Guys, another idiotic or brilliant (depends on your POV) suggestion from me.

Instead of the mostly ill-trained CAFGUs, why not establish a more professional, better trained Philippine Guard units similar in concept to the USA National Guard.

This should be all-volunteer units composed of citizen-soldiers in a particular geographical area task to augment the AFP regular units.

It should probably be under the jurisdiction of the governor. What do you think?

No way bro...this will just be another golden opportunity for the governor to operate the unit as a private army.

Regional based na lang at saka controlled by the division commander, not by any politician.

Governor? :scared:

kakatakot naman yan boy... baka lagnatin ang mga taon nyan ng wala sa oras. baka gangster paradise ang labas nyan. hehehehehehe.

Philippine Guard? or Philippine Scout?

We can bring the old tradition also of the Philippine Scouts. But the Philippine National Guard is much better. Not being controlled by a politician but a Regional council instead or a division commander. Im offering my idea that is controlled by a regional council because we are a regionalized nation. in terms of national emergency we can clearly see the role of the regional council. right?

Nakikita nyo na ba ang purpose ng regional council? in case of national disaster the national guard will come first. in terms of regional security the national guard can operate together with PNP and AFP.

In case of national security the national guard can augment the AFP and PNP.

Spidey,

I hate to say this, but Wardog is RIGHT. Forming a National Guard for each region/province of the Philippines might lead to more secessionist/rebel movements or private armies for governors, since they would have their own arms to counter the central govt. What's the point of having a National Guard when you already have the Philippine Army Reserves and Air Force Reserves aside from the active forces? You are creating redundancy that is not needed (including the fact that the regular Philippine Air Force has 17,000 Airmen but a much lower number of planes!)

Here's a little basic concepts of how US National Guard/Air Guard units work:

If you know anything about US Army National Guard and Air National Guard units in any of the 50 US States as well as Guam and Puerto Rico, they just as much volunteer units/composed of citizen soldiers as the Army/ Air Force/Ac Reserve/Regular Army/Active Air Force of the US Federal Govt. The key difference though is that each State National Guard unit is under the command of that State's governor during emergencies, such as Forest Fires, Hurricanes, Flooding, Earthquakes and so forth. Examples of these include the Lousianna National Guard helping the citizens of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina or the Kansas National Guard helping Kansas residents in the aftermath of the recent tornadoes in that area, as of this posting.

While they are under the command of the State governor during these state-wide emergencies, in times of war, these State units can come under the Federal Govt.'s command by order of the US President- this is called "Federalization".

Otherwise, Army National Guard units and Air National Guard units are comparable in training to active units/reserve under Federal control since State Guardsmen and Air Guardsmen go to the same boot camps and MOS/job specialty training as their active/reserve counterparts. Also, most National Guard are also part time and have civilian day jobs, but unlike the Army Reserve of the regular Army, they serve their State, NOT the Federal government. (unless their unit has been Federalized during wartime)

The Guard budget of each state is paid for in State taxes (e.g. property taxes), not Federal taxes, and explains why Guard units are not always as well equipped as Regular/Federal units and often get hand-me-down equipment from Federal forces, but this depends on how prosperous that state is. For example, the Virginia Air National Guard is the first state unit to receive F-22s, while the Wyoming Air Guard may have older Blocs of F-16s.

Interestingly, the National Guard and Air National Guard units can also become the de-facto Army and Air Force of that state if that state secedes or rebels and decides to become its own country, whether by the order of that state's governor, or the state legislature in the state capital. That's what happened during the US Civil War when the Guard units, known then as state militias, formed together to become the Confederate Army of the rebelling Southern states. The Guard units' loyalty to their state first explains why they are always referred to their state first before the National Guard unit number- for example the Pennsylvania National Guard 28th Infantry Division.

Of all the State Army National Guard Units, probably the most formidable one is the Texas National Guard which is mainly composed of the 49th US Armored Division, and comparable to any regular, heavy US Army Armored Division such as the US 1st Armored Division or the US 1st Cavalry Division. Another formidable one is the California National Guard, mainly composed of the 40th Infantry Division, from whom a number of soldiers have been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan to augment regular US Army units there.

The ff. Air National Guard (ANG) career site will also give you a general idea what kind of squadrons or units are stationed in each state- just click on a state on the map.

http://www.goang.com/careers/

Do not confuse these State-controlled National Guard/Air Guard units with private militias that exist all throughout the United States, such as the Michigan Militia. Such groups often have no connection to any Federal or State entity and armed and funded through private citizens' own means, and are often separatist in nature or have other nefarious aims such as being white racial supremacists. :armyroleyes:

I hope this helps clear up some misconceptions.

well thats a good concept though in having a national guardsmen.

since we got the coast guard, then its not a bad thing to having air and army national guards as well to replace the cafgus.

but then, since our government system is f****d up, this dream is almost impossible.

Its a good idea, not stupid spidey, but the problem is our politicians cannot be trusted yet to handle amilitary organization as professionally as the state governors of America. :devilwink:

The REAL QUESTION all of you should be asking yourselves is whether the RP govt. can even afford another set of military units in the form of Philippine National Guard units?

Why spend money on more redundant, units when existing regular, active units and regular reserve units are POORLY equipped? Why create an Air National Guard for each province as well when the regular Philippine Air Force doesn't even have enough planes?

A good concept yes, but not one practical for the time being as long as the state of the RP economy and AFP budget is the way it is now.

Redundancy also causes means less efficiency, which explains the high frequency of corruption in China's HUGE and redundant People's Liberation Army including Political Commissars who have little to do beyond the weekly Tuesday party meeting? :armyroleyes:

Could end up like this, of which I believe is happening in some Reserve/Auxillary units.

For This Troop, No Battles but Plenty of Brass
James Estrin/The New York Times

By PAUL VITELLO
Published: May 14, 2007

Joseph N. Mondello, the chairman of New York State’s Republican Party, was a corporal in the United States Army when he was honorably discharged in 1958. But now, in the New York Guard, he is a two-star general.

Bobby Kumar Kalotee, chairman of the Independence Party of Nassau County, never served in the military. Yet his official biography lists Mr. Kalotee as a major in the New York Guard — and he has the uniform with epaulets to prove it.

Ralph Arred, the former Yonkers Democratic Party chairman, also never joined the armed services. But before he was sentenced to prison last year for tax evasion, his lawyer pleaded for leniency based in part on Mr. Arred’s service to his country — as a major in the New York Guard.

Not the New York National Guard. Not the Air National Guard. It is the New York Guard, a little-known volunteer corps dating to World War I, whose 800 members serve at the pleasure of the governor and cannot be sent into combat — or serve beyond the borders of the state.

Ostensibly, the New York Guard provides home-front support to the National Guard when the National Guard is busy elsewhere. Advocates say it has become more useful since 9/11, as nearly 6,000 of New York’s 10,000 Army National Guard soldiers have spent time in Iraq or Afghanistan.

But such support activities have largely amounted to spurts of volunteerism during extraordinary events: New York Guard members managed supplies at ground zero, provided some security at National Guard training camps in the months after 9/11 and have often written wills for soldiers heading to Baghdad.

More common are ceremonial events like parades or memorial services, where members often provide color guards. To be sure, there are many loyal members who have attended emergency-response training and helped out on missions like the rescue of a hiker upstate last year. But critics — including some former members — say that among the organization’s main beneficiaries is a small cadre of politicians who rarely show up for meetings but proudly show off their quasi-military honorifics.[

“If you are friendly with the governor and you always wanted to be a general, you ask the governor to make you a general, and poof, you are a brigadier general,” said Pierre David Lax, who served as a major general and commander of the New York Guard for several years until 2006, and owns a manufacturing company on Long Island.

In fact, promotions within the Guard are usually approved by the state’s adjutant general, the military officer in charge of the New York Guard as well as the Army National Guard, the Air National Guard and the Naval Militia. The adjutant general is appointed by the governor.

George Liebner, Mr. Lax’s predecessor at the Guard, was unabashed about his recruitment of politicians during the 1980s, not least because the organization depends on annual grants known as member items from the State Legislature for its budget of about $85,000 a year. Guard members like State Senator (and Col.) Dean G. Skelos and former Assemblyman (and Maj. Gen.) Thomas F. Barraga, both Long Island Republicans, have been among the sponsors of such grants; this year, Joseph L. Bruno, the Republican leader of the State Senate (and Guard colonel) delivered a last-minute item of $85,000.

“What could I give these guys except a title?” said Mr. Liebner, a Long Island accountant. “I’m not stupid. If I ask some political guy to join the New York Guard and support our mission, and I offer to make him a private, you think he’s going to join?”

Mr. Liebner recruited Mr. Mondello, Mr. Skelos and Mr. Bruno, who remains on the roster despite having attended few meetings and having passed the Guard’s mandatory retirement age of 68 a decade ago. And he made Alfonse M. D’Amato, then a Republican United States Senator, a colonel (he has since retired from the group).

Mr. Bruno did not return calls for comment. A spokesman for Mr. Skelos, Thomas Dunham, said his boss never considered his Guard membership anything but honorary and “never used it in any public way.”

Like New York, most states had similar organizations during World War I, but many disbanded right after the armistice. There are now 22; those in Georgia and South Carolina sent troops to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina; doctor-volunteers in Texas and Maryland have done service on the Mexican border and in Bosnia.

But as for politicians filling the group’s highest ranks, Byers W. Coleman, executive director of the State Guard Association of the United States, said of New York: “Usually, you hear of one or two, but not so many as they have where you are.”

Giulio A. Cavallo, the chairman of the Westchester County Independence Party, is a colonel. Philip C. Nolan, the Islip town supervisor, is a major. Assemblyman Daniel J. Burling of Wyoming County is a lieutenant colonel. Joseph J. Maltese, a State Supreme Court justice, is a brigadier general.

Members buy their own uniforms, which look like Army uniforms, and pay their own way to events. Clearly, some take their mission more seriously than others.

Guard members assembled for 46 events over the past six months: more than 100 marched in each of two St. Patrick’s Day parades; handfuls attended an emergency preparedness drill in Albany, provided the color guard for a funeral of a fellow guardsman in Flushing or handled security for a veterans’ charity run in Central Park; and one attended a lifesaving course in Cortland, N.Y. Mr. Mondello, the state Republican chairman, said he attended two-week Guard training sessions upstate for “about 10 years in a row,” volunteered at ground zero, and helped write wills for departing soldiers in the National Guard.

“I am proud of the work I have done as a member of the Guard,” he said. “Have some people used it to brush up their résumés? Sure. But most of us, believe it or not, are principled guys who believe in helping our country to be prepared.”

On May 6, when 30 Guard members provided music and speakers at a service in front of the veterans’ memorial at Sleepy Hollow Cemetery in Westchester, the only elected official among them was Stephen A. Bucaria, a State Supreme Court justice who is a Guard brigadier general and coordinator of pro bono legal services.

“We don’t do some of the things that are the most thrilling examples of what soldiers do,” he explained to about 50 onlookers of the Guard volunteers in their green camouflage uniforms. “We just do what we are called upon to do to make our state and country a safer place.”

Then, with cherry blossom petals whipping by in the morning breeze, the band of the New York Guard played a heartfelt and brassy rendition of “America the Beautiful.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/14/nyregion...ref=todayspaper

Don't confuse these local State Defense Forces mentioned in the above article or private militias with the actual Army National Guard or Air National Guard (ANG) unit for that state.

For example, the Michigan Militia is not the same thing as the Michigan National Guard and so forth.

The New York Guard is also not the same thing as the New York National Guard or New York ANG.

Interesting article, though. I just hope this idea of having all these superfluous titles given to people based on political favors and which have no real authority doesn't get to RP politicians' and their cronies' heads, though it has happened in the Philippines. :armyroleyes:

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/1120002010001, this is a good site ti learn about the US state defense forces.

The "National Guard" concept is unnecessary since we have no posse comitatus law unlike the US. Our AFP is able to fully operate inside the country unlike in the US where only the Navy and Marine Corps may be able to operate within, thats why they have the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard.

Aside from not having a posse comitatus law, the government can't even sufficiently arm the already existing active and reserve forces, how much more if it creates a new national guard force?

IMO, we should stick with our current setup. We just need better tax collection (not greater taxes like the e-vat mind you) to get more money for the budget and less corruption so the entire budget really goes where it is suppose to. When that happens, it will be a matter of time when we get our active and reserve forces up and running.

Until then, the state of the AFP, the entire nation, and the insurgency problem, will only get worse.

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING!!!!!!!!!! :headbang:

Doesn't anyone actually READ what I type?!!!!


Ayy buhayyyy....