PDFF members who want Kyle Katarno banned from PDFF due to his various idiotic and senseless posts sign up here!


Definition of a troll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

ihave read his postings and i think he is really a troll

maybe he is communist infiltrator who just want to cause trouble and confusion in pdff

i vote to have him bannned by the admin

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Also ban rainbow ranger and epigone :thumb:

Ewan...basta nakakatawa na naman yung forum avatar niya, yung photo ng bungi na bata- his forum avatar looks very funny- the picture of that poor boy smiliing with elongated/missing teeth. :armycheers:

Still, can you please give us an example of one of his pointless posts- what thread is an example?

Please quote at a few examples.

Exile Kyle Katarno

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He's just being funny unless he does something crazy from now on. He's staunch defender of Philippine democracy and zealous anti-coup. We'll miss him if he's gone.

Give him a chance to reform, if he continues with his evil ways then exile him to Hell :demon:

im flattered...thanks and long live the AFP

troll na troll ang dating talaga!!!

:lollol:

PDFF owner/s, moderator/s and administrator/s whatever are you guys waiting for? kyle katarno was already booted out of PASR...i don't think PDFF wants rejects? :banana:

PDFF always gives rejects a chance to reform, Ms. Maldita :armywink:

But he is being closely watched, believe me.

what i don't like about K.K. is his avatar, it's one thing to make people laugh and another to make them laugh at another persons expense. How would you feel if everybody is laughing because of your looks? because you were not fortunate enough to have the looks of an actor or model? you think you would like that? think about it.

Maldita,

Even though Kyle Katarno might possibly be a troll, I take a little offence at that comment "rejects" since I don't believe that any society should exclude anyone- I don't believe in any cliques outside the military such as frats.

I resent that comment since I worked for some time in the United States and have been very resentful that I was not able to get work sponsorship in that country in spite of my having tried- does that make ME a reject then? (screw US immigration laws, Canada took me in instead, not like gun-toting US conservatives like Dukakis and pro-labor union Democrats really s*** for keeping immigrants like me out and who won't become a nurse who wipes people's asses just to stay in that overrated nation- the United States)


Now that I've said my piece, lets get :btt:

Hey MSantor. You probably caught the attention of persons in charge in Ottawa. That's the reason you're in Canada. Hindi ka talaga tumitigil sa pro-Taiwanese independence mo and your obsession with national security. As I said, parehong pareho tayo ng diskarte to obtain immigrant's visa. I got my British immigration papers last year.

I share with you some of my secrets of obtaining immigrant's visa in Britain. Make a zealous effort in defending democratic capitalism, the Queen etc. Join forums. Research and publish your papers. Attend symposiums and voice out your anti-communist opinions to the audience. Make a treatise in defense of capitalism and submit it to foreign intelligence agencies in Australia, US, Britain, France(Foreign Legion) and Canada. It's an easy thing to do. Then you will catch the attention of security officers in immigration. And hopefully you get employment or immigrant visa. Ako hindi talaga ako tumigil nang kadadada defending democratic capitalism even though my parents are low-paid government employees. Man, capitalism works! Ask Lee Kwan Yew of Singapore. :btt:

Epigone,

No. That is dreaming. In the eyes of the US Intelligence agency, only citizenship matters first. They will not listen to me no matter how many degrees I have.

BTW, my last post was not directed at you, but at Maldita. Please stay out of this.

I am staying in Canada and I am making the best of it.

