Now some of you guys have designed a gun for the army, how about designing an armored vehicle for the army...?

:patrioticpinoy:

We have at present the Kalakian and hari-digma. It's already a start.

The Marines are armoring their M35's and Humvees with so little they have.

can you guys give show us the links to the kalakian and the haridigma?

Hey Judd, don't you know how to browse - there are already quite a number of information and threads about the Kalakian hereabouts.

Just look and read. Okidoks?

six wheeled, runs on diesel, equipped with a snorkel, with sloped armor and anti-rpg slats, with a universal turret mount... turret variants include 50 cal, 80mm cannon, mortars/grenade launchers.... or maybe a stinger or two hehehehe

Wushu,

I will design my armored vehicle as an amored recovery vehicle/medical evac unit version.Six wheeled also, complete with medical equipments for battle field porpuses up to 6-8 people capacity, rocket launcher,40 mm gun turret, 50 caliber machine gun, upgraded armor, wire mesh for anti rpg, night vision capability,complete communication band and more power to the engine with better suspension system.

I'd design for my first foray an armored scout car and a half-track based on the owner jeep and jitney designs respectively. Then a more combat worthy versions of the armored cars plying our city streets. Once enough experience is achieved I'd move to making compact tanks like those of the Wiesel design and concept suited for local resources and needs. And the half-track design to morph later on to wheeled or track conversion capables. Motorcycle and sidecar design would also be focused upon with later models reviving the tracked motorcycle models of the German Army during the Second World War. Progress would be on fully tracked models instead of the wheeled ATV design for better use on our kind of terrain.

My choice is a diesel 6x6 patterned after the Stryker with applique cages for RPG protection. There also hatches on top from which troops can fire their rifles. There also a turret-mounted 20MM cannon and a Grenade MG. It can also carry an 81MM mortar. It can carry 10 fully-equipped troops + 3 crewmen.

This is complimented by a light-tank for Infantry Support. It's got a low-profile body with RPG skirts. It's main gun is a 90MM Cockerill with autoloader and it can mount TOWs or any other ATGMs. It's got a diesel powerplant. The tank also has a detachable dozer blade. This can be operated by 2-3 crewmen. It will have a low-slung turret.

I would also opt for a medium tank with a 105MM rifled gun with auto loader. It also runs on a diesel. It also has a low-profile body but no turret. It also has a built-in dozer blade. This tank is inspired by the defense-only Swedis S-Tank.

Nice idea nga yun 60mm hyper velocity gun. We could mount a lot of those on our light armored vehicle assets. I wonder why that idea hasn't taken off? You could store a lot of ammo for those compared to the bigger calibres. I've even read on the web that there's a mysterious anti-tank round that disabled American Abrams tanks in Iraq. Pencil thin ang hole. Has anyone else come across the said mysterious round baka may update na.

Just scroll down the page and you'll see the Hari-Digma.

Enough for the design of the Armored vehicle,there is already plenty in the inventory what is needed is the logistic assets to sustain in a firefight.The swedish invention BV206S ARMOURED, ARTICULATED ALL-TERRAIN VEHICLE, SWEDEN is the important think because it can be mobilized in the rugged and mountaneous terrain,in which bullets,ammos, and food are needed by our troops.

what do u think is the better tank for the army bradley or LAV or T 35? :patrioticpinoy: or send other tank catagory? :salute:

consider the available resources, are we capable of building our own army vehicles?

IMHO... not yet. you need a world class steel industry for that, sad to say we do not have that capability as of now. we cannot even produce engines for auv's or cars or owner type jeeps, we import japanese or korean used engines and transmissions, jury rig them to fit into backyard assembled auv and jeep bodies and presto! you have a "new" vehicle. what is needed is a determined and sustained effort from the government and private sector to research, develop and produce weapons systems that would suit our needs and for our military to use locally made arms, armaments and other materiel, the military must submit their requirements and specifications and participate in every step of the way until its achivement. but sad to say we do have this self defeating attitude that locally produced goods are inferior to imported ones, whether they are arms, clothes or anything! if we are to succeed in this endeavor we have to bear in mind some things such as what do we really need? and not what do we want. what is suitable and what is not to our terrain and climate. we must get the best bang for the buck! IMHO again we could do better by manufacturing RPG's, imagine how much rpg's we could produce for the price of a single tank??? a thousand? how much rpg's would it take to destroy a Type 80 or a Type 90 Chicom tank? imagine if we have literally thousands of rpg's! we could and would annihilate an invading army of chicoms, even if if takes 4 or 5 rounds per tank! we could even rig it to be mounted on Marine Multi Purpose Vehicles (MMPV) much like what our marines are doing now..

