 105s fitted sa ilang patrol boats na lang. Serious firepower to support landing operations kahit walang major ships for the task. I think I saw such type of mod sa isang WW2 film pero lumubog rin agad yun PT boat before the gun (with tank turret) was used.

Aling bansang Scandinavian yung nakapag-lagay ng 105 mm howitzer sa hull ng CVR(T)?

I think its norway or denmark, pero i check ko ulit. Its a good question. Also, Ang tubo lang yata ang ni recycle nila. Kung di ako nagkakamali pati Israel sinubukan mag retro fit ng 105mm sa kanilang mga tangke. May panahon sa kanilang kasysayan na bumili sila ng sari saring war surplus sa europe ngunit lahat ng ito ay gawa sa iba ibang kalibre. Para masaiayos ang operational capability ng mga surplus sinubukan nilang i retro fit lahat ng 105mm barrel para sa 105mm ammo na lang umiikot and ground warfare supply issues nila. May nakita ako sa magasin na may letrato ng isang israeli sherman na retrofitted ng short barrel 105mm. Di ko lang alam kung nakakarinig pa ang dating crew ng tangke.

Sa magazine mo ba 'to nakita? Iniisip ko kasi baka private project 'to kasi never nag-operate ng Scorpion yung either Danish or Norwegian army. Tsaka gun ba o howitzer yung linagay? Laki pinag-kaiba non sa recoil e.

not M1 tanks it is not good

It eats a lot of Fuel and not even the MK4 of Israeli it is weak as shown by Hezbollah

the best are Lepoard 2 Challanger Le Clerc

Russian tanks are not good also

but T95 T99 T96 are there of China if you want to buy

But i dont know where you should fight with tanks in PH , but you can

PH need something like Light Anti tank veichle OR APC or LTV or T56 like china

Negative brod sa scorpion, di scorpion ang nakita ko, ibang chassis but it was retrofitted to 105mm. Point lang earlier is kung makakabit ba ang 105mm in direct fire to another chassis. Someone injected na baka pwede sa scorpion.

Sa pagka intindi ko, 105mm tube sa howitzer at direct fire config kaunti lang pagkakaiba bukod sa recoil guide rail at recoil arresting mechanism/dampers. Sa nakita ko sa Marine LVT 105mm turret version magkasize ang elevation pivot pin at pareho halos ang breeching mechanism sa howitzer pero magkaiba ng barrel cradle mas maikli ang nakakabit sa LVT. Tama ka rin magkaiba ang center of gravity ng howitzer at direct fire gun kaya magkaiba ang recoil character nila. Kaya mag susuffer ng tear and wear ang scorpion turret hardpoints kung hindi maidistribute ng maayos sa chassis ang recoil.

Yung lang po.

For our use and the terrain involved, I'd go with something that is easier to maintain like the LAV-25 or Stryker. The Bradley is a maintenance nightmare and was never designed for low-intensity conflict in a jungle environment. it was designed for the Cold War in massed armored engagements.

http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/stryker/index.html


They even have a version that mounts a cannon:

http://www.army.mil/features/stryker/default.htm

I agree, the LAV-25 is highly mobile and the 20mm chain gun can really do some damage.