Take a look a this!

Armor Level : Equivalent to Simba APC
Mobility : Equivalent to Humvee (with shorter turning radius), 4X4
Maintenance : Commercially available parts, low cost (no foreign dependence on parts)
Design & Manufacture : 100% Filippino (same guys who made the kalakian) :patrioticpinoy:
Cost : 1/3 compared to imported :specool:


Brake test @100kph

Nice one! :thumb:

What are the other details? Engine make? Capacity? Does it have an amphibious version for our marines? Other variants?

Looks good for our troops on U.N. Peacekeeping missions! No need to cannibalized delapidated vehicles like what they did in Timor.

Hummer Copycats

wow that si taste.....
can you give us more details? and how much does that baby cost?
:thumb:

looks like it has a V shape configuration.
more picture please :specool:

Engine : Mitsubishi 130hp Diesel
Top speed : 100-120 kph
Armor : Resistant to 7.62mm, and .50 caliber (depending on angle)
Hull : Monocoque
Power to weight ratio : 30:1 minimum (w/ full combat weight)
Personnel : 4 (including driver & gunner)
Main armament : 7.62mm (current version)

Future configurations will be water-resistant versions, double .5 caliber versions, armored troop carrier, TOW version. It all depends on the needs & budget of the military.

No word on the price yet. but i think its just a little expensive than a non-armored humvee.

Main duty will be as escort vehicle for our troops on 6x6.

Maintenance cost will only be like maintaining a delivery truck. This baby will save us a lot of money in the long run.

Will upload more photos when available.

Sgt Bilko,

Great info! Has the local manufacturer given a name for it yet? That money that the AFP spent for procuring a Turkish made ARV that cost P55mil (just for one piece) can more or less produce at least 10-12 of these! If any AFP personnel is reading this make sure it reaches the top brass. If this project as well as the Kalakian is given full government support then beating the rebels by 2010 is possible now.

:specool:

Got any pictures of the sides and rear?

it is good to know that the AFP is finally giving enough attention to R&D activities. :thumb:

But this vehicle can't perform the job of the Turkish ARV. :armywink:

Experience in the MILF campaign of 2000 showed that the Army needed recovery vehicles. Let compare apples to apples . . . no to oranges.

Peace.

sorry for the stupid question...

could the Turkish-made AIFV-based ARV service wheeled armored vehicles such as the V-150, V-300, Simba and this one that is being featured in this thread? :dunno:

Sir Adroth,

I know about your 2000 campaign in Mindanao and the need for the ARV's. I am not comparing the ARV's from this thread's vehicle topic. I know what an ARV is and what its capable of but what I am trying to reiterate here is that the P55 mil used to purchase 1 just 1 ARV is simply ridiculous! You can buy 1 or 2 of that from an Asian supplier say Singapore, Taiwan, etc to name a few ( same capabilities from that Turkish supplier) and still have some money left to buy or develop this new vehicle that Sgt Bilko is presenting. I am not comparing apples from oranges here, its the questionable and eye brow raising manner the AFP buys their gadgets and other hardwares that perplexes me.

Let us just get back to the topic....okay?

Great-looking Pinoy ride!!!


:specool: :patrioticpinoy:

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sherman tank is not the best tank in world war II but it was used during the six day war by israel and won. one feature of the tank is that it is very adaptable. since we use our armor asset as a platform for fire support does the new vehicle have the adaptability of accomodating all sort of armaments? this armored vehicles can provide us the mobility and some protection however if we put some high caliber armament from guns to missile, I believe this will give the vehicle a big punching power. With the ubiquitous sparepart available, we can afford to operate mass number of this vehicle thereby giving our armed forces a truely mechanized army.
For short does the manufacturer makes the vehicle versatile in terms of weapon carrying capacity?

Please read 'The Philippine Star' front page, March 17, 2007.

Akimima is correct, you could buy 10 units of these for the cost of P55M.
I believe it is named MX-8 prototype, but they haven't formally given it a name yet.