MSantor


BTW, aren't you afraid that other members on this thread want to ban you and "rainbowranger" also? Beware. Look at the earlier posts in this thead carefully.

epigone has NEVER been afraid of anything, msantor...if one can actually ASK a PMAer to sleep with one's daughter, albeit metaphorically, what else can frighten that person?

i'm sorry if you took offense "at that comment 'rejects'"...i meant for that word "rejects" exclusively and limited to the acceptance of members into the PDFF...i didn't mean to use that word in any other context other than the inclusion of such an individual into a forum -- PDFF -- which i have grown to love...if you took it some other way -- and i don't really see how you took it in relation to your not being able to get work sponsorship in the U.S. -- i can't do anything about that, msantor, because i will not apologize for the "offense" i have "committed" since said "offense" has absolutely no pertinence to what i was saying about a certain individual, who is most definitely not you...you're having been rejected by the U.S. does not mean you have to be -- or are automatically -- a "reject" inspite of the technical procedure it did employ...msantor, it's like talking about apples and oranges, get my drift?...the "little offense" which you say i committed is neither here nor there...oh yeah...i never would have guessed someone like you -- who i have always considered one of the better, more logical and candidly reasonable members of PDFF -- would be offended by that word which i used to describe someone else...but then again i have been disappointed various times already so it's not a big deal...

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oh yeah...thank you for being a gentleman in sending me a PM to inform me... :banana:

easy, people :aberet:

:funnypost:

Sourgraping?...

Sourgraping, yes Siree. I was denied so many many times in USA. But I still remain pro-American and support the troops. What can I do eh hindi nakapasa. That's life and life goes on. Lucky to be admitted in Canada and at present resident in Birmingham. We are blessed with so many blessings, MSantor. Love America from which we inherited the right to immigrate in her soil and our Constitution.

MSantor, you know what made you subject interest? Your knowledge of Mandarin, your political opinions, your articulateness, your adroitness and your academic endeavors. Persistence paid off just like how I persistent I was. Look at me now. Earning 33 thousand dollars a year, barhopping everyweek, lots of blond girlfriends, works as an executive in an ad agency, and has a blond, lovely secretary. The loveliest legs I've ever seen.

As much as I cherish and value my membership in this forum, I cannot do anything if I get banned in this forum. That's life. Life goes on. But please if ever I have offended somebody, tell me and please forgive me. It wouldn't ever happen again. I have had no histories of recidivism. If I commit a wrong and I get scolded, I don't ever do it again. :btt:

I ban din si epigone dahil bastos at walang modo, walang respeto sa babae :armyfrown:

I apologize Sir cookie if I have offended you in the past. From now on I will reform and refrain from commenting on anything girlie.

What in the world is so funny?

Sourgraping?

Excuse me? A lot of pinoys are like that, with the so-called "Crab mentality".

Still that comment to laugh at someone else's expense is just plain verbal/pschological sadism and is not Christian or goes against Catholic principles.

But of course Barber6 wouldn't understand...the problems with us Pinoys as a people is that we are so obsessed with Vanity and putting each other down just to succeed that we forget we must be united. But OH well...people like Barber 6 would sigh and say...

:whogives:

in their cynical, matter-of-fact way.

I won't let any of these disappointments quash my idealism.

Speaking of putting each other down, this is just nothing more than an inquistion to root out some members-Kyle Katarno, Epigone and Rainbow Ranger- who happened to be less informed. The other members who want them banned are just plain arrogant and lack patience, since from what I've read of their posts, they just want to participate and I haven't seen anything "OUT OF LINE".

This thread is just an inquistion due to annoyance of some members by a few- the singling out of people or ostracizing- nothing more. The tyranny of the majority.

To all PDFF members.

Peace to all! I commend those individuals who put up this forum for us to share our insights about the AFP, the Philippines, our heritage and culture, modern weapons, etc but most importantly to have fun to a certain extend and not to the point of being a joker. I maybe a new member but since I joined this forum, I feel very at home as I am able to discuss military stuff and personal opinions with fellow guys and girls like you. I learned a lot to be honest especially from very knowledgeable individuals. The moderators are great with the way they share their insights and handling things. Let us just forget this "little misunderstanding" with some members who some find annoying and disruptive and just go on discussing more interesting topics. We are all Filipinos whether you are citizens from another country (pardon for those friends of our who are really local of their own country) or not. Let us get rid of that crab mentality that has been a bane in the Filipino culture and just focus how to help one another. I beleive one of the purpose of this forum is for Filipino "war freaks" from around the world to be united in speaking out their thoughts on how to improve the condition of the military. Let bygones be bygones. Peace again to all! God Bless all the members of the PDFF. Long live the Philippines!


