Title: Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles
Duminus - April 20, 2007 05:30 AM (GMT)
Around 4,100 of this new-class of armored vehicles required by USMC. Several defense companies were awarded production contracts, one of which is Protected Vehicles, Inc. which will provide the GOLAN and the ALPHA vehicles.
The GOLAN:
The ALPHA:
The GOLAN:
The ALPHA:
MSantor - April 30, 2007 02:17 AM (GMT)
Has anyone heard about the Mine-resistant, Ambush-Protected Vehicles (MRAP vehicles) that are increasingly being used and proven in combat in Iraq? They can suffer more damage than IED-wracked Hum-vees and still go on.
Perhaps two decades from now, when they are second-rate equipment, they might be within the AFP's buying range, unless the Philippine economy becomes much better before then, at least on the level of Asian Tiger like Taiwan or South Korea.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,133917,00.html
Perhaps two decades from now, when they are second-rate equipment, they might be within the AFP's buying range, unless the Philippine economy becomes much better before then, at least on the level of Asian Tiger like Taiwan or South Korea.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,133917,00.html
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| Armored Vehicles for Iraq Delayed Associated Press | April 29, 2007 CAMP FALLUJAH, Iraq - The armored carrier has a grim black slash across its side, burn marks on the door and a web of cracks along the window. Like most of the Mine Resistant, Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles in Anbar province, this one has been hit as many as three times by enemy fire and bomb blasts. Yet, to date, no American troops have died while riding in one. But efforts to buy thousands more carriers - each costing about $1 million - could be delayed if the White House and Congress do not resolve their deadlock over a $124.2 billion war spending bill. About $3 billion for the vehicles is tied up in the legislation. The spending plan has stalled because of a dispute over provisions that would set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. At a hearing last month, lawmakers urged the Army to get more of the carriers to the battlefront as quickly as possible. The vehicles, with their unique V-shaped hull that deflects blasts outward and away from passengers, are considered lifesavers against the No. 1 killer in Iraq - roadside bombs. Military leaders say the carriers have reduced roadside bomb casualties in Iraq by as much as two-thirds. But they are not effective against the enemy's latest weapon - explosively formed penetrators, which hurl a fist-sized lump of molten copper capable of piercing armored vehicles. Right now, there are at least 1,100 of the armored carriers on the battlefront in Iraq, including the 100 or so that rumble through Anbar province carrying troops and clearing roads of explosives. The Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force and Special Operations forces want thousands more. The goal is more than 7,700, at a cost of about $8.4 billion. The Army wants 2,500, at a cost of about $2.7 billion. The Marines are planning to buy 3,700 and would send about 3,000 to Iraq. There will be 525 in the country by the end of the year, said Brig. Gen. Mark Gurganus, ground combat commander for U.S. forces in western Iraq. As the Pentagon scrapes to find the money to run the war in the midst of the budget impasse, the Pentagon says there is not enough cash to buy as many as commanders say they need. "We can build what we can get the funds to build. It's strictly an issue of money," Gen. Peter Schoomaker, former Army chief of staff, told a Senate committee last month. At the time, he said the Army had an unfunded requirement of about $2 billion. Lawmakers added some additional money to the bill, so that number would now be about $1.5 billion. He said the Army believes "that not only do we need the MRAP immediately to give us better protection, but that we need to stay on a path to get an even better vehicle than the MRAP for the long haul, because the enemy is going to continue to adapt." Senators pressed for more. "We're buying far too few of them," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D. "If we have that capability, why would we not do everything to mobilize, to move as many of them into the field as is possible? In January, the military approved contracts to buy 4,100 of the armored carriers, using nine different companies to fill the order. Although the Pentagon is shifting money around to cover war costs until the spending bill is signed, the Army said dollars already approved and in the pipeline for the vehicles will not be affected. Additional orders cannot be placed until the disagreement over the war spending legislation is settled. That bill would give the Army ($1.2 billion), the Marines ($1.25 billion), the Navy ($154 million), the Air Force ($139 million) and special operations forces ($259 million) money to buy their own versions of the carriers, according to Bill Johnson-Miles, spokesman for the Marine Corps Systems Command. The Defense Department has requested about $4.4 billion in the 2008 budget to buy more of the vehicles. Out on the dusty roads in Anbar province, Marines say the carriers have proved their worth. This month, Marine Staff Sgt. Tim Kessler said, Marines were riding in one and took a hit from a small roadside bomb. The blast blew a tire, and it took them more than 90 minutes to limp back to base, but no one was hurt. Days earlier, a carrier with six Marines was hit by two blasts; two Marines had broken bones, but they all survived. "It's an extremely survivable vehicle. I guarantee it saves lives," said Kessler. Pointing to the scars on the side of the MRAP, he added that had they been riding in a Humvee or something else, "they would all be dead." |
City Hunter - May 3, 2007 02:12 AM (GMT)
Pwede kaya modification to existing assets na lang? That way may job creation and improvement of local skills and technology.
Pasensya na kung makulit pero isama ko lang sa mga possible locally made parts and modifications. Take opportunity ko na itong election season baka may kumagat na pulitiko at least something gets done for our boys.
Pasensya na kung makulit pero isama ko lang sa mga possible locally made parts and modifications. Take opportunity ko na itong election season baka may kumagat na pulitiko at least something gets done for our boys.
sgtbilko - May 3, 2007 02:51 AM (GMT)
At US$1M per unit, that roughly P47.5M/unit, pag worn out na, they should sell it for surplus at around P7-10M per unit. IED casualties are usually from HUMVEE where armor is very thin. small APCs with Level III protection and a V-shaped hull should be well enough to provide both mine & IED protection.
edwin - May 6, 2007 12:30 AM (GMT)
Another type of Protected Vehicle.
RG-31 NYALA
By January 2007 U.S. forces have ordered or received 424 RG-31 vehicles, including 265 RG-31 Mk5s for the U.S. Army and SOCOM.
RG-31 is currently in service with US Army Task Force Pathfinder attached to the 82nd Airborne Division in Iraq. It is also used with Explosive Ordinance Disposal units of the US Marine Corps,
More..
http://www.defense-update.com/products/r/RG-31.htm
RG-31 NYALA
By January 2007 U.S. forces have ordered or received 424 RG-31 vehicles, including 265 RG-31 Mk5s for the U.S. Army and SOCOM.
RG-31 is currently in service with US Army Task Force Pathfinder attached to the 82nd Airborne Division in Iraq. It is also used with Explosive Ordinance Disposal units of the US Marine Corps,
More..
http://www.defense-update.com/products/r/RG-31.htm
MSantor - May 6, 2007 04:48 PM (GMT)
I guess both of you haven't even noticed my thread on the MRAP vehicles you two are talking about! :headbang:
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=4464&st=0&#last
People should stop making redundant posts of topics already discussed before and use the damn SEARCH function!
http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=4464&st=0&#last
People should stop making redundant posts of topics already discussed before and use the damn SEARCH function!
Duminus - May 7, 2007 12:51 AM (GMT)
Santor: Analyze first before you rant!
I posted this thread on April 20, 2007 1:30PM while you posted yours on April 30, 2007 10:17AM TEN DAYS later.
Now who posted the redundant post, di ba IKAW!
Its you who should have heeded your own suggestion, you freakin' hothead: :armywink:
I posted this thread on April 20, 2007 1:30PM while you posted yours on April 30, 2007 10:17AM TEN DAYS later.
Now who posted the redundant post, di ba IKAW!
Its you who should have heeded your own suggestion, you freakin' hothead: :armywink:
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| People should stop making redundant posts of topics already discussed before and use the damn SEARCH function! |
Spidey - May 7, 2007 12:58 AM (GMT)
Ngek! sumablay na naman si Santor hi hi hi hi :demon:
MSantor - May 7, 2007 05:01 AM (GMT)
Oh well...at least I'm one SEXY hothead.
:demon:
Interpret that however you want.
Oh well...but still, MRAP vehicle is currently beyond the reach of the Philippines- and I don't see the MILF/ASG setting off IEDs against many Philippine Armoured vehicles, though other causes such as RPGs have reportedly taken out IFVs/AFVs of the Philippine Army. Still, I see no AFP need for it yet in the forceable future.
BTW, both of you should look up General Dynamics Land Systems Canada's own Nyalas/MRAP vehicles.
:demon:
Interpret that however you want.
Oh well...but still, MRAP vehicle is currently beyond the reach of the Philippines- and I don't see the MILF/ASG setting off IEDs against many Philippine Armoured vehicles, though other causes such as RPGs have reportedly taken out IFVs/AFVs of the Philippine Army. Still, I see no AFP need for it yet in the forceable future.
BTW, both of you should look up General Dynamics Land Systems Canada's own Nyalas/MRAP vehicles.
Duminus - May 8, 2007 05:46 AM (GMT)
General Dynamics Receives $245 Million for Mine-Protected Vehicle Work
General Dynamics Land Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), has received a work order for $244.5 million of a $490 million contract awarded to Force Protection, Inc. (NASDAQ:FRPT) on April 24 to produce 1,000 vehicles for the U.S. Marine Corps’ Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle program.
Force Protection and General Dynamics have formed a joint venture, Force Dynamics, to share in the production and program management of the MRAP contact.
