this is not an original idea from me but from a friend, he proposed that to prevent PMA alumni from becoming crooks when they become high ranking officers, the cadets should pay for their schooling in the academy.

the logic is most of the people who apply for PMA schooling belong to the lower classess who out of necessity want to enter the academy because of free education and guaranteed job after graduation, only a few actually enter out of patriotism and genuine intent of becoming a low-paid officer, so when they become colonels and generals they commit graft and corruption so they can become rich quickly and escape the poverty of their childhood.

if the PMA is no longer free, then only those students with genuine interest in becoming a military officer really want to enroll.

Once you pay your own tuition fee then you have the right to go where you wanted to go after graduation. Just like those taking up med school, engineering, nursing, IT etc. on private schools. Mostly going abroad or demands high pay to recover from the investment they made for schooling. You could no longer demand from its graduates to do the 8 years mandatory service to gov't.

Better ask those activists in U.P. and other gov't schools to pay theirs for wasting the peoples money and taking the slot of those most in need of education and willing to serve the country.

The parents would rather send their children to nursing school than to the PMA.

The government should encourage young men and women who belong to the upper class of our society, (meaning the aristocrats, or spoiled brat people born with silver spoon or is it gold?) to enter the PMA. Of course there must be a quota for this, otherwise the PMA would end up like U.P. or like the German military before WWII where the officer corps were dominated by the aristocrats.


In Israel and Australia, they have no military academy and yet their officers are very competent and professionals.

Israel and Australia are comparatively well-off countries, so most officers have no more motivation to garner illegal wealth.

I think there should be research done on the AFP officers involved in corruption, what percentage belonged to the lower class before they entered PMA? If the result is significant then there's some logic in Frenzy's (or his friends's) proposition.

If ever, the tuition should not be as high as those of Ateneo or La Salle, should be similar to those charged by SUCs.

im amenable to requiring the cadetas to pay tuition, kahit token lang, to give them a sense of obligation, to make them realize that not everything is free.

lahat ng sundalo -- active, retired, reserve -- na mapaptunayan na may ginawang anomalya sa pamahalaan magbayad sa PMA ng buong matricula nila na ginugol sa pagpapaaral sa kanila noong kadete pa sila...kung anong halaga ng matriculation when they were cadets that's the same amount they should give back to government...napakaraming sundalong nag-aral sa PMA na umupo, nakaupo at uupo na sangkot sa mga bagay na taliwas sa "do not lie, do not steal, do not cheat nor tolerate those who do"...basta mistah tama kahit mali...minsan naman mistah nga tinatabla...look at lacson and matillano...madalas pati mga asawa at girlfriend sinusulot...nakakarimarim kahit isipin pa lang...pag kadete iisipin mo "closer than brothers" ika nga ni alfred mccoy...pag labas na ng PMA nagsisiraan, nag-iinggitan, nagsasapakan, nagsusulutan...may kaibigan akong '81 nasa amerika na, pag tinatanong kung saan siya nag-kolehiyo hindi niya sinasabing PMA...he says some other school's name...he told me he was once at a party -- this was after general garcia was the headline in all the local newspapers -- and he was asked where he went for his college degree and when he said "philippine military academy" sabi sa kanya nung kano, "i thought it was philippine millionaires' academy"...my friend said "hindi ko naman masapak kasi ang nanguna sa akin was this sense of shame na kaeskwela ko si general garcia"...siguro kung lahat ng PMAers na napatunayang may ginawang anomalysa sa pamahalaan ay magbabayad ng ipinagpaaral sa kanila sa pamamagitan ng buwis ng sambayanang pilipino magkakaroon naman kahit papaano ng laman ang kaban ng ating republika...yung mga nakaupo ngayon, suriin din sana ang mga personal na records...marami akong alam na sundalo ang pagpapakilala sa mga sarili nila samantalang kung anu-ano ang pinaggagagawa...andyan ang magbabad sa casino filipino dyan sa may NAIA...andyan ang mag security aide sa pulitiko at taga-"procure" ng mga babae na "pangregalo" sa mga iba pang pulitiko...andyan ang mag networking ng mga health wellness products at binebentahan yung mga subordinates gaya ng crew sa barko kung saan siya ang CO...huwag kayong magtaka kung bakit maraming PMAers na mayaman...not that being rich is a crime...but a rich soldier? maari kung anak ka ng may kaya naman talaga sa buhay...dentista tatay mo, social worker nanay mo, lieutenant colonel ka, lima pinaaaral mo sa ateneo at miriam, may bahay ka sa alabang, paano nangyari iyun?...naalala ko yung eksena sa senado ni sen. joker arroyo at ni former general and chief of staff angelo reyes...tinanong ni sen. arroyo si gen. reyes kung paano siya nagkaroon ng halagang P10 million para ipagpagawa ng marangyang bahay...sagot ni gen. reyes "inipon ko po your honor ang sweldo ko simula pa noong kadete ako"...you should have seen sen. arroyo's face...he told gen. reyes, "let's assume that what you said is true, then i can safely say that from that time you were a cadet at the PMA up to the time you retired, you did not spend a single centavo for food, clothing, toiletries, dates, etc. kasi yun lang ang rational na maaring gawin sa pag-iipon ng lahat ng perang iyun"...hehehehehehehehehehehehe! :lollol: :banana:

There's an old PMA joke na ang unang nabubura sa bullring ay "Integrity" (remember the PMA motto of Courage, Integrity, Loyalty). Tama, when they are still in the Academy, they are closer than brothers, pero pag labas iba na, they sacrificed some of their ideals. Closer than Brothers by Alfred McCoy gives as a good insight of military socialization.

It makes no difference between products of paid and free education in general.

When they emerge from any prestigious or from a low class institution to serve the public and the private sector, they can still be fraternized with the compartmentalized
society and corrupt system.

Most even likely that some will seek instant recovery of what they have spent for their education.

No one will enrol if tuition fees will be instituted, 99% of the cadets go there because of the free education and stipend, not because they are patriotic.

I would have an opposite view. #1, The cadets shouldn't have to pay for their tuition. They will incur military service obligation.. #2. The young officer's have vision and a sense of loyalty which is corruptive once they leave the academy and enter the real world of hard knocks. They see themselves as minorities when faced with greedy shady and corrupt superiors. They begin to see their peers get promoted ahead of them and slowly change in order to survive. Most get married soon after graduation and have responsibilities. Deep down they want to be loyal and patriotic though. Thats just my opinion. The system needs to change first.

In my opinion, if there would be a tuition fee in PMA, we would have a drastic decline in producing AFP officers...

There may be only a few well-off youngsters who would prefer entering the academy.. If they had the money, they would rather enroll in exclusive colleges and universities...

Poor students who are determined to finish a degree even if entails a carreer in the military would really opt for PMA... Free education is really attractive in whatever angle you look at it.. They may be trained to be patriotic and loyal to the country in the course of the training...

Although I agree with what the thread starter posted.. It is also a possiblity but we should not generalize...


If and only if there would be a requirement for PMA cadets to pay tuition fees, we should strike a balance by focusing on ROTC in officer recruitment especially in state universities to give way for the not so well-off students who want a military career...


Otherwise, with less academy cadets and less opportunities in ROTC, there would really be a decline in the officer requirements... Oh, i forgot the OCS. hehehe...

If we are to start tuition fees in PMA, then the whole concept of the Institution would be scrapped. Who would want to pay for Tuition and be subjected to rigorous Military Training? There will be a decline in the Military Discipline. Some Cadets (or should I say Students) would not take their studies seriously since they are paying anyways. Some might even Drop Out and Enroll again Next Semester. After graduation they can choose what unit they will be assigned since they paid for everything... :crawling:

Frenzy....I don't think your FRIENDS idea is suceptible for the purging of corruption to future officers of ther AFP. Not all of them are driven to corruption. It's not EASY to be a PMA cadet ano! A person would not subject himself to a rigorous curriculum just to make a quick buck when he graduate from the academy. If the well to do are the only one who can affford to pay to get in academy, then it will just be just an elitist officer corps.

most of them became commies too, using the peoples money.

I agree with the replies, you can probably have terrorist enroll and more important you can make PMA the breeding ground for mercenaries (legally supported by the AFP).

:nono:

El Commandante,

Don't you even do any research????

Australia does have TWO MILITARY ACADEMIES- the Royal Military College at Duntroon, Australia, and the Australian Defense Force Academy (ADFA).

http://www.defence.gov.au/adfa/

http://www.defence.gov.au/army/rmc/Main/Main-Page.htm

Ayyy Buhayy...

:headbang:

I bet you must be wrong about Israel as well- since any professional military- even one as well-respected as the ADF and the IDF, would have a military academy!

I think that the PMA should remain tuition fee free. It is an advance payment for the deprivation that an officer must go through later. The mistakes and sins of those who did not live up to the Academy's ideals, I think, are still the exceptions.

