Title: Indonesian aircraft maker is bankrupt
adroth - October 18, 2007 05:03 PM (GMT)
Let us learn from Indonesia's experience.
PROGRESSIVE THINKERS learn from the mistakes of others . . . and do not make the same mistakes themselves.
There is a reason why Singapore, a country that is far better run than the Philippines, hasn't even bothered trying to make their own aircraft. Instead, they focus on rehabilitation, and joint ventures with other aircraft makers.
=== ~~~ ===
State aircraft maker declared bankrupt
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly...id=20070905.@01
Tony Hotland and Yuli Tri Suwarni, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta, Bandung
State-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara (PTDI) was on Monday declared bankrupt by Indonesia's commercial court system.
The court said PTDI was on the verge of demise and had several long-overdue debts but PTDI said it would appeal to the Supreme Court.
The company said its defense would continue to be that it was still operating and had orders from overseas that would see it through to at least 2017.
<Edited>
The court also saw the company had outstanding debts to other creditors including Bank Mandiri at Rp 125 billion, as well as individuals Supriadi Jasa at Rp 79 million and Neli Ratna Sari at Rp 15 million.
The court found the company's defense was baseless.
<Edited>
A pioneer in Asia's aviation industry, PTDI was set up as PT Industri Pesawat Terbang Nurtanio in 1976 with then-research and technology minister BJ Habibie as president director.
PROGRESSIVE THINKERS learn from the mistakes of others . . . and do not make the same mistakes themselves.
There is a reason why Singapore, a country that is far better run than the Philippines, hasn't even bothered trying to make their own aircraft. Instead, they focus on rehabilitation, and joint ventures with other aircraft makers.
=== ~~~ ===
State aircraft maker declared bankrupt
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly...id=20070905.@01
Tony Hotland and Yuli Tri Suwarni, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta, Bandung
State-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara (PTDI) was on Monday declared bankrupt by Indonesia's commercial court system.
The court said PTDI was on the verge of demise and had several long-overdue debts but PTDI said it would appeal to the Supreme Court.
The company said its defense would continue to be that it was still operating and had orders from overseas that would see it through to at least 2017.
<Edited>
The court also saw the company had outstanding debts to other creditors including Bank Mandiri at Rp 125 billion, as well as individuals Supriadi Jasa at Rp 79 million and Neli Ratna Sari at Rp 15 million.
The court found the company's defense was baseless.
<Edited>
A pioneer in Asia's aviation industry, PTDI was set up as PT Industri Pesawat Terbang Nurtanio in 1976 with then-research and technology minister BJ Habibie as president director.
spearhead - October 19, 2007 12:07 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (adroth @ Oct 19 2007, 01:03 AM) |
| Let us learn from Indonesia's experience. PROGRESSIVE THINKERS learn from the mistakes of others . . . and do not make the same mistakes themselves. There is a reason why Singapore, a country that is far better run than the Philippines, hasn't even bothered trying to make their own aircraft. Instead, they focus on rehabilitation, and joint ventures with other aircraft makers. === ~~~ === State aircraft maker declared bankrupt http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly...id=20070905.@01 Tony Hotland and Yuli Tri Suwarni, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta, Bandung State-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara (PTDI) was on Monday declared bankrupt by Indonesia's commercial court system. The court said PTDI was on the verge of demise and had several long-overdue debts but PTDI said it would appeal to the Supreme Court. The company said its defense would continue to be that it was still operating and had orders from overseas that would see it through to at least 2017. <Edited> The court also saw the company had outstanding debts to other creditors including Bank Mandiri at Rp 125 billion, as well as individuals Supriadi Jasa at Rp 79 million and Neli Ratna Sari at Rp 15 million. The court found the company's defense was baseless. <Edited> A pioneer in Asia's aviation industry, PTDI was set up as PT Industri Pesawat Terbang Nurtanio in 1976 with then-research and technology minister BJ Habibie as president director. |
Ofcourse, but that doesn't mean we are not capable of developing our own aircrafts and we're not indonesians in the first place, sure we can make some difference.
Dreamrider - October 19, 2007 12:14 AM (GMT)
Any chance we can acquire the tools and templates for its products? :armysmile:
Just being optimistic here, who knows us Filipinos could operate an aircraft-making enterprise better than the Indons.
Just being optimistic here, who knows us Filipinos could operate an aircraft-making enterprise better than the Indons.
spearhead - October 19, 2007 12:48 AM (GMT)
Oh yes its all possible basta kung gugustuhin lang ng ating mga lawmakers sa gobyerno and support that wonderful idea.
We are proud to be the progressive thinking Filipinos and we're not like those hapless, hopeless, and corrupted puny minded filipinos. (I think it has something to do too with my chinese and spanish blood that runs through my veins hehehe...)
I hope mang adroth will join us one day. :armycheers:
We are proud to be the progressive thinking Filipinos and we're not like those hapless, hopeless, and corrupted puny minded filipinos. (I think it has something to do too with my chinese and spanish blood that runs through my veins hehehe...)
I hope mang adroth will join us one day. :armycheers:
adroth - October 19, 2007 01:44 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dreamrider @ Oct 18 2007, 04:14 PM) |
| Just being optimistic here, who knows us Filipinos could operate an aircraft-making enterprise better than the Indons. |
The key question we really ought to ask ourselves is: "Should we?"
Manufacturing capability is not the real issue. The point to ponder the viability of the market.
Take the Rooikvalk. The helicopter was manufactured and successfully went into service. But in the end, the program was still an expensive failure because it was not a financially viable project. The only way it could be would be a success would have been if they were able to export the type -- which they weren't.