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Epi, Kookie is a GIRL too that's why you have to tone down your male chauvinist pig attitude :brrt:

Msantor,

Yes your post was funny!!! Please don't even use the term "Crab Mentality" because it does not fit in. I reacted to your post because I found it funny. Why? Because it showed how immature you are. What if the US accepted you? Would still say the same thing with the US immigration Laws or those Gun Toting Conservatives. Why can't you just accept that the Lord probably wanted you to be in Canada instead of the US? I am a Catholic and I do know what is good from bad...but I don't think that my post was Psychologically sadistic (well if it affected you then better go and have yourself checked by a Psychologist) as you'ved mentioned in your PM to me...I guess it is squashing your idealism because you are reacting like a baby.

I do not know what you are talking about vanity...etc. Putting somebody down to succeed? Succeed where? THIS IS A FORUM, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! The only thing I can gain from here is the knowledge that is shared by every member. If popularity for you in the Forum is success then you can have it all. By the way, don't PM me again!


P.S. I was laughing at your post before, now I am laughing at you!!! :brrt:

This thread looks getting out of hand...

Cool off guys.

Barber 6,
I am not talking about success in this forum. It's just that I don't like the way certain people like putting down others and forming their own cliques of their own. Philippine society and US society are full of that- for example, within your AFP you have the PMAer ringknockers and then you have the ROTC Vanguards, then you have the various cliques by financial class, social group, religion or even things as petty as province or even barangay.

In the US, you have the Ivy Leaguers, the US Service Academy ringknockers, such as the West Pointers and the Annapolis graduates. Then you have the various social classes by income, and then by ethnicity, from Caucasians to Asians to Hispanics/Latinos to other immigrant groups. Then political ideology- whether it's conservative or liberal.

A cynic like you may just calmly say it's reality and it's not for you - well SIR- you haven't seen the things I've seen. As a liberal, I believe in the equality of RESULTS not opportunnity. While you conservatives believe in caring only for yourselves and lowering tax while the poor and the weak are screwed!!!!! BY GOD MAN, Society is supposed to be a family, NOT a bunch of cliques like it is in a schoolyard cafeteria!!!!!

Thus I believe that the only cliques that should exist are those dictated by physical ability, such as athletic teams or the military, or mental ability, such as doctor's and doctor's associations. If it's something that's artificial however, such as citizenship or social class, I don't believe it should exist.

I realized this once when I visit a US Navy recruiting booth and a Navy Chief Petty Officer- a Fil-Am- who was in his mid-40s who was there. Back then, I was merely a Filipino citizen on a student visa and not yet a Canadian permanent resident. When I asked the chief whether I could join and when he found out I wasn't yet a greencard holder, he MERELY IGNORED me and turned his attention to this other applicant behind me. That really hit me- it revealed to me that our people have such a "crab mentality" and only care for themselves- that is why the Philippiines will not progress as a country because any sense of nationalism is superficial and Pinoys back home are always vying to divide each other through these social cliquish loyalties or through political or ethnic or provincial ones. Thus I see the fact I could not enlist a clique of citizenship, an artifical barrier created when I am just as fit and probably more fit than the average Lousianna swamp redneck who enlists in the US Navy or Marine Corps.

You claim to be Catholic? OH REALLY? You're probably like those thousands of Pinoy, Italian, Francophone and Hispanic Catholic hypocrites all over the world who just go to Mass, maybe give a few pesos/liras/francs to the collection, then leave and later grudingingly ignore that poor beggar who plants his face on the side of your car window. What hypocrisy!!!!!