UP just increased its tuition fees for incoming students several times over - and UP grads and alumni contribute to the Philippine economy and well-being far more than PMA alumni.

Not one UP alumni committed corruption as gross as Gen. Garcia et. al did, nor deadly violence as Gringo et al did.

So why not impose tuition fees at PMA?

Stop making this institution a free ride for future officers intent on amassing wealth and personal gain.

Let the cadets pay tuition, it need not be expensive like UP now, even 300 per unit would be fine.

MARCOS! Everything rolled into one...that's like 100 Gen. Garcias and 100 Gringos. :banana:

highly disagree. i believe the political unrest and instability caused by up grads (the leftist, socialists kind) have bled and stymied our economy for decades. think about it.

You are barking up the wrong tree. The PMA does not produce corrupt officers. It is the rotten AFP that takes these young and idealistic officers and turns a lot of them, into, well, alam mo na.

Kahit ang mga officers na galing ROTC, ganun din. :headbang:

I guess no one remembers what the officer corp and the PMA grads were like before they were corrupted by the devil named ferdinand.

But the armed forces will eventually be professional again. We'll get there.

And by the way, the upper classes does not have a lock on integrity. Matter of fact, I would even say PMAers of more modest means know the definition of Integrity better than the rich boys.

Gen1,


Before Marcos became president, a vice chief of staff was renting an apartment in Cubao since he could not afford to buy a house with his salary.

In contrast, the late (and unlamented) Fabian Ver bought a house for his mistress in Dasmarinas Village when he was chief of staff.

This two scenarios pretty much sums up what the dictator Marcos did to the AFP.

I rest my case.

Absolutely spot on comments ctrlaltdel !

Why would this guys who are the future rippers of democracy enjoy to acquire a career at the expense of the taxpayers who would be their future victims ?

Its the system emplaced that shapes and reforms the minds of the most talented and upcoming officers who realize their goals only after waddling in the mud. Once they see how easy it is to use the system for personal gain they quickly jump sides. Its the human instincts and need for greed that compels them to step over their fellow man and turn their back on Loyalty, Integrity and Most of All Professionalism, Duty, Honor and Their Country.

[QUOTE=ctrlaltdel,Jul 3 2007, 09:54 AM] Not one UP alumni committed corruption as gross as Gen. Garcia et. al did, nor deadly violence as Gringo et al did.

anak ng... FERDINAND EDRALIN MARCOS! isama mo pa si FABIAN VER.... :asniper:

When will people stop being immature? Blaming PMA for the actions of its graduates once they leave the portals of their alma mater is a stupid proposition. Requiring current cadets to pay for the mistakes of some cavaliers is even more stupid.

If we are to let ourselves be convinced by this arguments, then let us abolish PMA. Carrying on this line of thinking, let us abolish UP for producing Marcos and Ver. Let us abolish all the other schools whose alumni were involved in scandals. Extending the logic further, let us dissolve the Roman Catholic Church because of the Inquisition, the Crusades, the Witch hunts, the sex perverted bishops and priests. Let us even dissolve our nation dahil mga Filipino naman si Macoy, si Ver, si Gen Garcia, si Gringo, silang lahat, Filipino naman eh.

And what about the poor students who really wish to enter the PMA due to their desire to serve the country? Do we deny them that chance because they can not pay the tuition fee? And are you serious in insinuating that poor cadets, once they graduate are more likely to become corrupt due to their poverty? I do hope you are not out of your mind, because in effect, you are saying that poor people are inherently corrupt or inclined to be corrupt and dishonest. I do know a lot of people, Filipinos, who would rather be slaves here or in other countries rather than steal or be corrupt. There are a lot of Filipinos who take pride in the dignity of honest work and would never ever stoop to dishonesty.

Meron nga mga Filipinos na kahit mahirap, nagsoli ng pera o alahas o gamit na nakita o nakuha nila sa may-ari, kahit na pwede naman nila itong ibulsa. Tapos sasabihin mo na ang mahirap ay hindi mapagkatiwalaan? Napakamatapobre mo naman yata. Siguro isa kang mayaman, at nandidiri ka lang sa mga tulad naming mahirap, kaya ayaw mo na mayroong mahirap sa PMA, kaya gusto mo pagbayarin ng tuition ang mga kadete.

Compare that to rich people who can't stop being too greedy and abusing their influence to get what they want. Kahit maraming maghirap or masagasaan, basta sila, yumaman pa lalo.

:aberet: bravo sir icedman for putting it straight!