The aircraft industry is saturated with establish players. Nobody wins by being second fiddle.
The Philippines should not fall into that trap, and focus on its resources on sustainable SRDP initiatives.
=== ~~~ ===
National pride should not be the primary motive for a national manufacture venture . . . it should be business sense. National pride should be a result of achievement.
When countries fall into that pit, and many have, the result is rarely ever pretty, even if they can afford it. Take the Chinese Three-Gorges dam. Canadian engineers in China actually said that building a series of smaller dams would have had less environmental impact, and have achieve the same effect if not better. Nevertheless, the Chinese government went with the headline-grabbing option . . . and are now on the way to building the largest toxic lake in the world (all of the rivers feeding into the dam's reservoir are carcinogenic -- as per a PBS documentary).
=== ~~~ ===
Sadly, there will alway be those who delude themselves into thinking that form can take the place of substance. (like some so-called "progressive thinkers". no names . . . napikon na kasi dati. :lollol: )
adrian_yamato - October 19, 2007 05:10 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (adroth @ Oct 19 2007, 09:44 AM) |
| The key question we really ought to ask ourselves is: "Should we?" Manufacturing capability is not the real issue. The point to ponder the viability of the market. Take the Rooikvalk. The helicopter was manufactured and successfully went into service. But in the end, the program was still an expensive failure because it was not a financially viable project. The only way it could be would be a success would have been if they were able to export the type -- which they weren't. The aircraft industry is saturated with establish players. Nobody wins by being second fiddle. The Philippines should not fall into that trap, and focus on its resources on sustainable SRDP initiatives. === ~~~ === National pride should not be the primary motive for a national manufacture venture . . . it should be business sense. National pride should be a result of achievement. When countries fall into that pit, and many have, the result is rarely ever pretty, even if they can afford it. Take the Chinese Three-Gorges dam. Canadian engineers in China actually said that building a series of smaller dams would have had less environmental impact, and have achieve the same effect if not better. Nevertheless, the Chinese government went with the headline-grabbing option . . . and are now on the way to building the largest toxic lake in the world (all of the rivers feeding into the dam's reservoir are carcinogenic -- as per a PBS documentary). === ~~~ === Sadly, there will alway be those who delude themselves into thinking that form can take the place of substance. (like some so-called "progressive thinkers". no names . . . napikon na kasi dati. :lollol: ) |
your correct, adroth, we should be vigilant , kaya yan ng pinoy may mga utak naman tayo :thumb:
adrian_yamato - October 19, 2007 05:14 AM (GMT)
adroth, update me on that news clip :thumb:
akimima - October 19, 2007 08:27 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (adroth @ Oct 19 2007, 01:03 AM) |
| Let us learn from Indonesia's experience. PROGRESSIVE THINKERS learn from the mistakes of others . . . and do not make the same mistakes themselves. There is a reason why Singapore, a country that is far better run than the Philippines, hasn't even bothered trying to make their own aircraft. Instead, they focus on rehabilitation, and joint ventures with other aircraft makers. === ~~~ === State aircraft maker declared bankrupt http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly...id=20070905.@01 Tony Hotland and Yuli Tri Suwarni, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta, Bandung State-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara (PTDI) was on Monday declared bankrupt by Indonesia's commercial court system. The court said PTDI was on the verge of demise and had several long-overdue debts but PTDI said it would appeal to the Supreme Court. The company said its defense would continue to be that it was still operating and had orders from overseas that would see it through to at least 2017. <Edited> The court also saw the company had outstanding debts to other creditors including Bank Mandiri at Rp 125 billion, as well as individuals Supriadi Jasa at Rp 79 million and Neli Ratna Sari at Rp 15 million. The court found the company's defense was baseless. <Edited> A pioneer in Asia's aviation industry, PTDI was set up as PT Industri Pesawat Terbang Nurtanio in 1976 with then-research and technology minister BJ Habibie as president director. |
Adroth,
IMO, the main reason why this happened is because of corruption. Indonesia, I believe has more corrupt officials than RP. Their military and government officials must have gotten lot of kick backs and thus paved the way in the bankruptcy of the aircraft manufacturer.
The lesson to be learned here is not to discourage the Philippines from embarking on a quest to produce its own aircrafts or other military hardware but to see what corruption can do to an unrealized dream. Kaso lang, the officials in RP do read and learn but never apply what they should have learned.
Also, I have worked in Singapore for 5 years and have toured the country from tip to tip and maybe the reason why Singapore is hesitant to produce its own line of planes is because of lack of space. Singapore is a very small country. From what I can estimate, the size of the country is about the distance from San Jose California unto the boundary edge of Sacramento California about more or less 2 1/2 hours drive from tip to tip without traffic of course. Remember Singapore has to use the air space of neighboring countries to conduct training for its pilots. Also when fabricating air crafts you do need quite a bit of space to layout your assembly line and that alone will really eat up a substantial and valuable space. Also you would need air space to test the planes.
If the Philippines can just lessen or do away with graft and corruption, I can say yes, the Philippines can become a place to develop aircraft of its own given the larger land and airspace the country is blessed with.
jvelarde - October 20, 2007 01:26 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (adroth @ Oct 19 2007, 09:44 AM) |
| The key question we really ought to ask ourselves is: "Should we?" Manufacturing capability is not the real issue. The point to ponder the viability of the market. Take the Rooikvalk. The helicopter was manufactured and successfully went into service. But in the end, the program was still an expensive failure because it was not a financially viable project. The only way it could be would be a success would have been if they were able to export the type -- which they weren't. The aircraft industry is saturated with establish players. Nobody wins by being second fiddle. The Philippines should not fall into that trap, and focus on its resources on sustainable SRDP initiatives. === ~~~ === National pride should not be the primary motive for a national manufacture venture . . . it should be business sense. National pride should be a result of achievement. When countries fall into that pit, and many have, the result is rarely ever pretty, even if they can afford it. Take the Chinese Three-Gorges dam. Canadian engineers in China actually said that building a series of smaller dams would have had less environmental impact, and have achieve the same effect if not better. Nevertheless, the Chinese government went with the headline-grabbing option . . . and are now on the way to building the largest toxic lake in the world (all of the rivers feeding into the dam's reservoir are carcinogenic -- as per a PBS documentary). === ~~~ === Sadly, there will alway be those who delude themselves into thinking that form can take the place of substance. (like some so-called "progressive thinkers". no names . . . napikon na kasi dati. :lollol: ) |
I agree with you 100% Adroth!
The Philippines does not have any technical ability to produce an aircraft so we should not go this route. It would be better if we tried to improve the education of our kids. Let us learn from Indonesia's bitter experience.
B. J. Habibie, Minister of Technology and Research of Indonesia from 1978 to 1998, wanted Indonesia to leapfrog from a Third World country to a First World, industrialized country. Being an aerospace engineer, he naturally wanted Indonesia to have its own domestic aircraft manufacturing program.
With the blessings of his boss (Suharto), Indonesia spent at least $ 2 billion to develop the N-250. Critics, both domestic and international, derided the plane as a (flying) white elephant. The World Bank was not too pleased with this project.
The N-250 was a commercial turboprop that did fly in 1995. The Indons then tried to market this plane to the world. The problem was nobody bought the plane!
Why would anyone buy this unknown turboprop from a poor, third-world country when you can buy a similar plane from the US, Canada, Brazil, Sweden, etc. with a good track record? :dunno:
The only overseas interest came from Malaysia where a proposal was made to swap Malaysian-made Proton cars for Indonesian N-250's. This deal never made it past the paper stage.
Hmmm, would Indonesia have bartered N-250's for Philippine Sarao jeepneys? :armyLol:
Then the 1997 Asian Financial crisis hit. The Indonesian rupiah, which was about 2600 to the US $ 1 (roughly on par with the Philippine centavo), devalued and devalued till it reached about 22,000 rupiah to the US dollar. It was as if the Philippine peso went down to P 220 to the US dollar!
The Indonesian economy also went on a nose-dive, there were riots on the streets of Jakarta, foreign investors fled and Suharto, who had been in power for more than 30 years, had to relinquish his throne in 1998.
BJ Habibie, who was then the Vice President, succeeded Suharto briefly for about a year. The N-250, along with Habibie's dreams of "leap-frogging" Indonesia to industrialization, died after Habibie left office.
pj_aranda - October 28, 2007 02:08 PM (GMT)
look at embraer, they are relatively successful at the short/mid range airline business and yet the only significant military airplane they made is the tucano
israeli - November 25, 2007 12:04 AM (GMT)
Supreme Court Quashes Dirgantara Indonesia Bankruptcy Ruling
(Source: Dirgantara Indonesia; issued Oct. 25, 2007)
defense-aerospace.com
The Supreme Court has accepted the appeal filed by PT Dirgantara Indonesia over the Commercial Court’s recent bankruptcy ruling against the state-owned Dirgantara. The decision was made by a panel of justice lead by Mariana Sutadi. On 4 September 2007 the company was declared bankrupt as the Commercial Court said it had several long-overdue debts.
Mariana Sutadi said Dirgantara Indonesia is a state-owned company and it is financialized by the government. As a limited liability company (Ltd., Inc.) Dirgantara Indonesia has two shareholders, Minister of Finance and State Minister for State Enterprises. Under the existing bankruptcy law (Bankruptcy Constitution no. 37/2004) Minister of Finance is the only party that is allowed to take a state-owned company to the bankruptcy court. It had also been considered by the panel of the judges that Dirgantara Indonesia was among the state’s most vital companies.
Dirgantara Indonesia welcomes the verdict as it leads the company to keep running business and continue the programs that have been conducted such as : CN-235 aircraft MPA version production for Indonesian Army, NBELL-412 production for Indonesian Maritime, Airbus aircraft components (A320 and A321), Bombardier aircraft components (Canada), Boeing 777 components, weapon system for Indonesian Defence, aircraft modification and maintenance for domestic and foreign airliners, and the plan to release CN-235NG which is a modification of CN-235.
Today, Dirgantara Indonesia is trying to get back its customer’s trust and its delayed customers. In the near future Dirgantara Indonesia will take part in the bid of supplying CN-235 aircraft in Korea.
On the delivery of CN-235 modification aircraft to Burkina Faso Air Force in Bandung, West Java, 13 September 2007, Col. Pale Naba, the Chief, said that the quality and the cost of Dirgantara Indonesia products are reliable. And to build Burkino Faso Defence System, he has planned to have cooperative operation with Dirgantara Indonesia so that he expects the dispute the company was facing will soon find the way out.
(Source: Dirgantara Indonesia; issued Oct. 25, 2007)
defense-aerospace.com
The Supreme Court has accepted the appeal filed by PT Dirgantara Indonesia over the Commercial Court’s recent bankruptcy ruling against the state-owned Dirgantara. The decision was made by a panel of justice lead by Mariana Sutadi. On 4 September 2007 the company was declared bankrupt as the Commercial Court said it had several long-overdue debts.
Mariana Sutadi said Dirgantara Indonesia is a state-owned company and it is financialized by the government. As a limited liability company (Ltd., Inc.) Dirgantara Indonesia has two shareholders, Minister of Finance and State Minister for State Enterprises. Under the existing bankruptcy law (Bankruptcy Constitution no. 37/2004) Minister of Finance is the only party that is allowed to take a state-owned company to the bankruptcy court. It had also been considered by the panel of the judges that Dirgantara Indonesia was among the state’s most vital companies.
Dirgantara Indonesia welcomes the verdict as it leads the company to keep running business and continue the programs that have been conducted such as : CN-235 aircraft MPA version production for Indonesian Army, NBELL-412 production for Indonesian Maritime, Airbus aircraft components (A320 and A321), Bombardier aircraft components (Canada), Boeing 777 components, weapon system for Indonesian Defence, aircraft modification and maintenance for domestic and foreign airliners, and the plan to release CN-235NG which is a modification of CN-235.
Today, Dirgantara Indonesia is trying to get back its customer’s trust and its delayed customers. In the near future Dirgantara Indonesia will take part in the bid of supplying CN-235 aircraft in Korea.
On the delivery of CN-235 modification aircraft to Burkina Faso Air Force in Bandung, West Java, 13 September 2007, Col. Pale Naba, the Chief, said that the quality and the cost of Dirgantara Indonesia products are reliable. And to build Burkino Faso Defence System, he has planned to have cooperative operation with Dirgantara Indonesia so that he expects the dispute the company was facing will soon find the way out.
City Hunter - November 29, 2007 10:31 PM (GMT)
We definitely should develop and market our own aircrafts. Yet learn from the mistakes of those who failed into such venture.
If you are to examine how such failed you can note that it depends highly on political and marketing strategy. South Africa could make a sale of its attack helicopter if it would close its eye on who the buyer is. Take for example how Israel used its knowledge in this field to sell China some of its technology. Another example would be the French. They sell to anyone with the dineros - the French ships to Taiwan and the French technology and whatever to China. So, it really doesn't mean that the failure of such is due to simple reasons but to a series of complex ones. Another would be the Americans selling their hardware both to India and Pakistan. And they supplied things to Iraq too yet secretly gave Iran some in exchange for hostages and considerations. China is doing the same thing too by supplying the small warring states back then in defragmented Eastern Europe and Africa with its hardware while it seeked technology there - used for its advanced generation aircraft. North Korea was able to feed itself (well, its corrupt leaders and military mostly) by selling hardware to whoever can and wants it.
If one is to opine such types as failures then consider the maker of the Mirage. It has failed to market its newest aircraft to others and yet is still surviving. The thing would be is awareness and adaptability to survive. That is basic business sense. Couple with a strong political and nationalistic support it could survive despite the situation. Another example would be the US companies. Since they cannot survive alone they merged with one another. Becoming smaller yet more efficient. If such can be done by our local businessmen on some of their ventures then it can be applied as well to our aviation industry (and so with others). Take for example the SM founder. He started his business with a drugstore but that got killed early on by one of the biggest name in such retail outlets. What he did was develop something and made it a name. And that name evolved even further to become a household one and envied by many. Now, his drugstore is back with a vengeance and is giving that same business that killed his original one a serious fight today. Such effort and attitude can be applied to make our aviation dreams come true.
Can the Philippines make it? Definitely but it isn't the time to do an all out effort for such. The idea to do it step by step has long been introduced here. This way we can slowly but surely develop well our base. But before that first step can be made we have to have a good and strong political foundation. The current one is only bent on its survival and nothing more.
If you are to examine how such failed you can note that it depends highly on political and marketing strategy. South Africa could make a sale of its attack helicopter if it would close its eye on who the buyer is. Take for example how Israel used its knowledge in this field to sell China some of its technology. Another example would be the French. They sell to anyone with the dineros - the French ships to Taiwan and the French technology and whatever to China. So, it really doesn't mean that the failure of such is due to simple reasons but to a series of complex ones. Another would be the Americans selling their hardware both to India and Pakistan. And they supplied things to Iraq too yet secretly gave Iran some in exchange for hostages and considerations. China is doing the same thing too by supplying the small warring states back then in defragmented Eastern Europe and Africa with its hardware while it seeked technology there - used for its advanced generation aircraft. North Korea was able to feed itself (well, its corrupt leaders and military mostly) by selling hardware to whoever can and wants it.
If one is to opine such types as failures then consider the maker of the Mirage. It has failed to market its newest aircraft to others and yet is still surviving. The thing would be is awareness and adaptability to survive. That is basic business sense. Couple with a strong political and nationalistic support it could survive despite the situation. Another example would be the US companies. Since they cannot survive alone they merged with one another. Becoming smaller yet more efficient. If such can be done by our local businessmen on some of their ventures then it can be applied as well to our aviation industry (and so with others). Take for example the SM founder. He started his business with a drugstore but that got killed early on by one of the biggest name in such retail outlets. What he did was develop something and made it a name. And that name evolved even further to become a household one and envied by many. Now, his drugstore is back with a vengeance and is giving that same business that killed his original one a serious fight today. Such effort and attitude can be applied to make our aviation dreams come true.
Can the Philippines make it? Definitely but it isn't the time to do an all out effort for such. The idea to do it step by step has long been introduced here. This way we can slowly but surely develop well our base. But before that first step can be made we have to have a good and strong political foundation. The current one is only bent on its survival and nothing more.
City Hunter - November 29, 2007 10:58 PM (GMT)
And we have produced our own aircraft too already! We have done it way before our neighbors got theirs off the drawing board. The major problem is the lack of support plus complex political kowtowing here. That - plus the corruption and talangka mentality of many here - is what is keeping this country in the pits.
spearhead - November 30, 2007 12:31 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (City Hunter @ Nov 30 2007, 06:58 AM) |
| And we have produced our own aircraft too already! We have done it way before our neighbors got theirs off the drawing board. The major problem is the lack of support plus complex political kowtowing here. That - plus the corruption and talangka mentality of many here - is what is keeping this country in the pits. |
Really? Which aircraft? Was it during the Marcos time? :ssalute:
City Hunter - November 30, 2007 01:25 PM (GMT)
Check out what IST did. They aren't impressive aircrafts as what most of us would see it today but they are good enough to support our military and civic needs. Several schools and universities also developed theirs although were not able to follow it up with better ones due to the lack of support.
Elraen - December 7, 2007 06:53 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (spearhead @ Oct 19 2007, 08:07 AM) |
| [QUOTE=adroth,Oct 19 2007, 01:03 AM] ... and we're not indonesians in the first place, sure we can make some difference. |
I was quite sure they told me we had indonasians coming to our country along with malaysians and negritos back in gradeschool. :devilwink:
pj_aranda - December 25, 2007 04:19 PM (GMT)
As far as I an recall in the news for the last 12 years nakapag fabricate yeas and then some indigenous designs pero if we start reviving our aerospace industry we should start with what we have like making indigenous spares and wing modifications for our small fixed wing assets to improve aerodynamic performance
keboiwa - June 23, 2008 06:57 PM (GMT)
Hi I am a newbie here please forgive me if I make any mistake, tahnks.
PT DI still alive and kicking
http://www.indonesian-aerospace.com/about/
CN-235-MPA FOR INDONESIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY
Indonesia needs a high-tech operational marine equipment to monitor the situation at its sea and to save its territory.
On Friday, 6 June 2008, Dirgantara Indonesia delivers a unit of CN-235-220 M MPA configuration, an aircraft with special mission and modern equipment to save Indonesian territory, to Indonesian Defence Ministry in Jakarta. The delivery is personally signed by Dirgantara President, Budi Santoso and General Director of Indonesian Defence Facility, Mayor General Eris Herryanto and Indonesian Airforce Logistics Assistant, Mayor General Imam Wahyudi.
Budi Santoso says the special missioned aircraft is completed with modern equipment that is for coast patrol on Indonesian territorial waters. For tracking and monitoring tasks, on the aircraft are installed a maritime tracking radar and a multi function radar type Ocean Master 100 MK II. While a storm scope guided with ESM type Vigile 200 is installed for detecting electro magnetic content during the maritime detection. The equipment for those military configuration for coast patrol are France Thales Airborne System products. Such aircraft are required by Asian countries with border coasts, such as Malaysian, Brunei Darussalam, South Korean and some Middle East countries.
PT DI still alive and kicking
http://www.indonesian-aerospace.com/about/
CN-235-MPA FOR INDONESIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY
Indonesia needs a high-tech operational marine equipment to monitor the situation at its sea and to save its territory.
On Friday, 6 June 2008, Dirgantara Indonesia delivers a unit of CN-235-220 M MPA configuration, an aircraft with special mission and modern equipment to save Indonesian territory, to Indonesian Defence Ministry in Jakarta. The delivery is personally signed by Dirgantara President, Budi Santoso and General Director of Indonesian Defence Facility, Mayor General Eris Herryanto and Indonesian Airforce Logistics Assistant, Mayor General Imam Wahyudi.
Budi Santoso says the special missioned aircraft is completed with modern equipment that is for coast patrol on Indonesian territorial waters. For tracking and monitoring tasks, on the aircraft are installed a maritime tracking radar and a multi function radar type Ocean Master 100 MK II. While a storm scope guided with ESM type Vigile 200 is installed for detecting electro magnetic content during the maritime detection. The equipment for those military configuration for coast patrol are France Thales Airborne System products. Such aircraft are required by Asian countries with border coasts, such as Malaysian, Brunei Darussalam, South Korean and some Middle East countries.
Frenzy - June 27, 2008 03:01 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| Budi Santoso says the special missioned aircraft is completed with modern equipment that is for coast patrol on Indonesian territorial waters. For tracking and monitoring tasks, on the aircraft are installed a maritime tracking radar and a multi function radar type Ocean Master 100 MK II. While a storm scope guided with ESM type Vigile 200 is installed for detecting electro magnetic content during the maritime detection. The equipment for those military configuration for coast patrol are France Thales Airborne System products. Such aircraft are required by Asian countries with border coasts, such as Malaysian, Brunei Darussalam, South Korean and some Middle East countries. |
keboiwa, any idea about the price of this Indonesian MPA based on the CN235?
keboiwa - June 27, 2008 03:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Frenzy @ Jun 27 2008, 11:01 AM) |
| keboiwa, any idea about the price of this Indonesian MPA based on the CN235? |
I have no idea how much it is cost, but I think the price more competitive than the spanish version
paratorpe - July 4, 2008 01:25 AM (GMT)
There you have it. Someones wrong again.
keboiwa - July 5, 2008 01:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Frenzy @ Jun 27 2008, 11:01 AM) |
| keboiwa, any idea about the price of this Indonesian MPA based on the CN235? |
I have just found out the price of the MPA but unfortunately the link is in Bahasa Indonesia. The price tag only US$ 30 million for MPA and US$ 13.9 million for passanger variant.
link;
http://www.sinarharapan.co.id/berita/0807/03/sh07.html
keboiwa - August 14, 2008 12:08 PM (GMT)
PT DI developing a national light attack helicopter
keboiwa - August 14, 2008 12:26 PM (GMT)
PT DI development on a N-219 (a 19 seater twin engines comercial aircraft)still on the wind tunnel testing stage. If everything going according plan, PT DI hope ready to deliver the aircraft to the customer in 3-4 year.
link:http://www.antara.co.id/arc/2008/8/11/rancangan-pesawat-n-219-uji-terowongan/
link:http://www.antara.co.id/arc/2008/8/11/rancangan-pesawat-n-219-uji-terowongan/
keboiwa - August 15, 2008 12:13 AM (GMT)
PT Dirgantara to Produce 10.000 FFAR Rockets
PT Dirgantara Indonesia this year will be producing at least 10.000 Fin Folding Aerial Rockets (FFAR) to meet the Defense Ministry requirement in giving priority procuring arms of local-made.
According to Agus Eddy, general manager for defense products, these type of rockets has been in use by the Indonesian military since 1981. There are three types, MK60 with a diameter of 100 mm, MK4 and MK40 with 67 mm diameter. In the Indonesian Air Force, the rockets are part of fighter jet weaponry.
Productions of year 1981 were under license from Force de Zeeburg of Belgium. "At later stage we make some modifications which enable us to produce the rocket locally," said Eddy proudly.
Dirgantara Indonesia has the capacity to produce 20.000 units annually this type of rockets. It also produces multi-launcher, enabling the rockets to be launched from land and sea base platform.
PT DI Defense Division in Tasikmalaya, West Java also has the ability in producing 122 mm torpedo with range of 40 kilometers. "Most of our productions are to fulfill the needs of the Indonesian military and some are exported to several countries," Agus Eddy reveals without giving detail of the foreign countries buyers.***
PT Dirgantara Indonesia this year will be producing at least 10.000 Fin Folding Aerial Rockets (FFAR) to meet the Defense Ministry requirement in giving priority procuring arms of local-made.
According to Agus Eddy, general manager for defense products, these type of rockets has been in use by the Indonesian military since 1981. There are three types, MK60 with a diameter of 100 mm, MK4 and MK40 with 67 mm diameter. In the Indonesian Air Force, the rockets are part of fighter jet weaponry.
Productions of year 1981 were under license from Force de Zeeburg of Belgium. "At later stage we make some modifications which enable us to produce the rocket locally," said Eddy proudly.
Dirgantara Indonesia has the capacity to produce 20.000 units annually this type of rockets. It also produces multi-launcher, enabling the rockets to be launched from land and sea base platform.
PT DI Defense Division in Tasikmalaya, West Java also has the ability in producing 122 mm torpedo with range of 40 kilometers. "Most of our productions are to fulfill the needs of the Indonesian military and some are exported to several countries," Agus Eddy reveals without giving detail of the foreign countries buyers.***
keboiwa - December 31, 2008 04:33 PM (GMT)
S. Korea to Buy 4 Patrol Aircraft From Indonesia
By Jung Sung-ki
Staff Reporter
South Korea will purchase four CN235-110 aircraft from Indonesia by 2011 in efforts to strengthen its maritime patrol operations to deter Chinese vessels' illegal fishing activities and protect the islets of Dokdo in the East Sea, the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) said Tuesday.
The agency signed a contract Monday with Indonesia's PT Digantara Indonesia (PT DI), which beat out four other competitors.
The per-unit price is about $23 million, DAPA officials said.
The Korea Coast Guard commissioned the procurement program with DAPA early this year. The coast guard, which now has 15 helicopters but only one patrol plane, will use the Indonesian aircraft in conducting maritime surveillance, search-and-rescue operations, anti-terror missions and other functions, they said.
The CN-235 is a medium-range twin-turbo-prop airplane, jointly developed by Indonesia and Spain, and is widely used by a number of foreign operators for maritime patrol, surveillance and troop transport.
The CN235-110 version, equipped with advanced radar detection and thermal imaging systems, has a cruising radius of 1,100 nautical miles and can carry more than eight people.
The aircraft can simultaneously detect more than 100 targets 200 nautical miles away and operate day and night.
gallantjung@koreatimes.co.kr
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/natio.../116_37027.html
By Jung Sung-ki
Staff Reporter
South Korea will purchase four CN235-110 aircraft from Indonesia by 2011 in efforts to strengthen its maritime patrol operations to deter Chinese vessels' illegal fishing activities and protect the islets of Dokdo in the East Sea, the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) said Tuesday.
The agency signed a contract Monday with Indonesia's PT Digantara Indonesia (PT DI), which beat out four other competitors.
The per-unit price is about $23 million, DAPA officials said.
The Korea Coast Guard commissioned the procurement program with DAPA early this year. The coast guard, which now has 15 helicopters but only one patrol plane, will use the Indonesian aircraft in conducting maritime surveillance, search-and-rescue operations, anti-terror missions and other functions, they said.
The CN-235 is a medium-range twin-turbo-prop airplane, jointly developed by Indonesia and Spain, and is widely used by a number of foreign operators for maritime patrol, surveillance and troop transport.
The CN235-110 version, equipped with advanced radar detection and thermal imaging systems, has a cruising radius of 1,100 nautical miles and can carry more than eight people.
The aircraft can simultaneously detect more than 100 targets 200 nautical miles away and operate day and night.
gallantjung@koreatimes.co.kr
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/natio.../116_37027.html
mazingu - January 19, 2009 12:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (keboiwa @ Aug 14 2008, 08:08 PM) |
| PT DI developing a national light attack helicopter |
Hi sir keboiwa,
what phase is the development of this helo, is there a flying prototype already?
keboiwa - January 22, 2009 11:08 PM (GMT)
its still on early stage and no flying prototype has been tested yet. with this global economic crissis it could take even longer.
keboiwa - February 8, 2009 11:27 PM (GMT)
Dirgantara Indonesia yet to start manufacturing C-212 for Merpati
Yuli Tri Suwarni and Novia D. Rulistia , The Jakarta Post , Bandung, Jakarta | Sat, 02/16/2008 12:42 PM | Business
State-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara Indonesia (DI) is awaiting the arrival of components from Europe before manufacturing the C-212-400 light aircraft ordered by Merpati Nusantara Airlines, an official said Friday.
PT DI aircraft integration director Budi Wuraskito said a Spain-based unit of European Aeronautics Defense Space Company (EADS) would send two components, technical drawings and assembly jigs in June to PT DI headquarters in Bandung, West Java.
"We will start manufacturing the plane soon after the drawing is in our hands, as Merpati wants the first C-212-400 to be delivered by the end of 2009," Budi said in Bandung.
Last month, PT DI and Merpati signed a contract for the order of 10 C-212-400s to serve routes in eastern Indonesia, especially Nusa Tenggara and Sulawesi.
Budi said the remaining nine planes would be finished and delivered to Merpati by the end of 2010.
The 26-seater C-212-400 is the latest version of the C-212 developed by CASA-EADS NV with a price of around US$5.5 million.
Previously, EADS and PT DI signed an agreement on the relocation of the C-212 production and assembly facilities from San Pablo, Spain, to Bandung.
Budi said the market for the C-212-400 was promising as many airlines in the region had started to turn from jets to light aircraft due to high global oil prices.
"When lots of airlines turned to jets years ago, many light aircraft manufacturers collapsed. And now there are only two prominent light aircraft manufacturers in the world, ATR and Bombardier," he said.
"Our opportunity is big, as the market is still large."
For the domestic market alone, Budi said, the demand for the planes in the next 10 years would be high, as many existing similar planes were at the end of their lives.
"In Indonesia, of 96 units of the C-212-200 we produced, around 45 units are now defunct," Budi said.
This year, PT DI is targeting Rp 1 trillion in profit, up from Rp 850 billion in 2007.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/02...12-merpati.html
Yuli Tri Suwarni and Novia D. Rulistia , The Jakarta Post , Bandung, Jakarta | Sat, 02/16/2008 12:42 PM | Business
State-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara Indonesia (DI) is awaiting the arrival of components from Europe before manufacturing the C-212-400 light aircraft ordered by Merpati Nusantara Airlines, an official said Friday.
PT DI aircraft integration director Budi Wuraskito said a Spain-based unit of European Aeronautics Defense Space Company (EADS) would send two components, technical drawings and assembly jigs in June to PT DI headquarters in Bandung, West Java.
"We will start manufacturing the plane soon after the drawing is in our hands, as Merpati wants the first C-212-400 to be delivered by the end of 2009," Budi said in Bandung.
Last month, PT DI and Merpati signed a contract for the order of 10 C-212-400s to serve routes in eastern Indonesia, especially Nusa Tenggara and Sulawesi.
Budi said the remaining nine planes would be finished and delivered to Merpati by the end of 2010.
The 26-seater C-212-400 is the latest version of the C-212 developed by CASA-EADS NV with a price of around US$5.5 million.
Previously, EADS and PT DI signed an agreement on the relocation of the C-212 production and assembly facilities from San Pablo, Spain, to Bandung.
Budi said the market for the C-212-400 was promising as many airlines in the region had started to turn from jets to light aircraft due to high global oil prices.
"When lots of airlines turned to jets years ago, many light aircraft manufacturers collapsed. And now there are only two prominent light aircraft manufacturers in the world, ATR and Bombardier," he said.
"Our opportunity is big, as the market is still large."
For the domestic market alone, Budi said, the demand for the planes in the next 10 years would be high, as many existing similar planes were at the end of their lives.
"In Indonesia, of 96 units of the C-212-200 we produced, around 45 units are now defunct," Budi said.
This year, PT DI is targeting Rp 1 trillion in profit, up from Rp 850 billion in 2007.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/02...12-merpati.html
kingkong - April 29, 2009 02:33 AM (GMT)
CN-235 Military
Dirgantara Indonesia's CN-235 Military aircraft (MIL) exploits its full capabilities. Dirgantara Indonesia's experience is evident in the production line where improvements in manufacturing and engineering technology are continuously introduced to maintain the highest quality and analytic standards for the CN-235 military aircraft.
Dirgantara Indonesia :banana:
Dirgantara Indonesia's CN-235 Military aircraft (MIL) exploits its full capabilities. Dirgantara Indonesia's experience is evident in the production line where improvements in manufacturing and engineering technology are continuously introduced to maintain the highest quality and analytic standards for the CN-235 military aircraft.
Dirgantara Indonesia :banana:
keboiwa - July 12, 2009 02:24 PM (GMT)
PT DI to build CN-235 anti-submarine aircraft
Saturday, July 11, 2009 19:55 WIB
Bandung, W Java (ANTARA News) - State-owned Indonesian aircraft industry PTDI is to develop a CN-235 anti-submarine airplane which would be a new variant of its CN-235 turbo-prop aircraft, PTDI president director Budi Wuraskito said.
Wuraskito said here on Saturday Indonesia already had the needed technology and qualified human resources. "They have the experience to assemble and modify aircraft of that type," he said.
He said PTDI had enough human resources to produce anti-submarine aircraft.
About 40 PTDI engineers had been involved in the production of anti-submarine airplanes in Turkey, he said.
He said they returned to Indonesia four months ago after completing their assignment in Turkey. "We already have the technology for the production of such aircraft," he said.
