Is this another prototype of the Phil Army Armored Escort Vehicle?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070...P394qVhXr7ljg--

Hehehe. What if they were met in this colors




BTW, I didn't know we have those.

isn't this the new scout vehicle that the AFP wants to procure for the Army?

Hi. Just confirmed the info. That is also another prototype of Steelcraft. The MX-7 (I call it the Gagamba) :aberet:

Its a modified version of the British Daimler Ferret, Its a dieselized version, with modified drivetrain with 5-speed preselected transmission and upgraded windshields. Its a 2-man vehicle.

It is very small yet agile. Its main design is for scout and reconnaisance, not for escort. Its still under testing, initial cost is lower than the MX8 but maintenance cost is higher since the parts are not commercially available.

Don't worry guys. This is baby is a Mistisa. 50% Filipino blood & 50% british. :specool:

A prototype and already put into used :wow:

BTW, if the AFP doesn't buy this, can civies own one? :specool:

The best way to test a prototype is to use it. :armygrin:

In the UK, these are street legal. I think you can drive one here in Manila, just remove the turret. And you don't have to worry about MMDA's stopping you. HAHAHA :pistols:

Won't we have problems with the Brits?

How about another category as needed by the Military, the light trucks?

The Casspirs has stop production.

Another that comes to mind is the German Mungo.



http://www.kmweg.de/frame.php?page=32

Elf and Canter trucks could be likely host units.

it is really nice to know that we are already exploring the possibility of building our own version of the German Wiesel, although the vehicle will be based on the British Ferret.

two thumbs up for the MX-7, Steelcraft and the Philippine Army R&D people! :thumb: :thumb:

Sgt Bilko,

Magandang mistisa ito ah! And rightfully coined by you as Gagamba because if you look at it ...well it does look like a spider on wheels especially with those headlights that look like a pair of spider eyes (although they have 8 or more).

So how many prototypes are being used by the AFP right now? This is really exciting!!! Like all the others here in the forum, I feel very excited about the prototypes that Steelcraft is churning out but also feel a bit apprehensive as most of us fear that "crocodile" men in uniform might go for P20-25 mil foreign counterparts and get their customary kickbacks. If some of them are reading this forum, my message to them is:

"Have a little patriotism and conscience when evaluating this vehicle, the MX-8 and the mothballed Kalakian. Patronizing locally made products not only saves the AFP and the RP government millions of dollars but also generates jobs for many fellow countrymen who are just wasting their time as "standbys" in many streets in the country. Think of it carefully as you will help a lot of people in need of work and money to survive.

I believe that these products are more than appropriate for the current needs of the AFP. Patronizing them will not only make them better, but also generate more variants, produce APC's, IFVs, tanks, etc and most importantly a possible export - money generating business.

Again have a little patriotism and conscience before making any selfish decisions."


:salute:

sgt bilko can you give us some pics of this new toys, please.
looks like the gatling tank in yuri's revenge.

Hi Pilok2007!

Hope you like it. :patrioticpinoy:

sgtbilko. I didnt Steelcraft has a lot of surprises for us.

:bow:

more pics and details please..and Gagamba is very appropriate, same with the Barako.

If the Gagamba is the MX-7, the MX-8 is the Barako and the Kalakian is the MX-1...

then there must be an MX-2, MX-3, MX-4, MX-5 and MX-6.

:armygrin:

could be used as a heavy weapons platform for the infantry...can it carry 25mm or even 40mm rapid fire guns? can it also be fitted with AGL similar to that installed in the Kalakian? would be also a good armored platform for our airborne units....i think it can be transported by our C-130s.

Parang Mazda cars ah....the MX-5 is the Miata right? :brrt:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/22/...nist-Rebels.php

200 of these Gagambas and Barakos?

Wow man, steelcraft is rocking. :thumb:

Close up of the Gagamba:

whaahhh I can't see the pics :armysad:

Its a Ferret clone alright.

http://www.military-vehicle.net/mark2_3.htm









I love to have one! :specool:

its not a clone, i think its more of a "reconditioned" ferret....

