The PMC is testing the Armbrust but its old technology and will soon be replaced by the MATADOR (Man-portable Anti-Tank, Anti-DOoR) Short Range Anti-Armor Weapon.

If we are to purchase new weapons for the Marines, then lets go for the really NEW, not the Armbrust that will soon be obsolete.

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The MATADOR, like the Armbrust is also Singapore-developed so It would not be difficult for the military to signify intent to try the MATADOR as well.

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Impressive specs.

The "anti-brickwall" capability is interesting - gives the walking Marine the punching power of the Cockerill.

The PMC Armbrust were passed on from stocks of the Presidential Security Group.

hah! we were jumpin happy over the high likelihood that the Armbrust will be operational with the PMC units onlt to be disappointed by this news of this newer, more capable Matador and whats with thie Armbrust just being handed over to the PMC by the PSG, according to thread in opus forum attributed to mblt6 with a pic of a marine carrying Armbrust the weapons are under evaluation for possible procurement and deplyment... :armyskeptic: and if its true that the Armbrusts are PSG handmedowns its kind of disappointing to think that the PSG is better armed than the PMC whicld also mean that the PSG have now new anti-armor weapons in lieu of the Armbrust they gave to the PMC.

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Its understandable for PSG to have weapons like the Armbrust - its task is to defend Malacañang Palace.

bakit kung kau ang marines kaya nyo ba sa babakan, yung totooong bakbakan hindi dito sa forum na astang heneral kayo e wala namang kaalam alam sa totoong pangyayari sa bundok

e kahit na armburst basta meron pa matador pa unrealistic naman

armburst ka dyan :armygrin: hoy askal buti pa sayo bumalik ka na lang sa foxhole mo

kind of skeptical at the video clips at the site particularly of that moving t72 ...looks like enhanced videos to me :armyeek:

You will be surprised about the quantity of PSG armor assets and the PA LADBE's armor assets is almost at par. Allegedly, Taiwan secretly supplied the PSG with stinger man portable anti aircraft missles to avoid another " hiding under the bed" incident of president Cory. Luis Beltran almost went to jail for exposing that topic (tatay ni Cito Beltran ng INSIDER). :nono:

Its the sad reality - PSG prepared to defend the Palace against any threat from within the AFP itself. :demon:

Ngek...akala ko pinaka latest na ang Armbrust for the Marines :armycry:

just be contented with the idea that we cannot have the latest :rifle:

why not? its a matter of will and conviction and transparency...

start small. say a single PMC bn, equip the men with top quality kit, train em doubly hard, and let em loose - well equipped, well trained men fight doubly hard too...

give em bits and pieces and they will fight in bits and pieces

tama lang yun na i fully equip yung PSG para depensahan ang Malakanyang... dami kasi sa AFP na makalabit lang ng mga politiko mag coup na agad... kung ako sa inyo ang atupagin nyo nalang na i-built the AFP's credibilities nyo hindi puro weapons ang pinag-uusapan nyo... makain nga wala... new weapons procurement pa... asa pa! dun kayo sa mga milyonaryong heneral humingi ng pambili nyo ng matador...

peace po tayo...

KJ mo naman pare, OA pa.

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cool thats a singa dude with the matador :thumb: we are in the process replacing our armbrust with matador

Did the PMC decide to acquire the Armbrust which it has been evaluating for quite some time already?

Did he just miss that target on the right? or he just want that safety crater/berm a bit larger so it would fit an M35?

I noticed that much of our AFP weapons are coming from Singapore. Nice to know that we're still good friends with them despite past incidents. Anyway, the AFP should also check out for evaluation that new French mortar. The one which could be shoulder fired and is accurate too. Much more useful than a single shot weapon in my opinion. I can't seem to find data of it though on the web for now. Its called Lacroix Samourai (I think they spell the Samurai bit the Frenchie way or maybe they have an equivalent of it meaning something else).

Bit OT. I recall the original Javelin was an anti-air weapon. Did they re-design it to make it an anti-tank weapon?

And if I were a coup plotter why not start another government somewhere else? The way our past revolutionist did (Aguinaldo and such). Concentrating those fine weapons to just protect someone disliked by many is a poor excuse. Enemies of the state could hostage the soldiers' families for one. The best anti-coup thing is to work for the benefit of the whole, right?

The Armbrust is certainly not obsolete, just less capable than the Matador.

It is capable of penetrating 300mm RHA, so it's depend on the threat itself, old 60s MBTs could be killed by this weapon, APC/IFV is certainly not able to survive against it unless with ERA or composite armour.

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At least the Marines have their shoulder fired anti-armor rockets now.

Though the Armbrust is unguided, I guess it's still effective against an armor's electronic countermeasures, like the Shtora Active Protection Suite that can disrupt guided anti-armor rockets.

More info about the Shtora - click the link below ---

Shtora @ Wikipedia

A photo of Shtora ---



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Also, I would still love to see the M-67 recoilles rifles (though some say its obsolete) in action against this Shtora thing.

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Anyway, I guess it would be better if there is a weapons mix for AFP in the anti-armor inventory.

If ever there would be, I would also consider Matador in it.

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MATADOR (Man-portable Anti-Tank, Anti-DOoR) is a 90 mm man-portable, disposable anti-armor weapon system developed by Singapore. It is an updated version of the German Armbrust design, and operates on the same principles. The development of this weapon began in 2000 and the MATADOR will eventually replace the German-Singaporean Armbrust Light Anti-tank Weapon which has been in service since the 1980s.[1]

The MATADOR was developed jointly by the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) and the Defence Science & Technology Agency (DSTA), in collaboration with Rafael Advanced Defense Systems[2][3] and Dynamit Nobel Defence (DND) joint team.[1]

:banana: MATADOR

Not bad i think we should buy it for division size equip but its up to the top brass if they pass not even the government approve purchases pass to the top brass i found that if the brass does not like it they just pay up first installment then leave it hanging just like that scorpion parts that the government bought their were problems in the top brass's end but i haven't got news what happen to the contract with it did they paid all of the installments? anyway nice find i think if we buy this we could buy most of our needs in Singapore?

Why the hell should the Philippine Marines buy anti-tank weapons? Do the MILF or the NPA operate tanks?

These anti-tank weapons will inevitably fall into the wrong hands and be used against the AFP! :headbang:

well the matador is not only a anti tank weapon but also a door opener for buildings and destroying pillboxes that are heavily fortified in our case fix enemy positions and also ad moral boost for the troops for falling in the wrong hands that always a risk in warfare so its also a well thought conclusion.

The Israelis used Matador in their conflicts vs the Hamas (Gaza Conflict 2008-2009).

The MATADOR saw its first combat deployment in January 2009, by Israeli Defence Force soldiers during Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip. MATADOR-WB in particular was used to breach walls in structures, allowing IDF troops to pass through and attack opponents inside. --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATADOR_(weapon)#Combat_History

Question, How much a Matador costs?