You call me "sourgrapes" and "acting like a baby" because you believe in that Social Darwinist theory of the "Survival of the FITTEST", where someone only deserves your respect because of how "tough" is mentally. Social Darwinism=The Strongest deserve everything= the weak are freaks. BULLSHIT! I refuse to agree with that. That is why I am sick of CLIQUES and you SIR and many of the rest of the people who signed onto this thread, are TRYING to remake this forum into YET ANOTHER CLIQUE by trying to ban Kyle Katarno, Rainbow Ranger and Epigone for MERELY being annoying and putting up ignorant posts. Shame on you! Everyone comes to this forum with something to share and something to learn, as long as they are civil and considerate in the way they post.

And you my friend, "THAT THOSE WHO ARE TRULY STRONG DO NOT STEP ON THE WEAK, THEY ARE WILLING TO HELP THE WEAK" . That is the essence of liberal ideology- the same liberals who made a mark on US History like Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and John F.Kennedy and other activists like writer Upton Sinclair, James Webb and hopefully-soon-to-be presidential hopefuls liberals Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Obama.

Yes, you are right. I should be probably be thankful to God that Canada took me in while America did not, because merely living here has opened up me up to how much more Canada is a better society is than America in many ways.

We have virtual universal free health care here in Canada, espoused by such pioneers as Tommy Douglas, while medical bills in the US are high because of a greedy privatized health industry in the US; our taxes may be high, but it's money well spent for a better cause. I'd rather have my tax money spent on trying to save the life of a dying beggar child rather than seeing a rich guy using the same money to buy another H2 Hummer.

Even when the US military was still segregated in World War II with black Americans seperated from their white counterparts in different units, black Canadians were allowed to fly in the same Royal Canadian Air Force units as their white counterparts.

Our liberal politicians believe in fostering trust with other nations, which is why we are known more for diplomacy and for our peacekeeping for the last 50 years. Canadian peacekeeper troops are in places like Sudan, Haiti, Bosnia, the Sinai Peninnsula and Afghanistan.

And what is my point after pointing out all these "good things" about Canada? That I live in a very liberal society with very inclusive and considerate(so inclusive in fact, that the age limit for non-prior service to the Canadian Army Reserve is 56 years age) Although the Canadian conservatives are in power right now, Canada is still very much a liberal society thanks to such idealists such as Prime Ministers Pearson and Pierre Trudeau in the 60s and 70s and early 80s. This society is something the Philippines must emulate, NOT the "Winner take all, Losers deserve nothing" super-capitalist thinking of US conservatives. That is why there are just as much poor in US cities like East Los Angeles and New York as there are in Manila, if not more.

You may just dismiss this as mere tripe, as the usual Pinoy like you probably little more than a public high school diploma usually does when confronted with something as idealistic as this. However, if you have the character or wisdom, you will take this in stride and take what I have to say point for point.

Yes , this is just a forum, and thus that means it is all the more reason for you not to say sadistic comments as make fun of other comments just because you find pleasure in others' failures (which is exactly what you did in mocking my comment). Treat others civilly and they will treat you likewise.

That same goes for you Maldita- and no, I disagree with assement "apples to oranges" since I believe the very word "rejects" (or anything that suggests someone is a freak) brings to mind that conservative, cliquish, Social Darwinist mentality that Barber6 seems to exhibit. I know you didn't mean in offense to anyone in particular, though. I just hate that word.

Thus it is you Barber 6 who needs to get his head or rather his attitude examined by a "shrink" because of the way you think. Don't mock me- I will be a law student here in BC very soon and as an idealist, I intend to make such sadistic conservatives as you see the error of your ways.

As I said before, this thread is just an inquisition and nothing more. I'll only consider and agree that Katarno or Rainbow Ranger should be banned IF any of you GIVE CONCRETE QUOTABLE EXAMPLES they are unruly trolls, but otherwise. I will always stand up for the little guy against those who love stepping on the weak. If you have any DECENCY at all, you will heed what I say and don't mock those who suffered setbacks.

