Check this;

This is perfect for the SAF, SWAT and the RMG manning checkpoints all over the country.

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=4320

With barako and V-150 our police man will be well protected same as the army do and survive rebel ambushcade....

As per pichanad in the SAF Thread they have these:

In addition, they still got those old PC weapons carrier turned gun truck and is still very much active in Sulu.

The choppers are really needed by the PNP for counter-tero operations.

The MX8 AEVs are necessary for areas vulnerable to NPA attacks. Also every provincial jails should have these. So, not only the PNP but the BJMP should have these.

Remember, the Davao Penal Farm raid? The NPA carted away about a hundred of high-powered firearms there.

Even the Basilan Provincial Jails have been attacked several times already.

The MX8's current design will improve as time goes by. Later on, better armor, better weapons, better surveillance equipments, RCWS and other electronic equipments.

But first, we have to do our part by supporting the builders of Steelcraft penetrate the industry successfully.

Eventually, Steelcraft will have all the capability and credentials needed to build more high-tech armoured vehicles for the local market. Aside from that, Steelcraft will hit the market and provide jobs for our people.

Let's that the PNP, the DILG and Malacanang will realize this potential.

We dont have funds bro...

We have.

The only problem is that the PNP and the DILG arent doing their part in making it happen.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS FUNDS COMRADE! THE PROBLEM IS STILL CORRUPTION! SOME OF THOSE MONEY ARE ENDING AT SOME HIGH-RANKING PERSONNEL OF THE PNP'S POCKETS!

IF THE GOVERNMENT (PNP/SAF) HAVE NO FUNDS THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THOSE HIGH-END VEHICLES AS WHAT COMRADE PICHANAD HAD SAID (SEE SAVER111'S COMMENT)...

Anybody got photos of the PNP-SAF armored cars in a checkpoint near NLEX? just before the cloverleaf intersection. (southbound)

There was another police staion that was raided by teh NPA.

Around 20 high-powered rfiles like M16 were carted away.

This wont stop.

HINDI KASI MATUTUO ANG PNP.

AYAW MAGTANDA at MAGHANDA.

What if you buy more AEV like these;



Lagyan niyo rin lahat ng checkpoints nito sa probinsiya.

Tama iyan. Huwag muna pagkabalahan walang kwentang proyekto niyo. Ayusin niyo muna mga staions niyo.

MARAMI NA KAYONG GAMIT NA NAWAWALA DAHIL LABAS PASOK ANG NPA SA MGA BAHAY NIYO MISMO PARA MAKAKULIMBAT NG ARMAS.

tsk tsk tsk.

nice camo, good thing the pnp-saf can update their camo suits.

http://www.swattrucks.com/info/BEARCAT-info.pdf

http://www.armoredtrucks.com/

http://www.armoredbearcat.com/

Police turn to armored vehicles as crime deterrent

Increasingly, police around the country are adding a new weapon to their crime-fighting arsenal: armored vehicles.

Unlike conventional squad cars, armored vehicles have the ability to serve as command and control centers, and can be used to create a more imposing presence in situations requiring intense crowd control.

The New York Police Department deployed several armored vehicles during the 2004 Republican Convention to assure the safety of delegates and minimize the impact of large protests on the flow of traffic around Manhattan.

Many smaller police departments, in towns and cities as diverse as Austin, TX; Louisville, KY; Nashville, TN; and Pittsburgh, PA, have acquired armored vehicles to use for everything from serving subpoenas, to making drug busts, to patrolling high-crime neighborhoods.

"The show of force sends a message," said one police officer.

It can be an expensive proposition, but many police departments rely on DHS funding to pay for all or most of the cost.

Major American armored vehicle manufacturers include Lenco, Inc., of Pittsfield, MA, which produces the BearCat, and Textron Inc., whose Marine & Land division based in Slidell, LA, manufactures the Armored Security Vehicle (ASV).

The Lenco BearCat is a 15,000-pound vehicle, featuring a blast resistant body, armored rotating roof hatch and gun ports. It has room enough to hold a 10-member SWAT team, and, with a 310 horsepower engine, can travel at sustained speeds of up to 85 mph.

Most police departments have traditionally relied on the Ford Crown Victoria as the squad car of choice. Fully equipped, the price per unit hovers around $45,000. By contrast, armored vehicles being used by police departments around the U.S. carry a base price ranging between $150,000 and $300,000.

