Tulfo may be right to some extent. But what transpired in that encounter is not mainly due to demoralization. The Marines were outnumbered and they were surprised by the unexpected big number that they didnt see before getting too close.

Nonetheless, putting their respected commanders in jail do hurt indeed.

The Marines have to understand that despite whatever good reasons the jailed leaders had in mind then, we all have to face the consequence of our actions to protect the significance of our law that all soldiers, including the jailed Marines, have sworn to do so.

Let's just hope that the govt will expedite the case and perhaps consider the current atmosphere in the military in deciding if it would be better for the country to give these jailed Marines another chance to serve our country.

Or just retire them early and set them free in exchange for their promise not to join any effort in destabilizing the govt ever again.

Just my view though. I know i am not right about this one.

Again, the gallantry of those Marines are being muddled by political BS. :headbang:

I agree. It is better for the soldiers to stay away from the ploys of politics at these times. The dirty ploys are just dragging them down. Our soldiers should just focus on their job and leave the political issues to the others.

Malalaman naman nating lahat kung talagang oras na talaga. :armywink:

WHAT!!? tulfo!! :headbang: that dude is a jackass... puro hambog :armyfrown:

What a jerk! There are some things not worth printing especially if they sow intrigues among members of the AFP and further increase their demoralizations. Don't tell me that if coup plotters grab power there will be no demoralizations among them majorities defending the lawful government and whose number of war heroes very far outnumber those of the enemy coup plotters.

There are no valid excuses for criminal acts and violative acts against the Constitution. :nono:

:fire:

When I was young, I knocked at the door of the commandants quarters along officer's row near st. ignatius chapel.

The door was opened by Mrs. Corpus, the Wife of then Col. Corpus. I was served chocolate chip cookies and a glass of milk by the kind lady.

After watching the movie of Victor Corpus, I was ecstatic to ask him lots of questions. From the bullet wound he had on his thigh, from the raid on the armory (which was different from the movie. I learned it was the armory of delta company).

I had this curiousity and a series of "why" question that had been laguishing in my mind that was left unanswered until I entered the noble profession of soldiery.

"why did you join the very opponent you have sworn to eliminate? why did you turn your back on your fellow soldiers? why did you fight your comrads?"

Victor Corpus smiled at me and said " your still young. you have lots of things to learn in life. soon enough you will understand and you will be able to answer your questions. dont rush yourself to grow up. enjoy it while it is still there."

Sir epigone, you have quoted Victor Corpus several times. email me privately if you can give me information of his where abouts, and if you are who i think you are, please tell me the name of my uncle, Victor Corpus' mistah.

I'll be tempted to call him up in his house in Loyola Heightsif you insist. But Victor has remained eternally classified. He's probably running agents here and there for us. Or drawing up plans for the latest spate of penetrations in the communist movement. I don't know where he is. And I don't know his mistah. Ask Brig. General Pedro Juachon!, the man who singlehandedly foiled all coup attempts, my next door neighbor in Nueva Ecija and my spy handler in UP.(Make him your hero and not Honasan!) Or ask Navy Commodore E, my uncle. Ask Pedro who's E. If it's clear then he'll tell you.You're great NoKoi. I like your posts.

This is the problem of journalists here in our country, they tend to sensationalize, thus, things are being blown out of proportion, I know Tulfo used to have Marines as bodyguards, yet what may be the sentiments of a few may not be the sentiment of everybody in the unit. Every soldier has their own gripes, even the Americans in Iraq, though they are the world's only military superpower, they still gripe about their equipments, missions and their leaders, yet nobody is saying or nobody is crying out loud that they are demoralized.

Can you just imagine the impact of such statements to the enemies of the state like the NPAs, Abu Sayyaff and other terrorist groups? This might be a cue for them in order to step up their criminal activities.

Yan ang hirap dyan kay Tulfo e, basta may maisulat lang without thinking kung ano ang impact nung mga sinasabi nya.

The pen is indeed mightier than the sword, as the pen can shape perceptions and there are times that perceptions are bigger than realities.

In fairness to Mr Tulfo, di naman cguro ganun ang ibg nyang iparating.

We have to take into account the respect and sympathy that had grown between him and his bodyguards, which made him this empathic.

Mr. Tulfo was right to a certain extent, in fact.

Again you are correct, I admire your balance and objectiveness. Pero iba talaga pag present yung mga matitinding officers, yung lakas ng loob ng mga tropa mo nanggaling sa iyo bilang officer. Malakas ang loob ng mga Eps pag kasama sa opn ang mga officers because they wala silang pwedeng gawing mali since they entrust their lives to the officer leading them. It is a reality that if the officer has more accomplishments and respect mas malakas ang loob ng mga tropa. Masarap palinggan yung "sama ako sa iyo sir kahit saan". :salute:

the funny thing is he is very close to the corps. labas pasok siya sa HPM since the time of Gen. Ruiz, he is also a good friend of Col. Viray.

On Col. Viray, he stopped his volunteer work with Marines after that fiasco regarding the eviction of overstaying officers, he was not resisting the eviction order in fact he was just asking for a couple of more days since he was in the procees of moving the rest of his personal things to the house he rented in Bicutan. But what really pissed him off was the comment of one PMC officer "walang volunteer volunteer dito, kung past Comm. napa -alis ko ikaw pa kaya" which I find insulting and walang respeto for the service he gave. oh well :dunno:

that officer has the reputation of being "magan -magan" among the eps that served under him.

sir, hindi po yata marine officer ito, navy, sa pagkakaalam ko at sa lumabas sa news sa mga television stations...may nagsulat pa nga po tungkol dito sa opisyal na ito sa manila times... :bow: :banana:

my mistake di pala pmc, speaking of col. viray, spoke was able to get news from him yesterday and he stopped his volunteer work totally, he is planning to go to his property in pampangga and try to fix it so it would be livable at present there is no power and running water. sayang talaga si sir.

SC okays court martial of ‘poll fraud’ whistleblowers



THE Supreme Court said the military could proceed with the court martial of two officers who testified on the alleged widespread fraud during the 2004 presidential elections before the Senate, upholding with finality its August 15 ruling on the issue.

In a three-page decision, the high tribunal said although it agreed with the contention of retired brigadier Francisco Gudani and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Balutan, both of the Philippine Marines, that obedience to the chain of command and the President as commander-in-chief does not apply to illegal orders or commands, this will have to be determined by the military court.

"A soldier faced with an order which he feels is illegal may choose to disobey the order on such premise,” the decision said.

“However,” it added, “when he does so he is not automatically exempted from undergoing the process of military justice. If the soldier is prosecuted for disobeying such order, the burden falls on him to establish before the court martial that the order is indeed illegal...The determination of whether an order by a superior officer is illegal lies first with the military trier of facts, subject to review by the chain of command, and then the court.”

After Gudani and Balutan appeared before the Senate, despite the issuance of Executive Order (EO) 464 by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, which barred government and military officials from appearing before Congress without prior approval, they were charged with violating Articles of War 65, or willful disobedience of a superior officer, and 97, conduct prejudicial to good order and military discipline.

The two officers, who linked government and military officials to the alleged electoral fraud, then filed a petition seeking to annul the directive and an injunction against their court martial for violating the directive.

The tribunal eventually declared EO 464 unconstitutional.

http://newsinfo.inq7.net/breakingnews/nati...rticle_id=24760

:patrioticpinoy: demoralized bah??? then air your grievance to GMA look what Trillanes did.

uh..oh... another one from Tulfo

Oh well. I hope that evrything will clear up soon. :patrioticpinoy: