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Title: Dardo vs Warrior
Description: which is best for the Phil. Army?


Zero wing - March 15, 2007 02:18 PM (GMT)
Since Phil terrian is more on soil and easy cross lakes and rivers what of this IFV is for the Phili Army the british Warrior or the Italian Army's Dardo which do u think is the best for the Army's Light tank battalion ???

akimima - March 15, 2007 04:55 PM (GMT)
Both are rather similar but again the question here is the cost of purchasing and maintaining these.

Currently the AFP does not have enough budget to get these. They may be in the range of the M2 Bradley in terms of cost. If the AFP were to spend this much might as well invest in the Kalakian project and maybe improve or reverse engineer current M113's to a comparable or similar fighting capabilities of their western counterparts.

If this is not possible, acquiring similar hardware from neighboring asian countries like Singapore, South Korean, etc will do the job and save money. Again economy is the thing right now as RP does not have the luxury of dollar reserves...maybe in the future.

akimima - March 15, 2007 08:10 PM (GMT)
The FV510 Warrior tracked vehicle family, are a series of British armoured vehicles originally developed to replace the older FV430 series of armoured vehicles. The Warrior started life in the MCV-80 project that was first approached in the 1970s, GKN Sankey won the production contract in 1980. GKN Sankey is now a part of BAE Systems Land and Armaments.

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Description
The Warrior incorporates several design features in keeping with UK battlefield experience.

Passenger access is through a small hydraulically powered door at the rear of the hull, rather than a drop-down ramp as in the American M113 and M2 Bradley APCs. There are no firing ports in the hull, in line with British thinking that the role of the APC/IFV is to carry troops under protection to the objective and then give firepower support when they have disembarked. Another reason is that ability of the average soldier to fire accurately out of the ports of a moving IFV has been questioned.

Warrior Section Vehicles are able to carry and support 7 fully equipped soldiers together with supplies and weapons including a number of anti-tank weapons for a 48-hour battlefield day in nuclear/biological/chemical conditions. The protection against small arms, missiles, RPGs and anti-tank mines was proven during the UN operations in Bosnia. Additional (applique) armour can be fitted.

Warrior is driven by a Perkins-Rolls-Royce V8 Condor engine through an automatic gearbox. It is capable of a road speed of 46 mph (75 kmh). The fully rotating turret carries a 7.62 mm calibre chain gun alongside the 30 mm cannon. Thales Optronics STAG thermal imaging sights are being added to upgrade the night fighting capability as part of the BGTI (Battle Group Thermal Imaging) program.


Combat history
Operation Granby (Gulf War)
United Nations duties in Bosnia with the UNPROFOR
Operation Telic (2003 invasion of Iraq)

Operators
British Army — 789 received between 1987 and 1995.
Kuwati Land Forces — 254 Desert Warriors received.

Variants

Warrior-family armoured command vehicle.
FV510 Infantry Section Vehicle
Armament Fitted to the two-man turret is a L21A1 30 mm RARDEN cannon and L94A1 EX-34 7.62 mm Hughes Helicopter coaxial chain gun. The cannon is capable of destroying most modern APCs at a maximum range of 1,500 m.

Protection The vehicle is NBC proof, fitted with passive (upgraded to active in most vehicles) night vision and defensive grenade launchers (usually used with Visual and Infrared Screening Smoke - VIRSS).


MILAN Anti-Tank Guided Weapon Carrier
For use with troops equipped with the MILAN A

FV511 Infantry Command Vehicle

FV512 Mechanised Combat Repair Vehicle
operated by REME

FV513 Mechanised Recovery Vehicle (Repair)
operated by REME

FV 514 Mechanised Artillery Observation Vehicle
The FV 514 is operated by the Royal Artillery as an Artillery Observation Post Vehicle (OPV) and is fitted with mast-mounted Man-packable Surveillance and Target Acquisition Radar (MSTAR) and Position and Azimuth Determining System (PADS) with Image Intensifying and Infra Red equipment. The only armament is the 7.62 mm machine gun as the 30 mm Rarden cannon is replaced with a dummy weapon. This allows space for the targeting and surveillance equipment while still keeping largely the same outward appearance of a standard Warrior though it has 4 antennae which does distinguish it from the standard Warrior.