Security features can add significantly to cost. For example, the $159,000 base price for the Lenco BearCat can grow to almost $200,000 when the latest security features are incorporated, including half-inch-thick armored plating and 2-1/2-inch-thick bulletproof glass windows.

Manufacturers say that the relatively high cost is a result of the fact that most such armored vehicles are custom made to meet each police department's specific requirements.

Lenco, which is the largest producer in the U.S., has manufactured more than 4,000 vehicles now in use in more than 30 countries. In addition to the popular BearCat, its product line includes the B.E.A.R. (Ballistic Engineered And Response/Rescue) SWAT truck and the ProCat Professional Armored Transporter.

Police departments have much to choose from. There are now more than 20 major armored vehicle manufacturers and exporters worldwide. But as with military procurements, police departments are subject to a variety of laws governing purchases, which can preclude some foreign manufacturers for political or economic reasons, unless their product contains a certain percentage of American-made parts, or is produced by a "friendly" trade partner.

Some police departments find that even a fleet of armored vehicles is not impressive enough in certain security situations. When the NYPD needs to show real muscle, it can call out a tank, named "Anytime Baby."

http://www.gsnmagazine.com/cms/market-segm...al-govt/30.html

China has it too.

There are two types that we can consider.

One is for escort roles or for manning checkpoints and securing vital facilities.

The Barako is the perfect model.

As for the SWAT or an armored troop carrier it is the one that can carry more personnel that is selected like this one.



Kropek and Sgtbilko,

I suggest that you should consider the PNP requirements as well.

flipzi,

I'll never disagree on what you saying, add this: kapabayaan kaya napapasok ng mga terroristang NPA yung armory nila, natutulog kasi sa pansitan yung mga lintek na bantay nung station, o baka may hapi-hapi? :armyLol:

Negligence? In some cases maybe.

But in most scenarios, it's just inadequacy of troops. How can you ward off an attacking force of 30 or 100 heavily armed rebels anyway?

150 NPAs kill 1, take guns in Compostela farm raids
11/14/2007 | 09:12 AM

Sun.Star:



More than a hundred armed members of the New People's Army (NPA), clad in military uniforms, attacked and ransacked two banana plantations in Compostela Valley in broad daylight Monday.

A barangay kagawad was killed by the rebels who also carted away a cache of firearms before fleeing towards the direction of Nabuk River.

The Provincial Police Office of Compostela Valley is now conducting hot pursuit operations against the rebel group. Superintendent Ronald dela Rosa has also mandated that checkpoints be installed in all entry and exit points of the province.

Reports from the Police Regional Office (PRO)-Southern Mindanao showed at least 150 armed members of the rebel group simultaneously attacked the plantations of the Compostela Plantation Incorporated, a subsidiary of the Sumitomo Fruits Incorporated, and the banana plantation of Dizon Farms at about 12:15 noon.

The group was led by one Africia "Kumander Lalayo" Alvarez Rosete and one alias Jason of the NPA's Front Committee 20.

Reports said the rebel group came on board four Isuzu Forward Trucks before attacking and disarming the guards of Compostela Plantation Incorporated, situated in Purok 6, Sitio Pilar in Barangay Mangayon in Compostela town.

The rebel group carted away five 12-gauge shotguns, four caliber .38 revolvers, and six handheld radios.

The same rebel group then proceeded to the banana plantation of Dizon Farms, a kilometer away from the plantation of Compostela Plantation Incorporated, situated in Barangay Babag in Monkayo where they seized two baby armalite rifles, five Carbine rifles, and one handheld radio. The rebels were also able to commandeer two motorcycles from the said plantation.

While the rebels were fleeing from the Dizon Farms, a certain Dodong Juarez was shot dead during the attack.

Juarez was later identified as one of the growers of the banana plantations in the area.

Cowardice

The military meanwhile condemned the recent rebel attack.

Major Rod Sosmeña, spokesperson of the Eastern Mindanao Command, called the said attack as an act of cowardice and a pure form of terrorism.

"They keep on victimizing our people in the countryside who are contributing to the economic development in the area through the jobs generated," Sosmeña said.

The military has long berated the NPA -- the military arm of the decades-long communist movement in the country -- as nothing more than a terror group, which has long forgone of its ideologies.