Comrade we steel need a steel plant in the country(PhilSteelCorp is unstable when it comes to operation). We are rich in the raw materials but the development of the raw materials is still a big issue. It is just the same issue in the build up of the Naval vessel but the difference is that the latest naval technology is already here in our country. Then next you must look up to is the Research and development of the program.i think our government has yet to solve its budgetary problems. They cant afford to finance such BIG amount of project. Also to incorporate a better development is the involvement of the Private sector. Our government has no safety nets in the arms industry development.

correct ko lang " we still need a steel plant in the country". kailangan yung stable ang operation at maaasahan ng mga local builders.

The phils need tanks like all nations we keep buying tanks from allied nations but do u think ist time the country must built its own made tanks for not ust army but the marine corp and other department? :snipemo: :patrioticpinoy: :salute:

I believe YES! The fighting requirements that we presently experience necessitate for the building of an indigenousd tank. I'm not advocating a merkava type project but something that can be an all-around, hard-hitting and reliable killing machine

^you might also want to look at Singapore's Bronco.

if the PA wanted to develop it’s own armor, it could easily select from military-off-the-shelf (MOTS) hardware and literally mix-and-match to come up with what it needs. for example, a hypothetical PA light tank:

chassis

a light tank being intended to deliver maximum firepower and fight other armored vehicles, the primary consideration here is a given platform’s ability to withstand the shocks and stresses of firing a 90mm or larger main armament. secondary to this is facilitating ease of maintenance by using popular, widely-available engine models, transmissions, suspensions and other mechanical components. at present one manufacturer has produced a very interesting chassis that an enterprising service can develop further:



http://www.one35th.com/bionix/155_gallery7.htm, http://www.mindef.gov.sg/weapons/sph/aboutssph.asp

obviously a chassis designed to survive the continuous firing of a 155mm howitzer can reasonably be expected to accept a 90mm gun without complaint. the Primus chassis’ other qualities (compactness, high power, suitability for jungle operations) speak for themselves.

alternatively, a second-hand chassis can be adapted, one of the best being:



the Bundeswehr’s Marder MICVs have been extensively upgraded, but are likely to be replaced by that service’s new ultra-modern Puma IFVs (not a bad option itself but $$$). a tank version of the Marder already exists in the form of Argentina’s TAM (Tanque Argentina Mediano) aka TH301:



http://www.enemyforces.com/tanks/tam.htm, http://www.saorbats.com.ar/GaleriaSaorbats...0argentino.html)

armament

several 90-105mm options are available but imo this is the best of the breed:



http://www.cmi.be/defence/ws105_en.htm

105mm, made by the same Belgian outfit supplying the PMC’s 90mm Cockerill Mk. 3’s. state-of-the-art, claimed to defeat all known MBT armor, autoloader, gun installation provides an impressive 50+degree elevation for engaging targets in buildings and high ground. certainly a weapon that can be mounted on a wheeled vehicle can easily be installed on a self-propelled howitzer or tracked IFV chassis.

alternative from the East: the 100mm 2A70/30mm 2A72 combo from the BMP-3.

i think LAV its good for the philippine landscap

Can't we build a plant for building our own light tanks and guns??? let's say for 2 billion US$? Would that be possible???Don't worry about the money--the Philippines has it.

commando + epigone + Lt.superman and now Marschall - di kaya mga communist infiltrator ang mga to?

parang may similarity ang mga post nila...hmmmm

Hey sewer rat---be careful what you say. Ako ang taong ayaw na ayaw sa mga komusta and all left-wingers. You always think that nationalists are Communists?!I can't remind myself of writing anything that could be related to Communism!!! :dontgetit:

Current indigenous Filipino-made and designed tanks in inventory:

Armored Personnel Carriers
Kalakian
Hari-Digma

SUGGESTIONS

A. Build upgraded multi versions of Kalakian: Kalakian should become the Army's main APC Light Assault Armoured Vehicle in the future, another type with amphibious, SAM, SS, Anti-tank, Anti-infantry, and Scout-mission capabilities is a must.

