this is the XM110 semi-automatic sniper system:

http://peosoldier.army.mil/factsheets/SW_CSW_XM110.pdf

its now being field tested in afghanistan by the us army.

i wish the AFP will procure this for the Scout Ranger snipers...hooaahh!

The XM-110 is the Knight's Armament Corp (KAC) Stoner SR-25 formally adopted last year US army as semi automatic sniper rifle replacing the venerable M21 US AMTU/National Match upgrade (the USSF M25 M21 upgrade). The replacement is overdue and the other contenders were the H&K MSG-90.

The Philippine Army have classified number of SR-25s in the inventory of the PA-SOCOM since 2004. So does the PNP-SAF. The SR for its part were given a choice to have it but declined and would rather have the M24. Several SR-25/XM-110 were available to several SR sniper classes and the operator feedback are as follows.

1. The magazines touches the bolt carrier disaligning the parallelism of the bolt head and the barrel making it shoot inconsistently.
2. It does not maintain 0.5MOA shot groups
3. It is heavy and bulky
4. Replacement mags are only sold by KAC no aftermarket source
5. The slip-on silencer is both heavy and not secured properly, it changes the point of impact of the barrel.
6. It only works with M-118 and M118LR ammunition grossly inconsistent with AFP issue M-80 ammo even if it was "match ammo conditioned".
7. M21 samples rebuilt by SR armorers can beat it by 400m and by 0.5MOA using the same ammo.

So what's the use? its more problem than solutions. I heard some LRB stacks would rather be deployed with M24s.They have given up their SR-25/XM-110 for M24s.

A good operator and practice with on rapid bolt manipulation on the M24 will beat it at the standoff distance of the XM-110.

It does look sexy!

very informative observations sir, but if this rifle has more problems than the one it replaces, then why is the us army adopting it?

or maybe the ones the sr tested are not the same quality as the rifles issued to the us army?

Sr-25 was very succesful with the US swat teams specially with LAPD and DenverPD.

I would not refute the fact that they are successful for that role. It just so happens that they are gloves not fitting some hands.

I know, a USMC SS team who rotated fr Iraq who were initially deployed with SR25, they eventually traded their SR-25s for M40s with marine quartermasters, cold bore shots are a problem for them maybe not for the SWATs.

Ask ko lang, mahirap at magastos ba to accurize our M14s? Or can these be tuned into M21s?

Would be nicer kasi kung proven platform muna para makatipid. Then kopyahin na lang yun mga accessories coming out for airsoft versions like the EBR for it - as acknowledge ko naman na inferior mostly yun materials used in airsoft as its for a hobby naman. Sayang nga lang kung pwede sana drop fit yun mga synthetic stock for the airsoft M14 for the real steel M14 that sure would be a nice mod for our boys in the field para less weight.

It is easy, 3 days worth of work 10 rifles simulataneously, the bedding costs nothing but the titanium epoxy or steel epoxy (three tubes per rifle), the bedding jigs cost 50 dollars a pop. The mounts and rings costs approx 20T-25T local prices, the scope price varies but a good leupold or equivalent costs 1200USD FOB USA. The M14 barrels are good til 168gr ammo. SR armorers made several M21 test runs for SR snipers and several Squad Designated Marksmen (SDM) students, the SDM rifles were modded by the students themselves using an aluminum mount bolted to the clip charger and are now deployed to the divisions. Problem is, their is no management interest on the matter.

Hmmm. I could probably "help" on that management interest issue but could one give more light on the matter. Like kung mas "hiyang" and therefore more useful for our snipers or marksmen yun M14 over the G3 (sino nga ba uses this aside from old PMA grads) and meron pa ba natira dun sa mga captured FALs noon (as I spotted some old ones with private armies pero no idea ako kung ito yun mga na-captured noon). Para naman mabigyan ko ng a bit more weight yun defense of the M14 mod idea when I pass it up.

Ask ko rin, alam ko Navy boys use M14s pero Army guys lang ba ang naka M14 "sniper" setup? And did they do away with the full-auto or not? What about the Air Force and Marine guys? We have a special force group di ba for the Air Force and the Marines have the Force Recon and yun modified M16 is more of like the Dragunov SVD na accurate immediate fire rather than a sniper rifle di ba?

Pasensya na kung medyo naging OT na yun mga tanong ko as this is for the Scout Ranger topic pero ilump ko na into one as they drop the replies sa top kasi. Para isang bagsakan na lang when I write things down and troll around for possible support. Who knows baka meron sa private sector no longer using their M14 or similar type mods at pwede na i-donate to our boys in the field.