Sosmeña added that the rebels are "toying" with the human rights of the people in the far-flung villages. "They (the NPA) do not hesitate to kill anyone or have any respect for the rights of the people who get in their way," he said. - Sun.Star

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/68620/150-NPAs...tela-farm-raids

150 rebels?

NOW HOW CAN A TYPICAL POLICE UNIT CONFROTN THAT?

The solution......is more armored units PNP forces. All checkpoints must have it and reinforcement must be minutes away only with armored escorts.

Better yet.... get AIR SUPPORT. The attack choppers wil surely beat them away.

Flipzi, you had a point there, siguro kahit naging alerto din yung ating mga pulis, na-overrun pa rin dahil, dinadaan sa dami ng mga rebelde, kaya talagang kailangan ng armored vehicle ng PNP, edge din kasi yung may armored ka, I noticed that most Police stations in rebel in fested areas don't have armor kaya di takot yung mga NPA.

Correct.

Even the AFP knows that issue.

Is it true that the V-150 that rammed the Main entrance of Manila Pen took more than 2 tries to get up the stairs? Maybe the news video was edited to show the ramming done in just one try. Can anyone confirm this?

Yup, I confirm that the V150 took two tries before it could punch through the main doors. But I think its to minimize the damage done on the entrance than anything else (but that's just my opinion). Watched the coverage during the siege kasi and ilan beses inulit ulit yun.

With regards to letting the PNP have an armored vehicle medyo mixed ang reaction ko doon. I admit that it would be a great asset for the PNP to combat rebels and terrorists and whatever else (hopefully not innocent civilians) but the lack of support, training and other equipment are also factors.

Take for example most outposts or stations. They usually have radios and some vehicles but the response time is usually in question. Not to mention what shape the reinforcements would be. What may be more constructive is to send teams fashioned like the Scout Rangers to pursue and destroy those rebels relentlessly. To hell with peace talks with them as they amount to nothing naman and just give time to these rebels to reconstitute their forces and extort ordinary people. Syempre, dapat may counter-check for abusive officers of the law rin.

One of the 3 recently refurbished V-150



The common armoured vehicle we see on checkpoints

Heard each unit cost around P15M to overhaul all the parts. can anyone confirm this?

Actually, if the AFP didn't like the Kalakian and Hari-Digma prototypes, maybe the PNP can acquire them instead.

Anyway here are some photos of some japanese version of police special tactical vehicle for their SWAT team:







Im sure if filipinos can modify different type of jeepneys, why not try a similar 6 wheel jeep for our PNP-SAF?

Here are more interesting jap police cars that the PNP can actually get some ideas and develop their own versions of police cars:

Land Cruiser Tactical police car


Nissan Skyline police car


Subaru WRX police car

The Barako AEV can give the same support at a much less cost compared to the V150.

As for the rich cities like Makati, Manila, QC, Cebu and Davao, the Barako AEV is a good SWAT car.

For the RSAU across the country, the Barako is a good buy.

if I remember right the glass at the lobby door is about an inch thick.

the lobby entrance is also to the right of the driveway -- so hindi makakabuwelo ang V150 before ramming into the door.

kailangan ng bumwelo ang V150 kasi hindi naman tracked verhicle yan. not enough traction sa wheels to successfully crash into the thick doors and succeed.

kung MBT yan walang problema. :armyLol:

WOW! Is that a stretched Toyota megacruiser?

Kinda looks like a H2 on steroids! :specool:

Surprising. I was thinking about the M134 on our SWAT car.

I would suggest putting the M134 Gatling on out MX8 AEV. Then use it as our SWAT car.

The idea is that the M134's high firing rate will surely neutralize the criminals (bank robbers) fast enough.

The faster we neuitralize them, the lesser the chances of civilians getting hit in the crossfires and less damage on property.

I SUPPORT THE USE OF THE 7.62MM "MINIGUN".

Nonetheless, security measures should be put in place in keeping and operating this vehicle to prevent the bad guys form using it to gurt innocent people. Access to the car must be secured and the ammo must only be loaded when the need arises and with the approval of the police commander. The ammo must be kept in a secure place as well. Access should be secured.