This latest MRAP delivery order purchases Force Protection’s category I 4X4 and category II 6X6 Cougar vehicles. Manufacturing will be performed in Anniston, Alabama; Charlotte, Michigan; Ladson, South Carolina; Lima, Ohio; Kings Point, North Carolina; and Sealy, Texas.
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:armyeek: P12,000,000 per unit
General Dynamics Land Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), has received a work order for $244.5 million of a $490 million contract awarded to Force Protection, Inc. (NASDAQ:FRPT) on April 24 to produce 1,000 vehicles for the U.S. Marine Corps’ Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle program.
Force Protection and General Dynamics have formed a joint venture, Force Dynamics, to share in the production and program management of the MRAP contact.
This latest MRAP delivery order purchases Force Protection’s category I 4X4 and category II 6X6 Cougar vehicles. Manufacturing will be performed in Anniston, Alabama; Charlotte, Michigan; Ladson, South Carolina; Lima, Ohio; Kings Point, North Carolina; and Sealy, Texas.
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:armyeek: P12,000,000 per unit
Singa Lion - May 16, 2007 01:29 AM (GMT)
Mine-resistant 'MRAP's called 'four-to-five' times safer than Humvees for U.S. forces
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration plans to accelerate deliveries of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles for the U.S. military in Iraq.
Officials said not one Marine has been killed during 300 IED attacks on MRAPs. They said MRAP's raised, V-shaped underbelly deflected the force of IEDs. In all, the Marines have deployed 65 MRAPs in Iraq.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said MRAP offered improved troop protection over up-armored Humvees. Gates said MRAP would replace armored Humvees, particularly in the Marine Corps.
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WASHINGTON — The Bush administration plans to accelerate deliveries of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles for the U.S. military in Iraq.
Officials said not one Marine has been killed during 300 IED attacks on MRAPs. They said MRAP's raised, V-shaped underbelly deflected the force of IEDs. In all, the Marines have deployed 65 MRAPs in Iraq.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said MRAP offered improved troop protection over up-armored Humvees. Gates said MRAP would replace armored Humvees, particularly in the Marine Corps.
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Frenzy - January 23, 2008 12:20 AM (GMT)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/ap_on_..._vehicles_death
New armored truck sees first Iraq death
WASHINGTON - A soldier killed over the weekend south of Baghdad was the first American death in a roadside bomb attack on a newly introduced, heavily armored vehicle, military officials said Tuesday.
The death, however, has not changed the Pentagon's mind about its plans to spend more than $22 billion to buy thousands of the mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles, known by the acronym MRAP, for the Army and Marine Corps to use in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell.
"That attack has not ... caused anyone to question the vehicle's lifesaving capacity," Morrell said. "To the contrary, the attack reaffirms their survivability."
The soldier who died Saturday was the gunner who sits atop the MRAP vehicle. Morrell said it is still not clear whether he died as a result of the explosion or the rollover. And Maj. Alayne P. Conway, deputy spokeswoman for the 3rd Infantry Division, said the attack and the death are under investigation.
Morrell said the MRAP hit a "very large, deep-buried IED" and that the "force of the explosion blew the MRAP into the air and caused it to overturn." Despite the size of the explosion, he said, the crew compartment "was not compromised" and the three soldiers inside escaped with cuts and broken bones in their feet.
"I think everybody is still amazed at the fact that, despite the size of this bomb, these vehicles are proving to be every bit as strong and as lifesaving as we hoped they would be," said Morrell, adding that Defense Secretary Robert Gates is "more convinced than ever that these vehicles do indeed save lives."
The V-shaped hull of the huge MRAP truck is designed to deflect blasts from roadside bombs, a weapon that has killed more American soldiers than any other tactic used by Sunni insurgents and militia fighters in Iraq.
Although this is the first fatality since the new MRAP program was declared a Pentagon priority and launched about a year ago, there have been three recorded American fatalities in similar vehicles prior to that. In one case, a service member who was not wearing his seat belt was killed when the bomb exploded near the vehicle.
There now are more than 2,225 of the costly vehicles in service in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Pentagon is working to buy as many as 12,000 more. MRAPs cost between $500,000 and $1 million, depending on their size and how they are equipped. They can weigh between 19 and 40 tons.
Morrell said that commanders in Afghanistan are interested in getting some of the lighter MRAPs, which they said would work well in that terrain.
The sophisticated vehicles are being built and put into service in a bid to provide soldiers and Marines more protection than is offered by armored Humvees, which have flat bottoms that absorb the shock waves from a blast. The bottom of an MRAP also is 36 inches above the ground, while Humvees sit much closer to the roadway.
The MRAPs are not as agile as the Humvees, however, and thus are more cumbersome and not ideal in some battlefield locations.
