see http://www.dnd.gov.ph

Bidding for 500-600units of 1-1/4 ton troop carrier

What would you choose for our troops?
Mitsubishi canter 4x4
KIA 4x4 troop carrier
CHINA-made 4x4 truck

I hear the china-made trucks are prime candidates since they have lower prices, but do you think it would be more expensive in the long run? maintenance-wise.

Hmmm...

Let's go fo KIA. They might support us for parts for those M-35 trucks look-a-likes they donated.

Or like in the discussion made in the other forum, we can get host trucks from these manufacturers with standard bodies that can be emplaced made by sub-contractors like Steelcraft.

Is this the new light utility transport of PA?

Just like in the M-35, different manufacturers, standard design. We give opportunity for everybody, more jobs as well as a chance to develop defense equipments.

Saver is right.

My pick is the CANTER though. But since Korea has donated some, and if we can purchase the model similar to what the Koreans delivered (i meant the parts) then KIA maybe is a good choice.

The AFP can decide which is better by looking into the maintenance concern, peformance and of course, the payment scheme.

I'll go for Kia.

Kia is a long time military vehicle supplier to the SoKor armed forces and therefore has extensive experience in this field.

And Korea just recently gave a lot of Kia-made trucks to us.

Personally, i'd choose the KIA, they are going to supply the KM450, similar to the American M715. these are being used by ROK troops in Iraq. since canter body is only commercial specs. KIA is mil specs.



DND approach to this bidding is good. direct to manufacturer only, no middleman, since this is P1.2B bidding. but i hear some fishy news that china-made commercial trucks will win this bid. due to price. hmmmm. whatever happened to quality?

even heard some rumors that it didn't go through the right passages, since other manufacturer went to PA RDC first for vehicle testing & evaluation prior to bidding. can someone clarify this?

Mitsubishi is a supplier of military vehicles to JSDF.

Check this out:

http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/World/JapanMilitary.html

used by the AFP in the 60s?

How about Isuzu, Hino and Fuso trucks?

The 1-1/4 ton troop carrier is 4x4. i think mitsubishi is going to supply commercial canter trucks with converted rear cargo bay to accomodate troops. Bad thing amount this is low survivability during frontal impact. Wala kasi nguso yun truck.

KIA is owned by Hyundai, it should be using hyundai engines. Hyundai engines are copycat to Mitsubishi engines, even the parts are interchangable. Starex owners know this. parts should be cheap.

Does anyone have pictures for Isuzu 4x4 troop carriers?

I TOTALLY AGREE!! :agree:

sgt.bilko, have you seen this?

Cute vehicle saver. Won't snipers just takeout the troops riding at the back 1 by 1?
Also, what would happen if a grenade was thrown inside? :scared:

Haven't seen the model Isuzu offered for this bidding. hope it looks like the Hino in your previous posting. :aberet: POGI!

The third version of the Mungo would have 360-degree protection against ballistic threats, as well as an air conditioning and a nuclear, biological and chemical protection system, making it suitable for use in command and control, reconnaissance, detecting weapons of mass destruction, medical missions, and other operations.

We could make our own design based on our situational needs and those available Elfs, Canters, L-300. Maybe standardized that can be installed on those different host trucks.

How about TOYOTA MEGA CRUISER (Military Version)?

Toyota Mega Cruiser is Toyota's answer to the famous american Hummer.


SOURCE
http://www.megacruiser.com/

TOTYOTA MEGA CRUISER in MILITARY VERSION



SOURCE
http://www.megacruiser.com/gallery/military-version.php

ANOTHER 1/4 ton troop carrier that can be considered by Philippine Army, since we have a lot of them all over the Philippines is COMBAT PAJERO TYPE 73.




SOURCE
http://www.strange-mecha.com/jsdf/jgsdf/jgsdf12.htm#73cp

Is Japan no longer sending us reparations equipment?

WAIT A MINUTE!!!! I THINK I WILL OPT FOR THIS!!!!

THIS TOYOTA MEGA CRUISER IS LIKE THE HUMMER, MIGHT AS WELL BE CHEAPER THAN THE HUMMER, HOEFULLY...

I'd go for a Kia. Nakapagmaneho ako ng CERES nila noong unang labas nito dito. Very matibay except for that handbrake bit (ni-lock ko sa first gear na lang kapag park). Mitsu ayaw ko kasi pangit rep nila kahit sa Jap. Asked around sa mga contacts ko sa used car market at mas mataas ang rating ng Toyota at Nissan to Mitsu. ChiCom trucks ewan ko pa kasi pati motor nila ay hindi masyado matibay (yun ang sabi sa akin ng mga tricycle drivers at my place).

Russian machines sana pero may nagbalita na noon dito that those aren't reliable rin at hirap pa magkuha ng parts.

Maybe we should upgrade our M-35 truck and put up-armor kits like the PMC are doing to their M-35 trucks like these

http://www.hueybravo.net/images/marines/Gu...1mdbesidegt.JPG

http://www.hueybravo.net/images/marines/Gu...mdbefrontgt.JPG

http://www.hueybravo.net/images/marines/Gu...1mdbereargt.JPG

http://www.hueybravo.net/images/marines/Gu.../daugogside.JPG

To increse soldiers survivavility in case of ambush and minimize casualties.But they should put roofing incase that grenade is thrown towards the rear part of the truck.

The contract has already been awarded to KIA with contract price of around P1.2-1.5B. i think its a pretty good buy since its MIL SPECS.

I like the MX 8 better

The KIA 4x4 will be used solely as a troop carrier. they will still need the MX8 to escort the troop carrier's to safety since the KIA 4x4's are unarmored. they'd be easy prey without an armored escort. Simba's & v-150's will be too big for escort missions. Also, Kia 4x4 and the MX8's mitsubishi engine have compatible parts, this will be good news for their logistics! :specool:

was this purchase completed already? i think its a Mitsubishi truck in the background:



and here's a smaller one:

:armyeek: our trucks could not even be described as soft-skinned...they're actually skinless.

don't lose too much sleep over our 'skinless' trucks, this is not Iraq and Manila is not Baghdad, there are no IEDs here.

correct man! Manila is not Baghdad, :salute:

I'll hope japan will send us more of these :thumb:

Noticed it just recently but nice find...a 10-troop truck that's light and narrow it's internally transportable via CH53/47. What the Wiesel is to tracked armor, the Mungo must be to transport trucks.

The cuteness may have to do with the demand for helo-portability. The same concerns with snipers and grenades haven't stopped us from moving troops via open 6x6 trucks.

Also, anybody else dislike the truck config below?

These are useful in the seconds of embarking/disembarking but they would usually do so a good distance away from their target area so the rapid exit advantage isn't that compelling. We also still load/unload troops from 6x6s from the rear.

I've also seen trucks like these with outward-facing seats careening down EDSA and the soldiers or police inside have to hold on to dear life seemingly for the fear (warranted or not) of falling out of the vehicle.

The Mungo vehicle cited earlier may thus present a compromise solution for the need for a light utility truck that can transport a squad while having rapid entry/exit options.

A Mungo or a clone perhaps.

German trucks said not tough enough for Afghanistan

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/144000.html

Berlin - The German Army is to stop using a troop-carrying truck in Afghanistan after breakdowns on that nation's stony roads, according to a news report Sunday. The newspaper Welt am Sonntag said the Defence Ministry had confirmed to an opposition politician that the 28 Mungo trucks, which are made by Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW), would be brought home.

The suspension and axles of the Mungo, a four-wheel truck with armoured sides that can carry platoons, have been criticized as not robust enough.

The Mungos had not proved practical in Afghanistan, according to the ministry.

The trucks were sent of Afghanistan to offer German soldiers better protection from stray bullets than the 283 smaller, jeep-style Mercedes Wolf cars which are the main motor vehicle used as a runabout by the German peacekeepers.

Oh. Is the Canter tough enough for Afghanistan?

how about he israeli modified half tracks of WW2

Given the choices KIA na din ako

I've heard that they already delivered hundreds of the KM450 to the PA, can somebody confirm this?

Mukhang kayang-kayang gawin dito ito ah ...

kaya nga natin kahit in house na lang ng maintenance depot pwede na

it seems like the AFP already made a decision.



-- Philippine troops parade the newly acquired military truck from South Korea's giant auto maker KIA corporations before President Gloria Arroyo during the 72nd anniversary of the Philippine armed forces at the military headquarters in Manila, 21 December 2007. A total of 651 military trucks were purchased by Manila as part of the military modernization program. In her address Arroyo expressed confidence the government would effectively end the three-decade-long communist insurgency by 2010. AFP PHOTO/ROMEO GACAD (Photo credit should read ROMEO GACAD/AFP/Getty Images)

not bad huh!? nice vehicles from korea

Ok ah what's next? K1A1? hahaha

let's hoped that it will be K1A1 will be next: kahit licensed-built na lang dito sa Pilipinas :thumb:

Para sa aking GOOD BUY na ito ... Congrats for the AFP especially for the people behind this procurement.