I think the purchase of the ARV is good for support, but the NBC system which makes it that expensive is not needed for our troops. Who will the ARV recover when it cannot go out of the vehicle to recover the vehicle incase of the NBC attack? (the turret isn't even NBC protected) we don't even have NBC protection for our troops and other vehicles. (please correct me if i am mistaken)

I think some of the simba can be adapted with hydraulic booms to make a low cost alternative for a ARV, since its load capacity can carry replacement engines & transmission on its troop bay, and it could easily pull a broken APC out of harms way. that's just my opinion though.

can anyone please scan or provide the link of the philippine stararticle. thanks

Its a good start. I hope this will be sustained.


Welcome to PDFF sgt. bilko

:armycheers:

The AFP could well approve this, its cheaper than the Kalakian and better than the Hummer.

Why the MX-8 name, quite a long jump from Kalakian MX-1?

Should be given a truly indigenous name, like Barako...he he he.

Its featured in the Phil. Star alright.

Frontpage photo, story on Page 8.

No name mentioned in the article, just prototype armored vehicle developed by the PA Research and Development and Steelcraft under the SRDP, cost is P6 million a copy.

The article described it as "as cheaper but more powerful than the Simba"

Its about time for this to come out. :ssalute:

good news! more pics please sgtbilko :bow: :bow:

the Philippine Star article:

Army developing prototype armored escort vehicle
By James Mananghaya
The Philippine Star 03/17/2007

A bantam armored military vehicle smaller than the US made-Humvee and tougher than the British-made Simba tank is being developed by the Philippine Army.

Army Capt. Dennis Caña of the Army’s research and development branch, said the all-terrain military vehicle would have a higher maneuverability than an ordinary armored vehicle because of its small size.

"It can go where a Humvee can go," he told The STAR. "It’s small but is even tougher than a Simba."

The prototype packs a lot of power and could be used for armor support to troops in harsh terrain like marshlands, he added.

Caña said that the development of the prototype started in 2005 and was carried out under the Self Reliant Defense Posture Law.

It would be very feasible for the Armed Forces as it would cost less to operate and maintain, he added.

The prototype could be fitted with a .50 caliber machine gun or a Gatling gun, and could even be eventually mounted with rocket launchers, Caña said.

Engineer Finzen Yu, whose family owns Steelcraft, which manufactured the prototype, told The STAR following a test drive that the armed vehicle consumes less fuel and is easy to maintain.

"You can buy spare parts from any auto supply store," he said. "Tune up and change oil would cost around P2,500, compared to the Simba."

The prototype military vehicle would cost only some P6 million, which is more than 80 percent of the price of the British made Simba armored personnel carrier, Yu said.

Steelcraft was the Filipino company that made the prototype of the "Kalakian," another armored vehicle named after the male water buffalo. This never rolled into production.

The project was the brainchild of Army chief Lt. Gen. Romeo Tolentino, who has also introduced some modifications to the US M16 assault rifle.

I believe this has more chances of going into mass production the Kalakian because of its practicality and lower production cost. :thumb:

RCWS turrets, Kornet, TOW in the future, wish wish...

Duminus is right, this is a good start should be sustained and not follow the demise of the Kalakian.


Army finally caught up with the Marines 'sariling sikap' eh . :ssalute:

:ssalute: Bravo Army R&D

Ayoss :thumb:

MX-8 Barako

I'll try to get more photos, the unit will be displayed in the coming Philippine Army Day Celebration. Afterwhich, more modifications will be done to the unit to meet the military's stringent requirements.

it's got a 3-pane windshield?

Well it looks good but i think without support it just like other filipino creation end up sitting somewhere out their :headbang:

what is good about this project is that it is 100 percent Pinoy except, maybe, for the engine, which is made in Japan. i am very optimistic about this because the AFP finally recognized and tapped Pinoy talent for its defense needs. this might be the start of a self-reliant defense program for the AFP, which is good in the long run because such projects will prevent our money from going out of the country and we will be able to create jobs should the full-blown production of the said vehicle (and other locally-designed weapons and equipment) commences.

i am also trying to imagine the prospects of us selling this locally-designed vehicle to potential foreign customers. just imagine some countries taking orders for this vehicle. :thumb:

SgtBilko, may i borrow this? i am just so excited to have this posted in the other forum for other military enthusiasts to enjoy. :armysmile:

This is what we've all been waiting! :thumb:

Good job, Army!