B. Hari-Digma has a unique design, but not limited to upgrade it. It is good for a light anti-aircraft guns as its main function. Engine can be upgraded if needed to support a missile-turret/launcher.

However, AFP is still short of multi-role APC and battle-tanks. Your suggestions will be much appreciated. Thank you.

:aberet: :armycheers: :patrioticpinoy:

Increase the armour of the 2 models (Kalakian and Hari Digma). I've heard or read somewhere it uses only 1/4 inch thick armour plates. How about adding 1/8 more inch to the plates and install our own design of cage armour.

I know the Kalakian has a strong engine, I don't know about the Hari Digma. I hope this engine can take the armour upgrades.

Right now what i would like the AFP to upgrade is the M 113's. it should have decent upgrade right now. we can came up of more variants in this units to name some are missile launcher,medical ambulance, command post, and etc. it is a long delayed plan to up grade the M113's so why not for step by step move for this units.

Here's some of the previous suggestions:

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2166
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2554
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2154
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=2121
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=282
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=1119

For your information people, first of all, am no designer nor engineer, I'm only here to give favor to one of my friends who will be working for this program. Am no newcomer of any pinoy forums, I've been joining many forums for while and one of my friends tap me to do this survey. However, I am not allowed to reveal my true identity to avoid any confusions or personal discomfort to other personnels who will also be working with this program. Because some of our immediate competitors may also be doing the same thing specially with their foreign and local counterparts. You may know my email address but that is all about it. This is not my first & last survey, am also looking forward to input more ideas from more Filipino related defense forums for our PAF, PN, and for Special operations. My patriotic team is trying to stay ahead of those american, negative, and hopeless mentality "Filipinos" before we lose this opportunity.

So I will really really be proud of you guys here and appreciate your opinions and helpful ideas. If you have anymore personal questions, you can ask me through email or private messaging.

Although am not counting any additional ideas for imported military armoured vehicles in our inventory, because we already have plans for them, the upgrades of their weapons, armours, and engines.

What I needed are many different inputs of any bright ideas and it has to be pro-Filipino since most of the members of management team favors the sound of Filipino to reflect with our patriotic programs and for our future armoured vehicles. However, you don't have to be worried about the details but simplified suggestions is okey if you wish, since we trust the profesionals to take care of their armaments. All your inputs will be appreciated and pass on to people who will be working for the SRDP program later on. Only the best suggestion will be considered though not sure if there will some comissions to be paid if when we selected his or her ideas.

I will give you an example aside from Hari-Digma and Kalakian, my actual suggested ideas (name/description/function):

Battle Tank

TORO
wheeled-tracked, multi layer armors, heavy duty amphibious main battle tank, V12 air-cooled turbo-charged diesel engine, telescopic intake for light amphibious capability

crew: 4
armaments: automatic-focus 120 mm smooth bore gun, electro-hydraulic gun control system, grenade lauchers, six 76mm smoke mortars, anti-missile/aircraft guns, SAM SR Sting, coaxial 7.260mm MG3, with thermal and nightscope system, lazer transmitter and receiver, auxiliary magnification-telescope, with fully independent stabilized panoramic sight, EMES-15 laser rangefinder, eye-safe laser shifted

SCORPIO
10 split-in half wheeled-tracked (2x5 separated wheeled tracked) light-assault battle tank

crew: 3
armaments: fire control system, rear mounted automatic-focus 105mm gun turret with anti-aircraft/missile guns and short range SAM (sting), grenade launcher, flame thrower, sniper gun, thermal imaging and nightscope systems, automatic M60 machinegun with fully stabilized independent panoramic sight.