After that lengthy reply of yours, it still shows and proves that you are really sourgraping...sourgraping at the US, the Navy Recruiter, the people who wants Kyle Katarno Banned (oh for the rcord, I am against banning him), etc. You despised the US and the people who does not please you - is that a sign of a true Catholic or Liberal? The more you talk the more people know what your true reasons are. BTW my suggestion to you is to just zip it!


PS Did I tell you that you sounded like those people who are always present during Rallies and Demonstrations in Edsa and Mendiola? Me thinks you are a commie and not a liberal.

Will you please at least try to READ the whole reply instead of making character attacks? The fact that all you do is make demands for me to "zip it" instead of trying to make a reasonable counterrgument only tells me you're INCAPABLE of making one.

And I beg to differ- LIBERALS AND COMMIES ARE VERY DIFFERENT.

Liberals just believe in a democratic society, but with welfare and social "safety nets" for the poor, even though there are high taxes . We believe in effecting change through legislation, not force/violation, which is what Communists do. Liberals could be called socialists (like those in Sweden or Canada or Britain), but they are not the same thing as communists; communists believe in the absolute rule of the a single party which pretends to represent the people but in reality is more of an autocratic, one-party rule. I already went over the rest of my argument above, with such prominent Democrats/Liberals such as US President John F. Kennedy who fought against Communism.

You are wrong in saying I hate the US and its people. How could I despise them when I attended college there and have many friends there?

NO, Barber6, the only thing I hate about the US are the conservative party and its current immigration laws. It is these immigration have made it increasingly hard for immigrants because of the current Republican/Conservative administration (with its paranoid Patriot acts) and the fact that their bias toward big business allows them to turn a blind eye on these corporations hiring illegal immigrants, making it harder for those who tried to do it LEGALLY like me and thus making the line longer.

My capstone class in college was taught by Liberal leaning Jesuit priest named Father Welch. (Look up Loyola Marymount University's Poli Sci Dept) www.lmu.edu

The problem with conservative-thinking people like you is that you don't differentitate between liberals/socialists and communists- they are very different.


I make an argument about being liberal is also the ideology of being considerate and going out of your way to help others; the fact that all can do is call me la tells me of the limit of your rhetorical and argumentative skills.

What Character attack? I never do that...maybe you do?

Do something about it if you are part of that group...don't bark outside the fence! You kept on saying how unfair the US immigration laws are and then would press on that it made your life miserable when you did not make it there. Why would you complain about their laws when you are not even a part of it...well, you tried but you failed so accept it. Plain and simple sourgraping!


Like I said before, would you say this things if you made it in the US? What if Canada didn't either?

Who cares?

Again, who cares?

Calling me a "Commie" when I am not is also a "CHARACTER ATTACK"...

And the plain cynical responses "Who Cares" are not arguments...they are more signs of trying to avoid the argument or question...


Oh well... typical cynical responses and the same avoidance of my argument. Oh well...

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Oh Sorry I didn't know...:wow:

Check were those "who cares" responses are...those are responses to your education which his I don't really care about. You really didn't have to tell the Forum about that, unless you were just bragging about your school which is, IMHO, not an ideal place to study because of it's proximity to the Airport.

Who said they are the same?

Well, lucky for those illegals but not for you...just concentrate on supporting your Liberal Canada and mind your own instead of bashing other groups and leave the problem to the US Border Patrols. As you'ved mentioned earlier Liberals are considerate and they go out their way to help others, then do what a true liberal should do instead of bashing some other Country's Immigration Laws..BTW you might want to start with checking your borders for people that smuggles cigarettes into your side of the fence. Last time I heard those "Liberal" Canadians prefer those stuff over the local ones and since you are a Catholic, why not start a crusade to eliminate prostitution in Ottawa.


Also, you never made any argument nor did I...I just reacted to your ranting and you started sharing how the US Immigration made your life miserable and started campaigning for Liberalism. Peace Bro!