I hope the govt will give it a chance to prove itself.

We may even hit the export market once this one succeed here.

hurrah!!!! to sgt bilko :bow:

Man this is exciting. Hope they get this version for our Marines!

I think exporting this vehicle will be no problem, but our military has to buy this armored vehicle first.

Think of it this way... Who would buy anything from you if your own country doesn't even use what you sell? (excluding the Philippines for the Simba purchase :headbang: )

Lets hope that the AFP gives Steelcraft a good chance at this to get a large-scale defense industry started here in the Philippines. They've been at this for more than 2 decades now, i think its about time the AFP gives them a fighting chance.

but since its so new it does even have a name yet and i must say its not all filipino its runing on a japan made engine and we can't ask them the guys who made it to build even the engine so its just 99% filipino but anyway what is it ??? it looks like a APC what role is it for like a humvee ??? :headbang:

Yes, indeed.

When the AFP purchase this piece of equipment, the manufacturer can use this as a leverage in selling this to the worl market.

The government should really consider the business opportunity that Filipinos can get through the military's modernization program.

ya ur right if we can get this done we can have our allieds to buy we can develop our defense Industry

Sgt Bilko,

You have put it so nicely. I also believe that the AFP should give Steelcraft a chance to show what its got. If this vehicle proves to be what its suppose to do, then it could also be an antidote to revive the mothballed Kalakian project. Speaking of names, since this machine is smaller and faster than the Kalakian why not call this Harabas! If I am not mistaken, this is a small carabao like animal that lives in the wild. Its very nimble but hardy. I know this name was already used by a local car manufacturer back in the late 1970's and early 1980's but folded up after a few years of production, but I think the name fits this well. What do you think?

Here's some low resolution cellphone pics i was able to get. current prototype has a 135hp engine (33:1 power to weight ratio), future production i believe will use a whooping 145hp turbo-charged engine, giving a 35-36:1 power to weight ratio.

Why overpowered you might ask? the advantage of being a Filipino manufacturer is that you think like a Filipino. Even if designed for 4 personnel only, the manufacturer designed the capacity for 6 persons , 3 sacks of rice and full ammunitions load. to fit the Filipino thinking of 'if we can put more thing inside, WHY NOT?' :exactly:

It even has 2 jerrycans, 2 small compartments on the side and a trunk. the fuel tank is separated from the Interior for maximum personnel protection.
Why put a trunk on a Armored vehicle? have you seen military personnel use the V-150 just to go buy stuff at the wet market? :wow: This is really a multi-purpose vehicle built for the Filipino military.






Driver has 3 windshield (left, center and middle right) for max. visibility, and the passenger has 1 large windhield.

awesome piece of hardware sgtbilko. it is beautiful.
lalong popogi ang AFP dyan sa baby na yan. :thumb:

Ya man its so sweet but what armaments does it has on it and by that way were did u get the PIcs man ??

take off the turret and put this on

Trident Strike HMG
Type: Automated HMG
Barrel length:
Bore diameter: 12.7 mm
Weight:
Range:
Rate of fire:
Elevation:
Muzzle velocity:
Ammunition:
Gunfire Control System:
Rangefinder: Electro-optical
Night gun sight:
Program: Developed jointly by the Navy Reserve Force Division and the Mapua Institute of Technology engineering students as an automated gunboat mounted machine-gun in 2006. The gun is fired remotely below deck by gunners. Prototype still currently undergoing testing.

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=3366&st=15

1/3 of imported cost. But will save us 9/10s in case of an urban offensive. Wala. They're stucked to the countryside. With these hundreds of new indigenous armored vehicles which we can easily mass produce, they're crazy if they mount an urban offensive or raid Congress and kidnap Congressmen which Sison proposed to the late Kintanar. We're half a million strong, boys. Walang kakaba-kaba. Sleep well and tight!