FV 515 Battery Command Vehicle
operated by Royal Artillery

Reconnaissance Vehicle
Additional armoured protection against conventional and chemical attack. Armour shielding covers the front, sides and the suspension of the vehicle. The Warrior Reconnaissance vehicle is normally operated by a crew of three, the driver, commander and the gunner and can carry a reconnaissance officer and additional surveillance equipment.


Desert Warrior
Warrior vehicles adapted for operations in hostile desert conditions.

The Desert Warrior is also fitted with the same turret used by the LAV-25 wheeled IFV.

In 1993, Kuwait purchased 254 Desert Warrior vehicles fitted with Delco turrets, stabilised M242 25 mm chain gun with coaxial 7.62 mm chain gun and 2 x Hughes TOW ATGM launchers (one mounted on each side).


Warrior 2000
A new version developed for the Swiss Army. Did not enter production.

All-welded aluminium hull
Increased armour
Digital fire control system
More powerful engine
Delco or Land Systems Hagglunds E30 turret with ATK Bushmaster II Mk 44 30 mm cannon.

Warrior Upgrade programme
As part of the Warrior Mid-Life Improvement Programme (2006-2012), the British Army is upgrading its Warriors to extend their service life to 2025. The upgrade includes

Addition of a night fighting capability
Bowman Communications System
New turret with a 30 mm or 40 mm cannon
Digital Fire control System
Improved power pack
A turret demonstrator has been developed by CTA International, a joint venture formed by BAE Systems and Giat Industries. A contract was awarded in June 2004 for the delivery of one Warrior vehicle fitted with the turret by December 2006, for the British Army's Manned Turret Integration Programme (MTIP). Although the MoD has part funded this work the Department will be embarking on a full competition to select the most suitable turret system. 350 vehicles are to be fitted with BGTI by 2007. 70 have been completed.


The Dardo is the new Infantry Fighting Vehicle of the Italian Army. Out of a total requirement of 500, 200 have been delivered so far, by “Consorzio Iveco Fiat - Oto Melara”, which designed and manufactures the Dardo.

The Dardo is equipped with a 25 mm gun turret, a 7.62 mm machine gun and two TOW anti-tank missile launchers. It weighs 23.4 tons and carries up to 9 soldiers: the driver and commander plus 7 troops. Variants like a mortar carrier or a tank hunter are being considered.


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Weight: 23.4 t
Crew: 2 + 7 fully equipped soldiers
Armament: 25 mm cannon, 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun, 2 TOW launchers
Protection: ballistic and NBC
Engine: turbodiesel with 512 hp (382.2 kW)
max. speed: 70 km/h



Zero wing - March 16, 2007 03:10 PM (GMT)
but i think the Dardo is better looking at it its a good anti tank and a beeter anti insugetncy paltform then our recent collection of tanks that we don't use since we 1 can't buy parts 2 old age 3 because we don't have money to update them 4 we don't have like u said comrade akimima money but if looking at it u can say that its a multi task machine if their comes a time we are attack by other state will at least have a fighting chance because of the anti tank weapons on it for counter insurgentcies it can have demorolaizing if i spell it right effect on the enemy it looks like a light tank at first !! and anyway the enemy is not going to think of what kind of tank his fighting but how to kill it right?? so i think the dardo IFV is a best chonce for an army like ours multi task or multi role equpment not just for the army but for the Armed forces as a whole

akimima - March 16, 2007 04:17 PM (GMT)
The warrior I think is better than the Dardo since it already had combat experience. The DArdo needs to be seen in combat to fully visualize its capabilities. With further improvment on its side armor and maybe upgun its main armament the Warrior will be a class of its own.

israeli - March 16, 2007 05:26 PM (GMT)
i will still stick to the ever-reliable M113. :armywink:

Zero wing - March 17, 2007 07:53 AM (GMT)
Well since its still in use today but for multi use the Dardo is the best chonce :patrioticpinoy:




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