Armoured Personnel Carrier: (APC)

KALABAW
four 6' giant wheels, troops sit back to back in the middle facing the sides with peak-holes for better defense against ambushes, and upgradable for amphiboius capabilities.

crew: 3
troops: 50
armaments: 2 front mounted automatic machine-gun turrets (behind the driver) armed with thermal imaging system, grenade launchers and other various possible weapons.

4 possible variations:
1. Troop carrier (base)
2. Command Tank
3. Ambulance (MEDEVAC)
4. Amphibious Troop carrier


Light Amphibious Armoured Vehicle: (LAAV)

ALIMASAG
8 wheel-drive
crew: 3
armaments: advance single automatic-focus cannon/automatic gun turret, grenade launcher, smoke grenade, with 2 mounted robotic arms armed with anti-tank missiles and gatling gun.

Amphibious Armoured Assault Vehicle: (AAAV)

BAYAWAK
4 wheel drive light tank
crew: 3
armaments: basic single MG3 turret with smoke/grenade launchers, optional installation of 105mm gun, SAM or SS, anti-missile gun, and some sophisticated radar.

3 possible variations:
1. SAM light-tank
2. SS light-tank
3. Light Assault Tank with 105mm gun.

All-Terrain Light Assault Vehicle: (ATLAV)

BARAKO
4 wheel-drive, assault-jeep
crew: 3
Basic Armaments for scout mission: thermal imaging system and scope, sniper gun, rear mounted M60/gatling-gun, grenade launcher, & anti-tank rocket; variation 2: anti-aircraft gun, passenger mounted gatling-gun & grenade launcher

2 possible variations:
1. Scout Armoured Vehicle
2. Anti-Aircraft Vehicle

Armoured Recovery Vehicle: (ARV)

TAMARAW

crew: 2
armaments: one defensive automatic-focus machinegun turret with grenade launcher, smoke mortar, and Sting.

2 possible variations:
1. Armoured Recovery Vehicle
2. Bridge Tank


Your input will be appreciated. Computer-generated graphic photos are very welcome. Thanks to all patriotic pinoys and military enthusiasts.

:fire: :crawling: :armycheers: :patrioticpinoy:

Hey Spearhead, I'm greatly honored to see so like you. A true patriot. Are those tanks you listed already being built or are those your ideas?? :patrioticpinoy: :agree:

Toro... I like the sound of that.

Not to sound like the resident pessimist or anything, but do we have the capability to develop laser rangefinders, tank engines, and AA missiles/guns?
Just asking, cause RoK had to have develop these jointly with foreign firms for their K1 and K2.

Thank you! The best word I can use is, suggested only. We still need a lot of expertise and technical help from other countries who maybe willing to help us under this program for joint venture projects, in which both countries will benefit from it. Although there is another way to do it in an inexpensive way, by simply using Kalakian, Hari-Digma, Simba, and some imported military vehicles such as the M113's and Scorpion tanks, as our primary existing models to build another similar type of light tanks and mass produce it when after finalizing our projects and regid tests. Right now our nation need, #1 amphibious SAM capabilities, #2 amphibious APC, lastly but not imminent yet, a battle tank. The reason why we need amphibious capable tanks are because of our physical structure of our land that consists of many swamps, lakes, and mostly surrounded by sea, since our country is consists of many islands.

Hopefully everything will go smoothly accordingly to our plans.

:patrioticpinoy:

:exactly:

As what I said earlier, we may need foreign technical help for a joint venture. We will be doing the same thing as what other asian nations have done to conduct their own indigenous tanks and other military aircrafts. Because that is the only way aside from being 100 % independent by building our own from scratch, although we can use our existing tanks as our base models. To me its not a bad idea though it will take longer years to develop for sure, and the thing is, we need advance tanks right away or as soon as possible in 20 yrs, hopefully!

:snipemo: :patrioticpinoy:

Hello people! You seem to be very creative, why dont you guys help me on my survey in my related threads (PAF & PA). Describe and NAME your tanks with pro-filipino sound. Thank you. :patrioticpinoy:

Well Spearhead-I myself already designed some tanks and also named them "Tamaraw" and "Kalabaw". But I also find the name Hari Digma great. I guess I'll try to studa here in Germany about designing tanks and so on to someday hopefully be able to improve our own inventory. Do you have drawings/blueprints of those tanks you mentioned? Are you working for the army? Does somebody have an idea how much a Hari Digma costs? :patrioticpinoy: We'll rise again guys!!!