Variants of the Ferret:



Ferret Mk 2/6 with Vigilant Missile System



Ferret Mk 5 with Swingfire Missile System



And it swims, Ferret Mark 4 "Big Wheel" Armored Car

Does anybody here know how STEELCRAFT got hold of that Ferret? was it donated to the AFP and they are modifying it? how many units? is it the one being reffered to by the reporter who said that Esperon presented to journalist? "200 locally assembled army jeeps and ARMORED VEHICLES that will be used aginst insurgents"

Hi Sentinel.

I think Steelcraft purchased and modified the Ferret themselves.

from the '200 vehicles' mentioned, most probably, 198 are locally-made jeeps and 2 are locally manufactured armored vehicles. :dunno:

The ferret was succeeded by the British Fox, however, it did not sell as much as the Ferret did. Steelcraft supplied 1 unit to the AFP for testing and evaluation.

So they just refurbished the Ferrets and changed the engines into diesel fed. Maybe we could apply them with our Scorpions too? If that would be possible we could then activate our inventory and eventually increase the numbers due to surplus units available.

Hello Saver111.

The scorpion can be dieselized. it was already suggested by them. however, i believe this was not a priority by the AFP since the Scorpion is not suited for our local insurgency. The vehicle is too heavy, too slow and the gun is too big and its too hard to transport these vehicles.

From an engineering point of few, changing from Gas to Diesel engine, using the same drivetrain, from British to Japanese. is in itself an engineering nightmare.
Diesel are low speed engines, while gas are high-speed engines, gear ratios will not match and will have to be converted to get the proper speeds.

More than half of the original parts of the ferret were scrapped in order to accomodate the new japanese turbo-charged diesel engine.

Quoting you from the other thread

With this attempt to introduce the Ferret, which is a wheeled vehicle, the Saladin also comes into mind

i don't believe it can handle the 40mm AGL... it would be too heavy.

so the 25mm will automatically be out also...

as to being used by the infantry, it had better be able to where the the infantry goes... wouldn't it be better if it had tracks instead?

an additional comment: it may have been designed for reconnaissance...

however

actual use = escort vehicle

Why cant it carry a 40mm AGL, while if you see the other pictures, it can even carry 2 Swingfire missiles in a modified turret? But since it is a 2-man armored vehicle, it would be very difficult to man the exterior-mounted AGL....

25mm? i guess it can...

speaking of old British armored vehicles, why not a remanufactured Saracen and Saladin? They are as old as the Ferrets, and are used by a dozen Commonwealth countries as well....

anymore photos of this MX-7 Gagamba? Thanks.

I am just entertaining my curiousity. guys if we have a body armor suit sophisticated enough to function like a robot like those seen in computer games for our soldier isn't it magnifescent? however nobody in this world have that technology yet.
I have a fantasy, why not use these gagamba as a proxy? imagine
human + gun= mobility 3-5km/hr, gun effective range 300 yards
human + RPG= mobility 3-5km/hr, effective range 50 meter
2 human + gagamba + 50 cal= 100km/hr mobility+ shield against most small arms fire and a lethality of a 0.50 cal machinegun

the 1st two is not a good offensive weapon, but the later one with the gagamba, wow blitzkrieg!!! remember the operation against the NPA in bulacan wherein the combined forces of the government was pinned down by a lone sniper armed with M-14 rifle? if the army have this gagamba, it will function both as infantry and armor at the same time. they could overrun the enemy position before the enemy can draw a frontline. that's blitzkrieg for short.

this small AV can also behave like tanks,. the PA army can use these to learn more about tank technique and could come up with an strategy to use it and to counter it. just in case we will be needing that if we are invaded.