Have you ever heard the term "collateral damage"? Can you just imagine if this weapon is unleashed in a financial district such as Ortigas and Makati just to neutralize the bank robbers? I would say is the cure is worse than the sickness in this scenario.

I have considered that.

Actually, the collateral damage is mainly inflicted by the criminals since they simply shoot aimlessly just to get the public in panic. The panic will act as their shield.

With the M134, once the robber's get away vehicle is located and the criminals are onboard or are using it as a shield, the MX8 with its M134 can easily knock out the threat in "seconds".

The idea is the longer the criminals stay standing, the greater the collateral damage.

The quicker they are neutralized, the lesser the lives and property are risked.

Theoretically yes, but are the names of the criminals written on the bullets that are to be used? Thie type of weapon has a high rate of fire so there are chances that bullets would go astray, then that's where the problem lies.

Unless of course if you have "smart bullets" that can pinpoint friends and foes, then I'm for it.

you have a good point. in fact, that's my biggest concern as well.

nonetheless, we can put smartness into the bullets by putting the right man behind the gun.

no matter how smart the gunner is, at that rate of fire in a commercial and business district, there would be collateral damage either loss of lives or damage to property.

IMHO, it is not a suitable weapon platform in that type of situation.

PNP adds armored fighting vehicles for internal security
10/07/2008 | 05:05 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine National Police has added nine armored fighting vehicles to boost its tactical capability in anti-criminality and anti-insurgency operations.

An article on the PNP website said PNP chief Dir. Gen. Jesus Verzosa turned over the nine refurbished V-150 vehicles to the Special Action Force (SAF) in Bicutan, Taguig City.

"These fighting vehicles, in a large measure, will give a big boost to our anti-criminality and internal security operations especially in situations where the SAF is called-in to provide tactical support," Verzosa said.

He cited the recent tactical offensive of SAF in Compostela Valley where it overran two main camps of the New People's Army (NPA).

But he said the mission would have been completed much earlier had there been light armor support to back the ground troops.

"With these new equipment and the awesome firepower, maneuverability and armor protection it provides to our fighting men in the field, the PNP is now in a better and more advantageous position to perform the role and responsibility in internal security operations as contained in Executive Order 546," Verzosa said.

Made in the US by Cadillac Gage,the V-150 fighting vehicles have been in service in the country's police and military forces since the 1980s.

Recently, the PNP refurbished some unserviceable units in its fleet under the V-150 Rehabilitation Program of the PNP Logistics Support Service (LSS).

LSS Director Chief Supt. Teodorico Lapuz IV said 13 V-150 units have been refurbished, restored and re-fitted to its original condition and technical specifications.

He said they are currently in service with the SAF, Regional Mobile Groups, and other PNP Operational Support Units.

The LSS has also refurbished other types of tactical and support vehicles in the PNP fleet such as the M35 6x6 trucks, Hummer multi-purpose vehicles, and troop carriers, Lapuz said. - GMANews.TV

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/125498/PNP-add...ternal-security

:thumb:

9 V150s should make the SAF the equivalent of a mechanized regiment :ssalute: I wonder who got the contract for the refurbishment or was it done in-house?

so I take it that the vehicles were restored like new, maybe the AFP learn some lessons from the PNP armor restoration.

I think the PNP learned a lesson from the AFP :armywink:

Upgraded Marine V150 rolls out

Upgrade program for Philippine Army V-150s

PMC Ambulance

Photo from the Philippine Star News Bulletin, philstar.com



Fellows;

Isnt that the V150 is phased out variant?

Where did they get these vehicles?

Did the AFP just simply gave these away?

Nice move by the PNP on these project nonetheless. :thumb:

Refurbished from their old stocks. Remember, the old PC-INP was part of the AFP then. They used to have them in Khaki or chocolate brown colors.

Ayus ah! May stroke lights pa on top of the turrets!

It also seems they put the airconditioning condensers on top of the armor (rear side) to fix the heat problem. nice job! :thumb:

Hmm. Does anyone know how much the PNP spent to fix these vehicles?

The V150 can be augmented with the Barako AEV.

The armored units are not only needed in MIndanao in all areas infested by NPA rebels like Mindoro, Negros, Bikol, Panay.

The NPA can never overpower the PNP if the latter has it.

Else, the NPA will dare sustain the fight.

:armyeek:



Just imagining the Barako...