Do we have surface to air missiles, if none wht are our army's antiair weapons?

or we have Stinger?

The PAF has a SAM Squadron but as far as I know, we have none. Not even Stinger MANPADS. The only AA weapons we have are the PMC Bofors 40mm AA guns.

The grunts in KIG are supplied with top-of-the-line slingshots (Made in Bulacan) to ward off Chinese air recons :lollol:


darn, im pissed off today :drunk:

There was some talk about acquiring some Mistrals or surplus British Rapiers but it died a natural death. :sad2:

during the 1989 coup, the philippine army received 500 LAWs from the US, after the US turned down a request byDefense Secretary Ramos to bomb rebel armor in manila, the US instead gave 500 LAWs. they have since been passed on to other branches of the AFP. these can be seen on pictures of commando groups such as PN SWAG, Scout Rangers, Light Reaction Company, Marine Force REcon, PNP SAF, and PSG (presidential security command). those not assigned to field troops, are stored securely in variouus camps in the philippines, and for very good reasons. but marines and LRC have been seen with AT-4s. one can only speculate how much they recieved.

in 1990, the AFP asked for bids for MANPADS, and the contenders ended up being US Stingers or French Mistrals. the AFP decided to go for Mistrals because of the Stinger's high failure rate. rightfully so, mistrals are securely stored, with very few having been pictured or noticed where they are even stored.(dont ask me where please.) but forces that have access to mistrals are the PSG (and for good reasons).

the military IS armed with MANPADS, but so are our enemies, who in 1996, became our friends. they are ofcourse the MNLF. in the height of the MNLF rebellion in 1970s, the PAF with its F-86, F-5, AT-28 aircraft meant the life and death to ground forces fighting the MNLF. so the MNLF requested weapons to counter air superiority and the MNLF's ally, Col. Moamar Qaddafi of Libya answered this call by supplying SA-7 MANPADS, to the MNLF. there has been atleast one F-86 that was shot down by these SA-7s. the problem is that the MNLF who signed a peace treaty in 1996, might have given their SA-7s to the MILF or maybe even to the abu sayyaf who could give the PAF a headache as well as a scarier threat if they are used against civilian airliners.

if its true they have mistrals, theyre hiding it

well at least phillipines have no near neighbors so need for many sam :)

What do you think is the best applicable Self Propelled Gun for PA field artillery units?

of course i recomend primus 155mm self propelled howitzer

Design to suit local conditions, the self propelled gun is SAF's most technologically complex product

The SAF unveiled the latest addition to its arsenal - a 155mm artillery gun that move like a tank. Call the Singapore Self Propelled Howitzer 1 (SSPH1) or Primus, the locally developed guns will give the army's combined arms divisions more fire power, speed and accuracy.

This has been achieved by combining the armor and mobility of a tracked vehicle, like a tank, with the firepower of a 155mm gun, the largest calibre artillery piece in the SAF. The decision to develop the Primus was made after a survey of some of the world's best self propelled guns from the United States, Britain, Japan and Russia found them either too heavy or too wide for local terrain, a market survey in 1995 and 1996 and considered the operational guns around the world. They had a lot of fire power, were highly mobile and very survivable but they were also very heavy, mostly around 50 tons, and we need something lighter. The SAF need the Primus to weigh less than 30 tons and be no wider than 3m, for it to move across bridges and through vegetation here.

By April 2000, the first working prototype was rolled out, using a vehicle chassis adapted from the US Army's Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle and M109 chassis. After another three years of testing, the guns were unveiled by Defense Minister. The result, is the creation of arguably the lightest and most responsive self propelled howitzer in its class.

Beneath its tough armor plated exterior is a host of sophisticated on board computers that control navigation and automate the handling of ammunition.

its light and narrow very suitable for asian terrain :thumb:

caesar truck mounted gun

light, fast and powerful

The Philippines has mistrals. Being stored and kept secret for obvious reasons. It might be stolen and go to the wrong hands. Certainly the PSG in Malacanang have some Mistrals. An offshoot of previous coup troubles, wherein the PSG was helpless against prop planes.

when the only anti air missiles are just there to protect the resident of malacañang then then there must be certainly someting wrong with the military

it will be a mistake for the Philippines to purchase shoulder-fired SAMs such as Mistrals and Stingers, especially now that the military establishment itself is ridden with corruption. corrupt soldiers might sell those missiles to elements within the NPA, MILF and Abu Sayyaf. doing so will mean more trouble for the Philippines.

the Philippines will be better off purchasing systems such as:

* Rapier



* Hawk



* S300V

you know what israeli, i think you are a frustrated soldier wannabe who cannot enter the israeli military because of disability, in my opinion you are arrogant and ignorant of philippine military affairs

This will be my only warning: personal attacks are not tolerated here. Be civil. You may disagree with another person's views or opinions, but that does not give you the right to make personal attacks. Otherwise, I will delete your posts.

And in defense of israeli, that is only his 'handle' here. He is as Pinoy as you and me. His only fault is that he is a dreamer. Nothing wrong with really. Just remember to wake up sometimes.