One other class of Sniper rifle the 1SRR and other SOF units of the AFP and PNP should look into would be a short-medium ranged sniper in the same caliber as the M16 for use in CQB ops much like the Mk 13 Special-Purpose Rifle.



The PMC has already made headway in modifying M16A1s for sniping through the MSSR. An SPR of our own will really come in handy given the sort of engagements our troops are in

Will this eventually replace the M-24 in US inventory?

If so, maybe some of the surplus M-24s will trickle down to us. It's still a very capable sniper weapon.

I don't think so that this will completely replace the M-24. Other operators will still prefer their old guns.

What happened to the RAM?



http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=1092&st=210

As far as I know the PMC have there own program for the M14, i dunno if they also did the US AMTU M21 upgrade and bought the jigs. The PAF snipers are usually trained by SRTS, but lately I heard they want to setup their own mixed with pathfinder tactics i dunno kung natuloy yun.

The beauty of the M21 is that it can serve as SDM/DMR or primary SWS or spotter rifle. Flexible siya for our needs.

SR doctrine does not have automatic fire even on M16s much more on M14s except for the M60 and Ulitmax but that is different doctrinal standards from sniping and may sariling employment TTPs ang automatic fire. Automatic fire of an individual weapon by an SR is a serious offense and may be the basis of expelling you fr the regiment or will render you in RETAKE or RTU status during training. SR dictum on automatic fire is " Automatic Fire is Only Authorized For Crew Served Weapons". You can not scour the jungles for 2 weeks and waste your ammo in 180 seconds. Fire only when you can hit and "no recon by fire is allowed".

SR has tried local mods, problema, they are not field grade mods, the US AMTU M21 mods is still best deployable upgrade.

The PA have studied SPR like upgrades, again walang long term support to deploy the weapon system. The local preference is chrome bore match barrel (SPR: stainless match barrel), 1-5X variable scope with 1/4MOA turret (SPR:1-5X w/ Ballsitic Drop Compensator turret for the Mk262), Screw type muzzle dry/wet can (SPR: muzzle shoulder, tapered extension using an OPSINC dry/wetcan), Cantilever low mount M1913 extension good for 4 extra picatinny notches (SPR: full length M1913 extension).

I think it was the test bed rifle, si CDF ang mas nakakaalam sa programa.

The XM-110 is not a replacement for the M24, it is a replacement for the M21/M25 spotter rifle. The idea is to pair the M24 and/or M40 with a precision rifle capable of semiauto fire that can co share ammunition bet operators. Thats why the SPR was not even included in the preferences dahil 5.56mm ang SPR.

I heard some USMC battalions equip their S/S teams with SR-25/XM-110 both as primary SWS and spotter rifle. Medyo di makahabol and M40A1 to M40A3 upgrade program dahil kaunti na lang ang UNERTL scopes nila. It would have been solved if unertl did not sue US optics for their UNERTL copy the MST-10. The original procurement plan is to decommission all M40A1, re blueprint the actions and rebuild them into M40A3. Problem is, most M40A1s are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan they have no spares to rotate them for upgrade. The M40A3 upgrade does not even have provisions to procure new optic types (i.e. leupold, niteforce S&B etc) all they have was provisions for a contractor to rebuild the old UNERTL optics which was US Optics.

There are no surplus M24s and M40s given to US allied couuntries as a matter of fact they rebuild these fine rifles over and over again. M24s has not reached National Guard units yet! Kaya other guard units were deployed with M21s as primary/spotter equipment.

PA M24SWS were purchased new from Remington at 500t a pop. Pinagkainterasan ng mga divisions and were not used for almost three years. But bec of SR's relentless lobbying, SR was able to recover and reassign them to the regiment, rehabilitated them to tip top shape and redeployed them effectively. The SR was issued with Robar SR-60s a much finer custom rifle than the M24, unfortunately its in the evidence inventory of the PA as part of the oakwood incident evidence inventory. SR sniper classes pay homage to these rifles by cleaning them from inventory to maintain them before they are released after graduation.

Sir,

Yung FAL nega pwede, may axis parallelism issue and design ng receiver just like the M1C/D Garand sniper rifle, SVD and the Galil sniper rifle. Nababaklas kasi and receiver top cover niya, mahirap mag establish ang bore mechanical parallel line para ang bore sight have no progressing elev-windage error.

Yung SVD at Galil, niweld nila parallel refence habang nasa jig pa ang rifle, sa M1C/M1D, depot level naman ang upgrade. Tapos puro offset mount ang mga scope kaya may windage and elevation adjustments ka as the distance goes further.

Thanks for the info, mga peeps. Siguro mangulit na lang ako muli sa mga officials natin to pay attention to the basics more. Like on the M14 mods accepted by the standards habang nagtitipid muna.

article about the XM110 deployment in Afghanistan:

Snipers in Afghanistan receive new weapon
By Army Spc. Matthew Leary, Task Force Fury Public Affairs Office
Apr 24, 2007 - 7:22:20 PM

Blackanthem Military News, FORWARD OPERATING BASE SALERNO, Afghanistan – The sound of gunshots echoed at the small arms range at Forward Operating Salerno April 19, and to the normal observer it would have seemed to be nothing out of the ordinary.

But a closer look at the weapons being fired, the slightly elongated barrels, nondescript camouflage tan paint and oversized scope, would serve as an immediate testament that this was not your ordinary weapons qualification range.

Soldiers from Task Force Fury fielded a new sniper rifle, the XM110 semi-automatic sniper system, the first unit to receive the new weapon system in a combat zone.

The new rifle has several new features, but the most prominent is the improved rate of fire it offers.

“It’s semi-automatic, so it allows for rapid re-engagement of targets,” said Army Staff Sgt. Jason R. Terry, a sniper instructor with the U.S. Army Sniper School.

Older style rifles, such as the commonly used M24 Sniper Weapon System, are bolt-action weapons that require the sniper to manually feed another round into the chamber after each shot. The automatic firing capabilities of the SASS will cut down on the lag time in between shots, Terry said.

Snipers have a unique role within the Army, going out in pairs and conducting reconnaissance and providing long-range precision fire in support of missions, Terry said.

Because of their movement in small groups, snipers focus on being undetected by the enemy, said Army Pfc. Joel D. Dulashanti, a sniper with Troop C, 4th Squadron, 73rd Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division.

For this reason, the SASS has also been fitted with a suppressor, a metal tube that fits over the barrel of the rifle and significantly reduces the signature blast, Terry said. No longer is there the obligatory loud crack of the shot or small cloud of dust rising off the ground from the gases emitted from the barrel.

This advancement will make locating snipers in the field, even after they have fired a shot, difficult for enemy forces.

Terry and a team of other experts travelled along with the equipment, providing training on the SASS and delivering the equipment to the units.

“We brought them into the country with us, and they’ll stay here,” Terry said.

The three-day training course on the SASS was designed to familiarize the Soldiers with the new weapons system. Most of those in the class had already been to the U.S. Army Sniper School, so the introduction of the new weapon merely augmented the snipers’ arsenal, Terry said.

The training consisted of class instruction and time spent on the range, said Dulashanti.

“We learned to maintain and operate the weapon, what we can fix ourselves and what we can’t,” he said.

Since snipers are a limited resource, ensuring the equipment is operable is imperative, said Kyle P. Gleason, an equipment specialist with Tank Automotive and Armorist Command. Gleason is handling the maintenance portion of the class while the SASS is distributed here in Afghanistan.

“I teach them the basics,” Gleason said. “Here’s your rifle, here’s what it can do and here’s how you take care of it.”

If a weapon malfunctions or a component of it breaks, it is a serious loss of support to the unit. The training addressed the issue of how to determine what level of maintenance on the weapon is needed, and who is capable of providing it, Dulashanti said. Soldiers were also cautioned on particularly fragile parts that need to be carefully maintained due to the fact that only the manufacturer can repair them.

The training provides a better understanding of the weapon and reassured the Soldiers of its use, said Spc. Aaron J. Fillmore, an infantryman with Troop C, 4-73rd Cav., who has been assigned to the sniper section.

“I think it’s a pretty simple gun to maintain and operate,” he said. “It was good to get the familiarization with the weapon.”

Getting the Soldiers comfortable with the SASS was the exact purpose of the training, Terry said.

And even though it is the first time the SASS has been distributed and trained on downrange, the overall mission was a success, Gleason said.

“It’s been absolutely astounding,” said Gleason. “We got here and they were all for the training.”

In the end, it’s about providing competent and accurate fire and reconnaissance for maneuver units while they conduct operations here, said Army Staff Sgt. Jose L. Galvan, a sniper instructor from the U.S. Army Sniper School. The semi-automatic fire provided by a XM110 SASS is a notable improvement.

“They now have a semi-automatic weapon that can shoot out to the ranges of a sniper rifle,” he said.

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Humor me lang muna and para na rin I could make a better message to send to our officials. Kamusta naman feedback on the AUG? And iilan lang ba meron SIG 550 or is it the SWAG who has those? How about the G36 - alam ko lang PSG and those who pixed in Boracay featured those. From past feedback the G3 is a bit hard to accurize kaya out na muna siguro yun and the Galil has been answered as well.

On the AUG kasi di ba meron na A3 model which enables it to accept M16 magazines? Oo nga pala, pahabol rin as some Army or PNP guys tot old FA MAS rifles and di ba system nito is close to the G3 - correct me na lang if I'm wrong.

Mga possibilities lang naman and/or proper reasoning why we should opt (or not if the case may be different) to go for the current MSSR. It would be nice kasi kung yun assistant ng sniper may weapon na kaya mag autoburn when things get hot. Ano nga pala sidearm ng snipers natin? Is it still the 1911 in original form or does some get simple upgrades na available from local manufacturers na?

Para when we suggest that our officials pay attention to an item may medyo complete idea na sila why we are stating so. Given na sobrang busy sila to research on this - ganun kasi experience ko in the past when I proposed they look into the ideas na posted here.

“It’s semi-automatic, so it allows for rapid re-engagement of targets,” said Army Staff Sgt. Jason R. Terry, a sniper instructor with the U.S. Army Sniper School.

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Their decision to use a semi-auto sniping system in Afghanistan and Iraq is influenced by the recent tactical engagement which they experienced. The M24 has a fixed power (10x) M3A Scope which is not preferrable for shorter distances. A 10x magnification has a narrow field of view, and, target acquisition is quite difficult with this power setting at 100-200m. The problem with FOV adds to your problem of delivering quick follow-up shots when needed such as in a counter-ambush scenario. [/I]

I wouldnt pick an SR 25 if my mission is to engage targets over 500m. The reason is clearly explained by Mr Surehitter, a new graduate of the SR Sniper School. :sniper:

We now have cheaper versions of our M14 and M16 Designated Marksman's Rifle which are evaluated by our field units. Wait for the pix guys! :thumb:

Sir CDF,

Binuking mo naman ako na bayad na ako sa mga offense ko sayo dito sa pdff. :scared:
Sabi ng mga classmates ko SUBRA daw kayo hehehehehe.
:crawling:

The AUG steyr barrel naman problema, cold hammer forged ang barrel at balita namin hindi sya lapped, kailangan putukan ng madami bago maging consistent. Hirap din kumuha ng proper eye relief usually the problem wid bullpup designs

Dati may mga SIG 550 sa SR pero binalik na sa PA, nasa LOGCOM na siguro.
Maganda ang SIG550 sir kaso lang hindi free floating ang barrel nakakabit ang piston sa receiver, hindi consistent ang compression ng barrel dahil dito during recoil.

The G36 sir masyadong mahal benta sa AFP maganda sana, futuristic

Ang G3 madali lang sana i upgrade kaso lang tulad din sya ng SIG550 tsaka hirap eye relief. Kailangan gastusan ng match stocks para magamitan ng scope, high mount nga lang. Mahal sir yung match stocks.

Wala yata tayong A3 sir.

Taas ding scope mount ng FAMAS sir, di na normal bore line to sight line distance sir.

Ok naman sir yung MSSR basta lagyan lang ng comparable optics to the M24. Sa evaluation ng SR dapat variable power siya kaya as low as 2X as high as 10X power. Stainless steel barrel, bead blasted at black chrome plated para madali i spray paint ng camo sir.

It will be great sir kung ang variation ng tactical employment ay isang SR team or infantry squad ang security element. Di na advisable na magengage pa ang S/S team lalo na sa MILF/MNLF/ASG areas. Pag na abaniko ka na, best tactical move is to withdraw to last overwatch position or alternative hide then leapfrog back to secure lines na lang sir. Walop tayo sir pag naka form ang dobol flanks ng abaniko nila.

Mga bata sir nagpoproduce ng sarili nilang side arm. As employment rule sa SR, laging may dalang M653 ang S/S tapos naka dragbag ang SWS.

Maganda sana sir kung ganun, problema laging tingin nila sa mga ganitong upgrades ay one time procurement events. Di sir nakukuha yung concept na pinoprocure ay system (hindi lang platform) which includes individual maintenance, depot maintenance, evolutionary capability upgrades.

Maganda sana ay iprograma ay 5yr SWS capability upgrade na multi year scheme that consists several year on year series of procurements to support the SWS system. Lagi na lang tingin ng iba sir ay series of procurement actions (bili ng mount, bili ng scope etc) paano na maintenance, upgrade and quality assurance?

Symptoms lagi nyan sir ay kung hahanapan na ng account na may savings para masuportahan ng one time procurement. Pag nag reshuffle, restart na naman ang lobby to garner support for the program. Kainis din sir kung lagi kang kumakatok ng pinto pagkatapos ng periodic reorg tapos facial scowl reception na sasalubong sayo dahil full press ka sa mga programa. Halos kalahati ng oras para sa programa inuubos mo para explaining hindi sa field para lalong i develop ang programa.