PTDI was now able to design and produce the CN-235 MPA, a maritime patrol aircraft which had become one of PTDI`s most salable products.
He said PTDI would soon develop the CN-235 anti-submarine plane. A number of countries had already expressed interest in purchasing PTID`s anti-submarine products. One of them was Malaysia.
The state-owned company was also producing Bolkow-105 or NBO-105 helicopters.
Bolkow-105 or NBO-105 helicopters built by PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) are considered very suitable for combat.
Not only is the sound of the aircraft relatively low, the choppers each with a capacity for five persons, are equipped with machine guns and missiles.(*)
link:http://www.antara.co.id/en/view/?i=1247316908&c=INN&s=
keboiwa - August 17, 2009 11:27 PM (GMT)
Qatar may buy Indonesian aircraft
Qatar: Monday, August 17 - 2009 at 09:34
Indonesian Ambassador to Qatar, Rozy Munir has said that talks were underway between the countries for the sale of the CN-235 aircraft to Qatar, the Gulf Times has reported. The CN-235 is a medium-range twin-turbo-prop aircraft developed jointly by CASA (Spain) and IPTN (Indonesia) as a regional airliner and military transporter. The aircraft manufactured in Indonesia are used by the Indonesian air force.
http://www.ameinfo.com/206734.html
Qatar: Monday, August 17 - 2009 at 09:34
Indonesian Ambassador to Qatar, Rozy Munir has said that talks were underway between the countries for the sale of the CN-235 aircraft to Qatar, the Gulf Times has reported. The CN-235 is a medium-range twin-turbo-prop aircraft developed jointly by CASA (Spain) and IPTN (Indonesia) as a regional airliner and military transporter. The aircraft manufactured in Indonesia are used by the Indonesian air force.
http://www.ameinfo.com/206734.html
keboiwa - August 17, 2009 11:40 PM (GMT)
Indonesia's aircraft producer to deliver 4 planes to South Korea
Source: Xinhua [13:16 August 11 2009]
Indonesia's aircraft maker PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI) will deliver four CN-235 surveillance aircraft ordered by South Korea worth 100 million U.S. dollars in 2010, a company executive said.
"We will start delivering the four surveillance aircraft ordered by South Korea in 2010," the company's vice president for marketing and integrated aircraft sales Arie Wibowo was quoted by Antara news agency as saying Monday.
Arie said South Korea was one of the countries that had ordered CN-235s at the price of $100 million.
PT DI produces CN-235 aircraft in a variety of versions and the product was already being operated in other countries beside Indonesia and South Korea.
"South Korea is only one of the countries (operating the aircraft). Basically we have no competitors in the Asia Pacific," he said.
Countries already using CN-235s include Malaysia, Brunei Darussalam, Thailand, the Philippines, the United Arab Emirates, Pakistan and Burkina Faso.
The firm also produces Super Puma NAS-332 helicopters under a license from France's Eurocopt (Aerospatiale).
http://business.globaltimes.cn/world/2009-08/456476.html
keboiwa - August 26, 2009 08:35 PM (GMT)
C-212-400 Production Being Transferred to Indonesia
AIR FORCE NEWS — BY EDITOR ON AUGUST 5, 2009 AT 4:25 AM
NEWTOWN, Conn.: A number of changes are being put into effect regarding production responsibility for the EADS CASA C-212 transport aircraft. This past April, EADS formally merged EADS CASA Military Transport Aircraft Division (MTAD) with Airbus Military into a new business unit that assumed the name of Airbus Military. Responsibility for the C-212, which had been an MTAD product, transferred to the new unit. Within the EADS organization, the new Airbus Military is a subsidiary of commercial aircraft manufacturer Airbus. The C-212, though, continues to be marketed as the EADS CASA C-212.
The latest production version of the C-212 is the C-212-400, which is produced at Airbus Military (previously EADS CASA MTAD) facilities in Spain. However, in November 2006, EADS CASA signed a preliminary agreement with Indonesian Aerospace (IAe) regarding production and assembly of the -400 at IAe’s facilities in Bandung, Indonesia. At that time, the two firms envisioned that final assembly of C-212-400s would occur in both Indonesia and Spain.
By mid-2008, though, these plans had changed. C-212-400 production and assembly was now to be moved entirely from Spain to Indonesia. Production of the -400 by IAe is to get under way following the transfer of tooling and technologies to the company. This transfer is scheduled to be completed by January 2010.
The IAe facilities are to eventually have the capability to produce C-212-400s at a rate of about one per month. The initial IAe-produced C-212-400 is scheduled to be completed in 2011.
Under the 2006 agreement, IAe is permitted to market the transport version of the C-212-400 in Asian countries. The first firm order for an IAe-produced -400 was received in February 2009. That month, the Indonesian charter operator Airfast Indonesia signed a firm order for one -400.
In January 2008, the Indonesian carrier Merpati Nusantara Airlines signed a Memorandum of Understanding with IAe for 10 C-212-400s. The airline intends to utilize the aircraft on routes in the eastern region of Indonesia. The 10 -400s are to be built by IAe in Indonesia.
Meanwhile, IAe continues to build the NC-212-200 version. In March 2008, the company signed a contract worth approximately $7.3 million with the Indonesian charter outfit Transwisata Prima Aviation for one NC-212-200 and one NAS-332 Super Puma helicopter.
IAe has approximately seven partially complete NC-212-200s in stock, and some future orders for the -200 could be filled from these. IAe production of the -200, though, will likely be phased out over the next few years, with the company now turning its attention to the C-212-400.
http://www.defencetalk.com/c-212-400-produ...ndonesia-20907/