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:bounce: I'm in complete agreement with israeli, those Hawks and Rapiers will be denied by the NePs and AS if offered to them by military middlemen - too bulky to transport and hide. :D

I agree with Asungot (nice handle by the way ;) ), the Caesar is basically a towed gun with its own ride - fast and light enough for Philippine roads and bridges and packs 155mm power.

Big tango for holding the fort bro Aldon very well - just been very busy lately with work, kids and community team coaching.

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:o are you sure sir israeli those last picture are anti aircraft missiles? they are very big..

but isn't that vulnerable to ambush by RPG of enemy MILL or NPA?

those are air defense missiles... :D

fyi friend seventeen - :)

The S-300V (SA-12) low-to-high Altitude, tactical surface to air missile system also has anti-ballistic missile capabilities. The HQ-18 reportedly the designation of a Chinese copy of the Russian S300V, though the details of this program remain rather conjectural. In early 1996 Russia astounded the United States Army by marketing the Russian SA-12 surface-to-air missile system in the UAE in direct competition with the United States Army's Patriot system. Rosvooruzheniye offered the UAE the highest-quality Russian strategic air defense system, the SA-12 Gladiator, as an alternative to the Patriot at half the cost. The offer also included forgiveness of some of Russia's debt to the UAE.

The S-300V consists of:

* 9M82 SA-12b GIANT missile
* 9M83 SA-12a GLADIATOR missile
* 9A82 SA-12b GIANT TELAR
* 9A93 SA-12a GLADIATOR TELAR
* 9A84 GIANT Launcher/Loader Vehicle (LLV)
* 9A85 GLADIATOR Launcher/Loader Vehicle (LLV)
* 9S15 BILL BOARD Surveillance Radar system
* 9S19 HIGH SCREEN Sector Radar system
* 9S32 GRILL PAN Guidance Radar system
* 9S457 Command Station

learn more here

but i think this is not yet applicable for philippines use :)

its just a truck so its easily penetrated by rpg rounds whereas the primus have armour and secondary weapons for defence purpose :banana:

:D I thought for a moment that photograph of the Caesar was taken in a coconut plantation somewhere in Mindanao while enroute to a forward fire base. :bounce:

yeah those look like coconut trees :)

does indenesia or malaysia have caesars?

sorry bro aldon but that guy is so arrogant sometimes even there in opus forum and here too...we have a word to describe his attitude in Cebuano - hambogero kaayo!

Actually, that is a picture of a Malaysian Caesar. Nice ideas, these truck-mounted howitzers. Kind of a cheap SPH. Makes me wonder if we can do the same thing. Mount our 105mm howitzers into the backs of those chop-chop 8x8 Isuzu trucks, and presto! A cheap, home-grown SPH. :bounce:

The Malaysians have Caesars :sad: And they don't even have an insurgency.

The Patriot's cheap alternative - how effective compared to the Patriot israeli?

How about this?

Stinger Humvee


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watz that windshield lookin thing at the back

:unsure:

they might use it against their neighbors to the north and to the south! oooopppsss! :unsure:

ha ha ha bro israeli don't you know the singaporeans are very sensitive about malaysians going south? ;)

Nice to see you all here. I WILL RECOMMEND THIS SITE TO THE AFP officers and ENLISTED PERSONNEL that I know of because of what you said Aldon. WE NEED A SITE THAT RESPECTS EVERYONE's view.. Mind you, I have connections not just in the AFP but also in the police , media, senate and congress and we love sites that respect one's right to speak FREELY.

wow a poster with three handles! :D

:D
malaysians always welcome to go south in singapore as long as they leave their guns behind and come just to shop at mall and tourists

Tor-M1 Short-range Air Defense Missile System

A high degree of battle performance automation, unique algorithms and introduction of artificial intellect elements into the system make it possible to detect targets and then switch to autotracking of the two most dangerous threats practically without the participation of operators. The combat vehicles of the Tor-M1 system can detect targets from 0 to 64 degrees, while the firing channels of each combat vehicle can engage targets from 0 to 70 degrees in elevation and even up to 90 degrees in case of diving PGWs.

Tor-M1, has no counterparts in other countries. According to Russian experts, this system can best meet the requirements of Gulf states. Above all, the Tor-M1 is intended to combat high-precision attack weapons which, should hostilities begin in the region, will most likely be used to destroy oil industry facilities. Tor is indispensable against cruise missiles, guided aerial bombs and low-flying terrain-following fire support helicopters.

Tor detects targets at a distance of 25 kilometers and kills them at a distance of 12 kilometers. In combating manned aviation, Tor is thrice and 1.5 times more efficient than foreign systems of the same class - France's Crotale and Britain's Rapier, respectively. These systems are unable to combat high-precision weapons.

Let's make one. :bounce:

the philippines dont need big guns at the moment, the 105s ta will do as long as there are enough of them, add in some mortars and lmgs and the maneuver coys will be a-ok

Why not?

The Caesar for example has a range of 42 km and can be transported by Hercules which makes it highly deployable from main base to airstrip to FOB.

And with its 42-km range, think how just useful and effective this weapon is in the hands of the PA.