IMHO, the concept of this gagamba being an armorized infantry should be carefully studied by the army. the way we use our armor today for coin is just as a defensive weapon. once there is an enemy encounter, the troops has to dismount from the vehicle. and the vehicle will serve as a platform for fire support. one draw back with this technique is that with the highly mobile guerilla warfare, it would be expected that the enemy will get away whenever they wish to disengage. ineveitably the armored vehicle will be tied up with the slow moving infantry hence it can not use it's speed asset to run after the retreating enemy forces. just my 2 cents.

for short this gagamba can be use as an armored infantry that behave like an infantry but protects and move like an armor.

depending on the terrain I think this is a viable strategy.

talking about what this gagamba can carry?
please watch this video linked and you'll be amazed. watch from 1:06 to 1:16

http://youtube.com/watch?v=T0olDLDt94E&mode=related&search=

it can actually carry a big gun!!! curahee!!!

Cool! My namesake...wahehee

Ooorah Steelcraft!

The paint job is a bit drab - why not paint it in Urban Camo?

Hi Sarge,

Steelcraft purchased the Ferret from what Country? how many units did they get? Did they have special permits for that? were the ferrets in running condition? are they planning to reverse engineer that ferret? sorry for asking too many question Sarge!

Sorry Sentinel, that question i am not able to answer. However, everything was legal, of course.

My inside friend is getting quite irritated with me calling him up everynight. hehehe but i'll do my best to pass around as much info as i can get. :armygrin:

sorry, sirs, but my belief was wrong. at around 30 kilos, i guess the "gagamba" can "carry" the 40mm AGL.

the 25mm is still up for debate, though...

can anybody put up the weights of these respective weapons systems?
(and don't forget the weight of the ammo)

why not a flame thrower with a 7.62mm mg???

This version will be nice to use to storm rebel camps, and highways being controlled by rebels [like in ht ecase with Narsiso high way, in Mindanao].

It would charge rebel positions and use the flame thrower and the other version armed with 0.50 cal will also attack with infantry.

Modern scout vehicle:



KADDB Stallion of Jordan which is based on the Ferret :thumb:

KADDB and Joint Venture Companies Exhibit at IDEX 2007

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Amman, Feb. 11 (Petra)-- The King Abdullah II Design and Development Bureau and eight of its Joint Venture Companies have recently announced their participation at the International Defense Exhibition (IDEX 2007) to be held in Abu Dhabi from 18th to 22nd February, with a booth of 345 m2.

KADDB’s participation at IDEX 2007 is the fourth of its kind, after the first participation in 2001, then in 2003 and 2005.

KADDB’s participation includes an upgraded M60 Tank as well as The Stallion, which is a scout vehicle based on the Ferret.

KADDB companies participating at IDEX 2007 include Jordan Light Vehicle Manufacturing (JLVM) who will be exhibiting an Armoured Toyota 105 Land Cruiser and The Fox (Al Thalab); CLS Jordan with both the Auxiliary Power Unit for the Al Hussein Main Battle Tank and the Driver Instrument Panel for the Al Hussein; and NP Aerospace Jordan who are exhibiting a wide range of ballistic helmets, body armours, and ballistic plates.

The Jordanian Company for Manufacturing Specialised Boots will be displaying a wide range of heavy duty boots; the Jordan Russian Electronic Systems Company (JRESCo) is exhibiting a model of “Hashem”, the RPG 32; and the King Abdullah II Special Operations Training Centre will be showing models of the facilities currently under construction. Jordan Electronic Logistics Support (JELS) is also exhibiting under KADDB’s name in addition to Jordan Boats who are exhibiting a model for a boat. Finally, Middle East Defence Systems (MDS) is launching two new vehicles at the exhibition.

KADDB considers their participation at IDEX 2007 an opportunity to have a wide exposure to decision makers and key players in the industry, in addition to following up on previous talks, and maintaining good relationships with its contacts.

http://www.petra.gov.jo/nepras/2007/Feb/11/25000.htm

in my own opinion, a flame thrower is simply not a practical weapon to b used againt the NPAs & MIs anymore, and mostly its an environmentally unfriendly. not unless if it has to be used in an open area away from the philippine jungle & forests, or directly targeting an stationary pillbox/bunker or any similar buildings, but we dont really fight that too closely because by that time their either dead or running away already.

lastly, fuel prices these days are not really friendly. :aberet:

From Israel, looks easy to make and design by our own.