New armored truck sees first Iraq death
WASHINGTON - A soldier killed over the weekend south of Baghdad was the first American death in a roadside bomb attack on a newly introduced, heavily armored vehicle, military officials said Tuesday.
The death, however, has not changed the Pentagon's mind about its plans to spend more than $22 billion to buy thousands of the mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles, known by the acronym MRAP, for the Army and Marine Corps to use in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell.
"That attack has not ... caused anyone to question the vehicle's lifesaving capacity," Morrell said. "To the contrary, the attack reaffirms their survivability."
The soldier who died Saturday was the gunner who sits atop the MRAP vehicle. Morrell said it is still not clear whether he died as a result of the explosion or the rollover. And Maj. Alayne P. Conway, deputy spokeswoman for the 3rd Infantry Division, said the attack and the death are under investigation.
Morrell said the MRAP hit a "very large, deep-buried IED" and that the "force of the explosion blew the MRAP into the air and caused it to overturn." Despite the size of the explosion, he said, the crew compartment "was not compromised" and the three soldiers inside escaped with cuts and broken bones in their feet.
"I think everybody is still amazed at the fact that, despite the size of this bomb, these vehicles are proving to be every bit as strong and as lifesaving as we hoped they would be," said Morrell, adding that Defense Secretary Robert Gates is "more convinced than ever that these vehicles do indeed save lives."
The V-shaped hull of the huge MRAP truck is designed to deflect blasts from roadside bombs, a weapon that has killed more American soldiers than any other tactic used by Sunni insurgents and militia fighters in Iraq.
Although this is the first fatality since the new MRAP program was declared a Pentagon priority and launched about a year ago, there have been three recorded American fatalities in similar vehicles prior to that. In one case, a service member who was not wearing his seat belt was killed when the bomb exploded near the vehicle.
There now are more than 2,225 of the costly vehicles in service in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Pentagon is working to buy as many as 12,000 more. MRAPs cost between $500,000 and $1 million, depending on their size and how they are equipped. They can weigh between 19 and 40 tons.
Morrell said that commanders in Afghanistan are interested in getting some of the lighter MRAPs, which they said would work well in that terrain.
The sophisticated vehicles are being built and put into service in a bid to provide soldiers and Marines more protection than is offered by armored Humvees, which have flat bottoms that absorb the shock waves from a blast. The bottom of an MRAP also is 36 inches above the ground, while Humvees sit much closer to the roadway.
The MRAPs are not as agile as the Humvees, however, and thus are more cumbersome and not ideal in some battlefield locations.
saver111 - October 27, 2009 02:57 PM (GMT)
The new mine-resistant, ambush-protected all-terrain vehicle, built specifically for the mountainous Afghan terrain, parks next to the larger MRAP, MaxxPro Dash. The first M-ATVs designated for Southern Afghanistan arrived at Kandahar Airfield, Afghanistan, by air transport Oct. 22, 2009. U.S. Army photo by Spc. Elisabet Freeburg
New All-terrain Vehicles Arrive in Afghanistan
American Forces Press Service
KANDAHAR AIRFIELD, Afghanistan, Oct. 23, 2009 – The first mine–resistant, ambush-protected all-terrain vehicles designated for southern Afghanistan arrived here Oct. 22 by air transport.
After months of government testing, the Defense Department awarded a contract in June to Oshkosh Corp. to supply an initial order valued at $1.05 billion for more than 2,000 of the vehicles, known as M-ATVs.
“This is a very different environment than Iraq, so as we came in and continued to fight the fight in Afghanistan, we realized it requires a little bit different equipment or modification than what we have,” said Army Lt. Col. Richard Haggerty, the Regional Command South deputy director for acquisitions, logistics and technology.
With an independent suspension system designed for off-road mobility, the M-ATV is built specifically to navigate Afghanistan’s rugged landscape.
“The M-ATV really answers some of the challenges of the terrain, high altitudes and the real unevenness of a lot of the terrain out there,” Haggerty said.
The M-ATV seats four passengers and one gunner[/vb], and features an armor system [b]with a “V” shaped hull engineered to protect occupants from enemy attack.
“It looks like a modified, huge, heavy-duty Jeep,” said Anthony Deluca, the Kandahar site lead for the mine–resistant, ambush-protected, or MRAP, program. “It’s got very good suspension systems, and everyone raves about how well it functions in the field.”
While some original MRAP vehicles may weigh nearly 60,000 pounds, the M-ATV weighs about 25,000 pounds, including standard equipment and fuel.
“We’re trying to get the soldier exactly what he needs to be successful in the battlefield,” Haggerty said.
The initial eight vehicles will be used to train drivers and mechanics with units selected to receive M-ATVs.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=56381