Compare to price of Simba (P 30,000,000)

---a few samples:

Wiesel 2: $780,000 or P 37,440,000.00


Mowag Eagle IV: $447,059 or P 21,458,832.00


Pandur: $555,000 or P 26,666,640.00


more here

The Pandur is nice, but then again that price must be for the basic right? If it includes the 25mm gun and turret, why not? but license production so we get to learn how to build our own, aside from the experience we already have.

Austrians makes such nice weapons like the Styer AUG, Ulan IFV [Leonidas to Greece].

This transaction was for 45 units ordered by Belgium in June 1996 and already include the 25mm main gun.

Considering the capabilities of the Pandur (below), I think we got a raw deal on the Simba..

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Steyr-Daimier-PuchSpeziaifahrzeug GmbH originally developed the Pandur 6x6 armoured personnel carrier (APC) as a private venture. Since then, orders have been received for almost 300 vehicles.

Pandur's design is such that it can easily be adapted for a wide range of roles as well as being fitted with different weapon systems, up to a two-person turret armed with a 90mm gun.

Different variants are available, including: anti-tank with various types of missiles; command post; internal security; 81 mm or 120mm mortar carrier; reconnaissance; and repair and recovery. Some of these versions, such as the ambulance, have a higher roofline and one version has a longer wheelbase for greater internal volume.

A special amphibious model also exists.Two water jets mounted either side at the back propel the vehicle through water at 11 km/h.

Standard equipment includes run-flat tyres, a central tyre-pressure regulation system as well as the automatic drive train management system, which automatically engages and disengages the longitudinal and axle differentials to suit the terrain being crossed.

A wide range of optional equipment is available for the Pandur, including a nuclear, biological and chemical defensive system, air-conditioning system, additional armour, night-vision equipment and a land navigation system.

Further development has resulted in the Pandur II series, which is being marketed in both 6 x 6 and 8 x 8 configurations. This contains a significant number of improvements: the 6 x 6 model can be fitted with turrets armed with up to 90mm guns, while the 8 x 8 version can have turrets armed with weapons up to 105mm. Both of these vehicles share 90% common components to reduce procurement costs and are powered by a 405hp (450hp for the 8x8) Cummins diesel coupled to a ZF automatic transmission.

With the 25mm gun, what a great deal... Always wanted 6x6 or 8x8 IFV for the AFP.

If we went that way, the order for Ulan IFV would probably be next...

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Germany will be replacing the Marder II IFV they have with PUMA IFV. I guess the AFP should look into it. In two years time there might be 2nd hand Marder II IFVs up for sale, probably more than a hundred units.

Natural, this is for the tracked IFV, we will still need mass produced Baracos and Kalakians [hopefully Kalakian II].

not an APC, but

:drunk:

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm

that is one mean looking tank saver and the price is right too!!!
I wonder if it is still on sale? are the people in the army looking at these?
how many are avalable out there? does it comes with the weapon system?

The Pandur is certainly a better platform than the Simba.

Pic below is that of Belgian Pandur in Afghanistan with rubber up-armor:

rubber armor?

unusual..really? :armyeek:

There are a lot of GOOD used big tanks available out there. But the big problem is every bridge they cross will have to be fixed. Due to their massive weight. :armyLol:

The pandur is a nice and handsome looking vehicle.

Better check your prices, i've done some research before on foreign tanks and the prices in the internet are either old or incorrect. I doub't if the Pandur with a manual turret will cost less than P30M now.

We have about 30 scorpion light tanks, parked in camps in need of repairs, and refurbishment.

i read somewhere that its effective against rpg which make the warhead explode before it can hit the actual side of the vehicle..

Like a improvised slat armor? well, if it works, its much much easier to clean than slats. :aberet:

Going over the prices of these vehicles is one thing. Getting your Philippine officials to actually buy them is another.

What's the point of discussing this if none of us is in a policy-making position? (yet)

Maybe you one of you should write your Congressmen to consider it, but personally I think the Philippine Air Force's need for MRFs and the PN's need for SSMs must come first, in spite of your President's so-called focus on COIN to destroy the NPA/ASG as the first defence priority.

Still, why should my opinion count anyway? I don't live in the Philippines anymore, so you wouldn't care less...

BTW, the MOWAG Eagle IV vehicle stated above is really the "Duro" vehicle offered to the Canadian Forces by General Dynamics Land Systems, Canada division.