I thought of a 4X4 wheeled tank such as the Hari Digma with a MG-turret and grenade launchers and rocket launchers on each side for head-on attacks with locally built rockets. The fuel shoul also be processed locally from coconut oil in order to ensure our new tanks can move anytime. This tank should also have enough space for another 8-10
soldiers/marines inside. Of course this tank can be modified in any way to adapt it to the mission it has to do. :salute:

Sounds good! Pareho pala tayo ang inisip uh tuwing gabi? Hehe...

Although i have my own drawings of my own dreams, i have no professional help since am not a designer, but i can draw. My brothers were artists though...

Im actually planning to scan them and email it one day when im done, to somebody who can help me upgrade my drawings and put some additional specifications to it and then post it in the internet. The only worries i have is if someone steals my design hehehe...

Presently, im done with my attack-aircrafts: AGILA, LAWIN, UWAK, KWAGO, and tanks: KALABAW & TORO. More to draw.

Lastly, do you mind if you share your drawings to us? Thank you!

Oh yes, WE WILL RISE AGAIN AS A NATION WITH CAPABLE ARMED FORCES.




:snipemo: :patrioticpinoy:

Well I'm not that good drawer,you see. I normally draw the tanks 2-D seen from the side. I could also draw them 3D but I'm quite too lazy for that-sorry. nevertheless I knwo a very good artist and he could easily redraw my designs. I'm now working on a high-speed 4X4 armored assault vehicle that is a bit smaller than the Toro. I'll scan ASAP. Is it okay to have them 2D or would you like to have 'em 3D?

By the was,spearhead, are we just drawing for fun or do you know someone in our country related to his business and looking for new ideas? Do you know the Brazilian Pucara(rotary anti-guerilla aircraft). We could build those,too---of course a modified Filipino design and then eventually replace the OV-10s with our own planes.

Do we have scientists in the Rp who are actually capable of building own missiles? Think of the Spratleys with mounted middle/longe renge anti-ship missiles and some air-to-surface missiles. That would make China think twice before trying to occupy more of our land.


Mabuhay Pilipinas!!!! :patrioticpinoy:

Ps: I really like the SWAG--my ninong is a Lt. We should have more of those guys and teach the NPA and muslim rebels what Fear means.

Same here. But if you dont mind, anything can do, comrade. Thank you.

Even if we are serious or not, since i dont work directly with any pinoy companies that design and build tanks or whatsoever, I dont know if someone in there will take it seriously anyway. So for now let say, just for fun. :D

We used to have some specially those who worked in Bataan Nuclear Power plant, so Im not sure if they are still alive or have been gone along time ago and been working in abroad for other foreign companies. Under Marcos administration, we had rocket scientists who have briefly worked with some of Marcos' SRDP missile projects. In a matter of fact, some of their prototype products are in display, if im not mistaken, somewhere inside the former Fort Bonifacio/Villamore Airbase.

Sounds good comarade!

:patrioticpinoy:

You know comrades, I read about the news of our revival claims of Sabah. To tell you the truth, if all the SRDP plans succeed, and if the charter change became successfull too, the dreams of our AFP to have a formidable and hitech battletank is imminent. Right now it is not imminent yet since we're still surrounded by the sea, but as soon as if granted we successfully claim the Sabah back to our country, a mass production of TORO battletank will knock down the Malaysian thin and obsolete wall of defense, if a military solution is needed. Either way though, we will still need lots of battletanks to protect our future troops that will be deployed at Sabah.

:thumb: :rifle: :werock: :armycheers: :patrioticpinoy:

I'm also in favor of taking back Sabah but the malaysian Armed Forces are too strong for us and they will not stop to modernize and improve their military which leaves us far behind. They even have the SU-30. How on earth should we ztry and battle them if we cannot even crush the rebellions in our own country. :armycry:

I agree.

BTW, my "Barako" type Light Reconaissance Vehicle will be looked similar to this:





With Gauss Cannon: