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Title: Can you give the WEAPONS OF WAR of the PA
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judiel28 - August 8, 2007 04:35 AM (GMT)
Any pics will be appreciated TANKS,GUNS and other tools of anialation.

Lorenz_Mallari - August 12, 2007 04:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (judiel28 @ Aug 8 2007, 12:35 PM)
Any pics will be appreciated TANKS,GUNS and other tools of anialation.

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how bout this?

judiel28 - August 14, 2007 07:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lorenz_Mallari @ Aug 12 2007, 12:57 PM)
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how bout this?

WOW AHH! Nagpapatawa ka ba and corny kasi wala naman ganyan ang Pilipinas sabi ko WEAPONS OF WAR of the PA dinaman yan PA di kaba nakakaintinde Philippine Army tol :lollol:

saver111 - August 14, 2007 08:02 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (judiel28 @ Aug 14 2007, 03:12 PM)
QUOTE (Lorenz_Mallari @ Aug 12 2007, 12:57 PM)
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how bout this?

WOW AHH! Nagpapatawa ka ba and corny kasi wala naman ganyan ang Pilipinas sabi ko WEAPONS OF WAR of the PA dinaman yan PA di kaba nakakaintinde Philippine Army tol :lollol:

How about try scanning and reading other post before opening new threads. Answers to your questions are there for reading.


Lorenz_Mallari - August 15, 2007 05:30 AM (GMT)
Major equipment
-FV101 Scorpion lt tk - 41 units received
-AIFV IFV - 85 units received
-M113 APC
-Chaimite APC
-GKN Simba (APC) - 150 units received
-V-100/V-150 Commando APC - 165 units received
-Cessna 172
-Cessna 421
-M35 2-1/2 ton cargo truck
-Humvee
-Mini Cruiser [1]
-M151 MUTT
-M880
-Soltam M68 155mm med gun [2]
-M114 155 mm howitzer
-OTO Melara Mod 56 105mm
-M101 howitzer
-M40 recoilless rifle
-M67 recoilless rifle
-M20 recoilless rifle
-M30 107 mm Mortar
-M29 Mortar
-M2 Mortar

Lorenz_Mallari - August 15, 2007 05:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (judiel28 @ Aug 8 2007, 12:35 PM)
Any pics will be appreciated TANKS,GUNS and other tools of anialation.

you can't anialate if the weapons are rusting,mate

kopinux - August 15, 2007 01:35 PM (GMT)
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adroth - August 15, 2007 01:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (judiel28 @ Aug 7 2007, 08:35 PM)
Any pics will be appreciated TANKS,GUNS and other tools of anialation.

judiel28 - August 16, 2007 05:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (adroth @ Aug 15 2007, 09:50 PM)
Visit these:

http://www.hueybravo.net/

http://www.timawa.net/

I already visited the web site.Pero di ako kontento sa nakita ko kaya ko pinost to

Orven - August 17, 2007 01:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (kopinux @ Aug 15 2007, 09:35 PM)
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sir,is that APC from an encounter?

judiel28 - August 17, 2007 08:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Orven @ Aug 17 2007, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE (kopinux @ Aug 15 2007, 09:35 PM)
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sir,is that APC from an encounter?

Tingin ko Simba yun nasa picture....

kopinux - August 18, 2007 04:45 AM (GMT)
yea a busted simba now in the scrapyard/playground.

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the turret is facing backwards, this is how it looks like.
an RR or RPG probably hit it on the driver cockpit and bounced off in the turret.

the armor is probably 8mm thin, its thin but no m16/m14 bullet could dent it. real though.

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here is the inside view of the windows, it has several layers of fiber glass, but what ever m16/m14 hit it it only damages the first layer of fiber glass. the rebels could fire all day they want.

im no tank expert but it feels like simba is a little tougher than v-150s maybe because of the dedicated apc design compared to v-150 is an amphibian type. so im wondering how did the personnel inside the v-150 got injured during the tipo tipo clash. not unless they leave the hatch open.

Lorenz_Mallari - August 21, 2007 10:30 AM (GMT)
just look at its features,mate...obvious na simba APC sya

kopinux - August 23, 2007 01:43 AM (GMT)
this is the philippine army's weapons of war!
this is it... only it

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might as well give the simba to the pnp
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judiel28 - August 24, 2007 07:42 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (kopinux @ Aug 23 2007, 09:43 AM)
this is the philippine army's weapons of war!
this is it... only it

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might as well give the simba to the pnp
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Kaya ba tayong ipagtangol ng mga yan laban sa ibang bansa.......

adroth - August 24, 2007 08:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (judiel28 @ Aug 23 2007, 11:42 PM)
Kaya ba tayong ipagtangol ng mga yan laban sa ibang bansa.......


Why spend on weapons targeted at theoretical external enemies when we don't even have enough equipment to address the immediate threat -- which is primarily internal?

The AFP is focused on COIN. This is why we have the weapon-mix that we currently have.

Read these, and you will understand:

Why we are losing the fight

Have we really taken care of the basics

Is the AFP losing? A General talks

Dreamrider - August 24, 2007 09:35 AM (GMT)
Here it is, its written by Capt. Cabunoc:

Why are we losing the fight?

It should be noted that this particular encounter occurred in Luba Hill-Kagay-Tanum Complex of Patikul, Sulu.

The Army must come up with an in-depth analysis why many soldiers had perished in this particular area. When I was in Sulu 6yrs ago, several soldiers from different units were killed in this area such as the 4th Inf Bn (4-6soldiers), 77th IB (2LT PASWIK and many others were beheaded), Marine Recon Company (more than 10KIA).

There might be many reasons why we suffered humiliating defeats here (someone may not agree that we were always defeated in this particular area). We can cite some reasons which actually boil down to METT-TC factors. I have my own personal observations too.

Bgy Kagay and the Luba Hill area are the MNLF-held "territories". Here, former MNLF fighters who were not integrated into the AFP are establishing a stronghold. There should be no problem if these people have embraced peaceful lives as ordinary citizens. Like the Hezbollah of Southern Lebanon, they retained their firearms while "talking" about "peace". Insha allah, they must talk real peace!

During our patrols, we are supposed to "inform" them that we will be "passing" through their territory to avoid "misencounter". There were many instances that the ASG rebels who were pursued from their strongholds in Karawan and Makam Complex, Mt Tumatangis-Tubora, Mt Sinumaan-Mt Tunggul-Mt Munggit and Bud Bagsak complex find a safe haven in Luba Hill area under the "protection" of their cousins/ex-comrades/brothers in Islam who are members of the MNLF. Sometime in December 2000, when the MNLF forces in this area were bombarded after the brutal killing of 77IB soldiers, the artillery pieces went silent after a powerful "bulong" was given to a military commander. This is not the case when the American soldiers of Gen Pershing perished from the dreaded "juramentados". Im referring to some of the brave Tausugs who established "cottas" in Bud Daho and Bud Bagsak because they refused to be subjugated by the Christians. Instead of hearing the Sultan and his advisers, the Americans surrounded the area and annihilated the "rebels" until some of them capitulated. Maybe, the IDF (Israeli Military, not the Jolo Internal Defense Force) have read this historical account too.
I always opposed the idea that government forces must "ask permission" to conduct operations in MNLF held territories. Even if you don't inform them, you still face the probability of getting ambushed if you happen to meet some local villagers in their farmlands. After all, this villager can be one of your enemy. Now, bakit tayo mag-paalam sa kanila? Mag-paalam para ang kinakandong nila na mga ASG ay makalayas? Magpaalam para makapag-set up sila ng magandang ambush sa atin? How many times have we caught the ASG rebels with MNLF Identification cards with them? Ustadz Haber and Ajibon can always deny them anyway. Alam naman natin na binebenta rin nila ang kanilang ID sa kapwa nila Tausug!

On the other hand, we must look on the skills and discipline of our soldiers. It is said that excellent techniques, tactics and procedures on combat operations cannot be replaced by technological advancements. Dami nating iniisip na hi-tech na gamit like thermal imager, "game-finder", sniper rifles, etc pero BAKIT tila nakalimutan nating tunay na i-improve ang ating training? Kapag speeches, ang gaganda ng ating mga ideas pero sa katotohanan, walang implementation! Here are my comments on our levels of training:

1) Individual training. During CS training, sabi nyong mga trainor at mga officers, "Ipagtabas muna natin at magtanim ng kahoy ang mga CS kasi matuto rin yan during JWMOC/SROC". Nang mag-SROC na, pinagtatabas pa rin. Ang iba, tagalinis sa bahay ni Sergeant at alalay ni Sir. During graduation, meron patanga-tangang nag-graduate na nagtataka na "sundalo" na pala sya!!!! Ito palagay ko ang isa sa tumatakbo sa gyera kaya napupugutan ang iba nating sundalo (56IB in Akle, San Ildefonso, Bulacan; 77IB of Sulu; 18IB in Tuburan, Basilan; 32SFC in Pampangan, Lantawan Basilan; 10IB in Suicide Hill, Makiri Basilan at meron din nag-iisang Scout Ranger na sa sobrang nerbyos sa Puno Mohaji, iniwan ang M60MG at umuwi na!). If anyone wants to challenge this claim, let us conduct skills inventory on our soldiers and even the new graduates of the CSC. Kung sobra 50% dyan eh di marunong magbasa ng mapa at mag-navigate, di makapatama ng baril at 100-250m, di makapag-execute ng IAD siguro naman ay tanggapin dapat nating FAILURE ang ating training!

2) Team/Squad training. As expected, kung mahina ang foundation ng individual training, tigok ka rin sa Team training. How can you have an effective squad/team that will move and fight as a unit if the individual soldiers are ill-trained? How can you let them perform Patrol Base Operations, Recon and Surveillance and Link-up Operations when they had only mastered everything else EXCEPT military skills and knowledges? Marami nga sundalo natin, nagretire na lang, di pa rin natuto ng Troop Leading Procedures!

3) Unit training. Same as Para 2. In addition, during training sessions, ayaw sumali ang ibang officers kasi "alam na raw nila". Damuho, let us lead by good example! How can we conduct a company level training if as a Company Commander, you are gallivanting in SM Megamall? Kung nangyayari ito sa Company level, think about the Battalion Level training. Yong office boy na Bn Commander na ayaw mag-exercise, prefer to sleep and bolahize with civilian friends than joining the training sessions. Pambihira sa Army natin ang Bn Cmdr na tunay na masigasig sa kanyang trabaho. Sa mga na-observe naming junior officers, di sosobra sa "ten little fingers".

Dami nang mga Bn Retraining na declared as "success" daw sa After Training Report. Ewan lang kung totoo. Those who are directly involved should know better. Kung ang palagay mo magaling na ang mga sundalo at unit mo, syempre ayaw mo na mag conduct ng sustainment training. Magsasabong at sumapi ka na lng kapatiran siguro para maging busy ka.

These are problems that everyone must help to come up with a solution. Nasa ating mga opisyal ang kinabukasan ng ating Armed Forces at pati na rin sa ating bansa. Hoooooah!

Lorenz_Mallari - August 29, 2007 04:19 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (judiel28 @ Aug 24 2007, 03:42 PM)
QUOTE (kopinux @ Aug 23 2007, 09:43 AM)
this is the philippine army's weapons of war!
this is it... only it

user posted image

might as well give the simba to the pnp
user posted image

Kaya ba tayong ipagtangol ng mga yan laban sa ibang bansa.......

wala pa tayo sa kalingkingan nang armed forces ng ibang bansa

jedi knight - August 29, 2007 05:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lorenz_Mallari @ Aug 29 2007, 12:19 PM)
QUOTE (judiel28 @ Aug 24 2007, 03:42 PM)
QUOTE (kopinux @ Aug 23 2007, 09:43 AM)
this is the philippine army's weapons of war!
this is it... only it

user posted image

might as well give the simba to the pnp
user posted image

Kaya ba tayong ipagtangol ng mga yan laban sa ibang bansa.......

wala pa tayo sa kalingkingan nang armed forces ng ibang bansa

bok;

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sgtbilko - August 29, 2007 01:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (adroth @ Aug 24 2007, 04:30 PM)

Why spend on weapons targeted at theoretical external enemies when we don't even have enough equipment to address the immediate threat -- which is primarily internal?

I 100% agree with you adroth.

We should concentrate our resources on internal threats. once internal threats are neutralized, our economy will grow, then its time to upgrade our external defenses.

Even if we put all our budget now on external defenses, it will be futile. Tiny Singapore or Taiwan can own us easily. 2 F-16's can wipe out our entire airforce, and 1 squadron of attack choppers can eliminate our entire armor division probably even without casualty. The rebels would probably stand more of a chance using their guerilla warefare tactics.





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