With all due respect to all, this is the perfect example of "FREE SPEECH". Some are content with their station in life, while those who believe they are afflicted will voice out their opinions.

The bottom line is not what you want to become, but "ARE YOU QUALIFIED FOR IT"? The amount of accolades you garner will not always automatically mean you will get it, because it will all boil down to if you have those qualifications they are looking for? So if you're rejected / not accepted, it means you did not meet such. Do yourself a favor and let it go and seek life else where.

In my present skill right now I always face many such clients who just somehow find that question hard to accept.

If they rejected you for whatever reasons you may think there is, then do yourself a favor and march on. Be proud of yourself for it is their loss and not yours. Like the title line from Joe Jackson's song, "You can't get what you want if you don't know what you want"? It is still, their loss and not yours. Mabuhay :thumb:

BTW, so far I don't (and I mean SO FAR) find K.K.'s posting here to be worth banning....YET! But it is good info to know that he has been dealt with such in another forum. Let us all give it some time. Every one is entitled to another chance.

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your advice and your input. Well I guess from your perspective, I could be called sourgraping- I just only selfishly see my situation, as you are probably aware. Still I am just about over it, since I realized the new opportunnities I have here in Vancouver- I only half 2 1/2 years till Canadian citizenship before I can take advantage of those opportunnities. I will try to make the best of those new opportunnities- it's like a 2nd chance!

Peace to all and thanks! :salute:

MSantor

Now, let's get back to the topic of Katarno.

I have been reading the last several posting of the last two pages, and it seems the posts are off topic. The topic here is Kyle Katarno is a forum troll and should be banned as per the starter of the thread.

Since the last several posts have been off-topic and no comments in reference to this Kyle Katarno, then I think this Kyle Katarno SHOULD NOT be banned. After all, he is not even being discussed.

Personally, I think we should make this guy katarno the PDFF mascot. He has a different kind of sense of humor.

And I don't like people just being banned. Perhaps a suspension of 1 week maximum, but that is it.

If you can't tolerate what this Katarno is posting then just disregard it. Are we children that we cannot take a little heated posting from some ? Come on. Banning this guy is the easy way out. It's like a cop who will just take the bribe and not try to bring the person offering the bribe to justice.

I say we make this guy a Mascot especially that funny looking avatar he has. It's like comedy relief.

Dude listen to yourself. Say what you just posted out loud okay.

" ... A communist infiltrator, who wants to cause trouble and confusion ... "

It sounds like President Marcos's administration defending Martial Law. I say do not ban anyone. There's freedom of speech. If you cannot take the heat, you can always leave right ? Forum postings can get heated, and those that cannot answer and gets upset, sad as it may be, cannot argue their points then.

And I think if there is a communist infiltrator amongst the midst here, I am laughing at that infiltrator, because what the hell is he or she going to get out of the Philippines ?

Communism is dead my friends except in China. Communism has proven that it cannot benefit mankind. And China is a communist state thriving on capitalism. And communism in the Philippines does not carry the same weight as it did back then. There are just bandits in the name of communism.

Communism is dead my friends except in China.

You forgot Cuba and N.Korea

Yes. You are correct Sentinel. But communism isn't a problem in those countries are they ? Are you trying to provoke me ? In some way ?

Why did you amend your comment ?

Are you sure they dont have problems with communism? maybe their goverment doesn't, but what about the average Cubans and N.Koreans? do you honestly think that ALL if them want to subjugate theselves to communism?

Stand down Brad. I'am not trying to provoke you or anybody else for that matter. What made you think i was? or are you the kind of person who never likes to be corrected in any way? :nono:

I believe all must take the cue from that.

The Modgroup is trying its best to be fair to anyone. But of course those who deliberately keeps on violating rules must be sanctioned to maintain harmony and normalcy in this forum.

Cheer up, fellows. :armysmile: