According to a Pulse Asia Survey, Pres. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo is the most corrupt President while former President Corazon Aquino is the least corrupt:

Mrs. Arroyo topped the list with 42 percent of respondents nationwide. Former strongman Ferdinand Marcos came second with 35 percent. Ousted president Joseph Estrada, who was convicted for plunder in September, ranked third with 16 percent.

Former presidents Fidel Ramos (5 percent) and Corazon Aquino (1 percent) were at the bottom of the list, according to the comparative governance survey.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/topofthehour.aspx?StoryId=102131

Do you agree or disagree that GMA is the most corrupt president?

Too bad Pinoy memory is as short as Arroyo.

The ZTE deal, for one, was a few hundred million dollars and didn't push through. That and the others are still peanuts compared to Marcos's loot of billions of dollars.

Corruption in the present admin is bad but Pinoys should get their history right.

Why all the better presidents we had or we have were always being accused as 'corrupt? I dont believe this. I believe this is just another bullshit. Propaganda indeed to turn down our 'good' president. :drunk:

Marcos' loot was certainly bigger because he was President for 20 years.

Imagine what GMA could amass if she would have the same number of years.

I truly believe that GMA is an honest president. wish i could say the same about her family.

during her vice presidency she use to held office at the ccp. at the pathway to her office, you could clearly see the used plastic celopane that has rugby that homeless kids snort.. it was everywhere!!! and she didnt notice or payed attention.

at that time i knew i dont like her.


but i think she works hard and tries to prove doubters wrong.
i have nothing good to say about her family. anything more than that would be unchristian :).

Our dollar reserves ballooned to 40 billion. Our exchange rate improved from 50 pesos to 40 pesos to a dollar. Economy improved during her term. If I were to choose between an economist like Gloria and a lawyer, I'd rather choose the former.

Reason for improved exchange rates between U.S. dollar and Peso is partially due to worsening economic crisis in the U.S. all of asia are now enjoying low dollar values, not just us. also, peso has been undervalued for quite some time now, peso should be having an exchange rate equal or similar to the Baht.

I am not asking pessimistic persons or detractors of Gloria Arroyo to change their views of her or dissuade them to change their personal impressions of her. Just try giving credit to her for allowing us to criticize her or 'demonize' her without unlawful retaliations on her part. I am not asking you to show respect for her but at least give credit to her for not acting like coup plotters or mutineers who have no respect for freedom of speech thereby making violent retaliatory moves against those who criticize them, Trillanes and Honasan as examples. We are lucky the president does not do dirty tricks on us like Marcos or Estrada for every criticism heaped on them. THE PRESIDENT IS NOT A DICTATOR.

People who are diehards of evil politicians even consider hell as heaven and evil as angels.

O, Mr. Epigone, the number of extra-judicial killings and the crimes against media personnel are indicative of the state of free speech in this administration. Thats the kind of credit we can give to the alleged President.

Filing of complaints for extra-judicial killings can be done in court. They're public crimes. Anybody can file a compaint against the government.You're a lawyer. Go figure it yourself. We're a government of laws and not of men. Just like the way you invoked the law in defending Trillanes. I never heard you complain about the extra-judicial killings of the CPP-NPA. Just like Honasan and Trillanes whom I've never heard criticize or condemn the heinous crimes of the CPP-NPA.

Sir, the Supreme Court had to come up with the writ of amparo in order to address extrajudicial killings. Things were and are so bad, the judiciary had to take on an acivist role. Prior to its effectivity -- October 24, 2007 -- you could file cases until you were blue in the face and it wouldnt have made a difference because the problem is the administration's policy of looking the other way. Even now, it is too early to tell if amparo will be effective against a callous government bent on the suppression of free speech and legitimate dissent.

Furthermore, I could toss the same thing to you. Extra judicial killings by the CPP NPA could be filed in court. Does that address the problem? Hardly.

Go question the validity of the decision to the courts. Not to the President. The President is not the supreme court. I condemn judicial killings just like I condemn the death threats done to me by the NPA in a bus in Toronto. Go help us in the campaign against the CPP-NPA instead of questioning me . And instead question courts in the validity of their decisions.

I am beginning to doubt your psychological mindset. Ever since you were posting, it was Arroyo in defense of mutineers and coup plotters and persons at large with a bounties on their heads. Never the CPP-NPA. Now I am beginning to get the picture that Honasan and Trillanes are really socialists like Hugo Chavez who will impose a socialist ideology although not a communist idea inspite of the leftist rhetoric. I know why. He''ll run out of supporters if he does even though inclined to do it.

In this first place, you were the one who mentioned the courts.

The topic is corruption. Corruption thrives in an environment of secrecy. The supression of free speech manifested in EO 464 and to an extreme extent through the killings of journalists, as well as the constant and consistent invocation of national security and executive privilege in legislative inquiries are indicative of a policy to ensure that spurious, illicit, and unethical practices are kept away from the people who have a right to know.

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Hey what is this - the PDFFers are not fond of GMA - 83 percent agree that she is the most corrupt president in the history of our country.

Personally, I believe its not GMA, but her husband and his relatives who are behind the perceived corruption of her administration. The FG is like Imelda Marcos, who corrupted Marcos.

you are nimcompoops! the president is the commander in chief and this a military forum (kuno) you should show her respect! :headbang:

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friend, the correct spelling is nincompoop which means fool or simpleton - which is definitely applicable to you :devilwink:


This poll proves that PDFF is not a GMA Fans Club, which means you're in the wrong forum Ascendancy.

Sir; If I may... I support GMA and so does millions of others. But the real reason for my post is the photo above which depicts outdated tactics. Groups like that are an easy target for suicide bombers or IEDs. Just that they have not yet infiltrated the Phils. Also one handgrenade will get them all. Whatever happened to interlocking fields of fire and buddy teams. Lastly, you should use the proper amount of ratio and not an overkill of soldiers.... When you have massed men like that if the enemy starts firing the soldier's would definitely be shooting each other or getting hurt and shooting civilians all the while trying to get out of the killzone. Leadership and NCO duties of responsibilities clearly are lacking in this photo. For me it looks like Boy Scouts and with armed weapons at that.

The philippine military has been using that kind of tactics ever since, even from the december 1, 1989 coup attempt if you only could remember. I dont know but it looks stupid, as any enemy combatants that are armed with M203 or any sniper rifles will definitely fiest on them.

Anyway, what we need to accuse PGMA is some hard evidence such as recorded videos, recorded phone conversations, and witnesses. Any surveys are not enough to be used as an evidence to support your claims that PGMA is corrupt.

PGMA has been our president for many years now but these oppositions never presented any hard physical evidence and are resorting in propaganda like the use of the surveys. What a loser.

A good example of this was the Hello Garci tape that were not even presented with clear words that's if she's actually saying what the opposition is accusing her. All we heard was, "...kaw nang bahala dyan...". So 'kaw na bahala dyan' can be anything and indeed she did not even say anything that will prove that she commited some dishonest behavior. Something like this, 'siguraduhin mo lang na papalitan mo lahat ng boto dyan na di pomapabor sakin para manalo tayo!'.

What they did, as how desperate they were, they used the Pulse Asia, CNN, & the Social Weather Station surveys for propaganda. All what they can say now is 'what people SAY, and that was not enough as anyone can invent what people say. What a stupid people they really are.

So how can they convince people like me to believe these crazy people?

BTW are the complete listings of the knowm Coup deta't:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups...d_coup_attempts

If you will recall with the Garci scandal, there was no lack of evidence to present, but rather a lack of opportunity and venue to present such evidence. And this is where public perception becomes a factor. If you close all avenues to bring genuine public interest cases for appropriate action -- whether it be the regular courts (criminal and civil litigation), the DOJ (determination of probable cause) or Congress (impeachment) -- the public perception of guilt goes up.

But here is the clincher, in political situations, it no longer matters whether or not the adequate amount of proof has been presented, since the sovereign will of the people does not require such proof, and justifiably so. We could not bring Marcos to court when he was president, he had subverted the legal processes to the extent that fairness no longer mattered. The erosion of the public trust in the institutions that administer the processes of justice could not be restored enough for the process to be relied on. So instead, the public chose to remove him, by the one process he could not pervert -- people power.

Some crazy people don't mind what make people crazy when it comes to supporting an unpopular mandate and corrupt governance of a corrupt regime, where the right to be heard and redress grievances are virtually sequestered which leaves no room in a compartmentalized justice and malfeasant legislature that upholds a Mickey Mouse impeachment.

What makes a government so corrupt ....

... is when people around the incumbent ...

... and those seemingly above the current President ...

... feast on the weak points and the "utang na loob" the President in heavily indebted to.

KAYA,..... VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT WHOSE HANDS AREN'T TIED TO THE GANG OF THIEVES COMPOSED OF PIGS FROM THE MILITARY AND PNP ... AND THE TRAPOS.

kelangan natin talaga ng parliamentary sistema ng gobyerno para pwede tayo magpalit ng magpalit ng lider hanggang sa makuha natin yung pinakang magaling na mangurap ah este magaling na lider.

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And we can always impeach our president once they end their term.

It doesnt happen as beautiful as it seems.

Imagine. Replacing it with another trapo.

The parliamentary system is a TRAP for the Philippine setting.

Kunwari aalisin ng dominant political bloc and pig #1 bilang prime minister pero papalitan din ng pig #2 na mula din naman sa kanilanmg hanay. eh di baboy pa din.

Best thing is IBANG PARTIDO NAMAN para maputol ang kababuyan.

Kaya sa 2010 eleksiyon, ... kung gusto natin matigil ang kalokohan nila ay ibang partido naman iboto natin.

Markahan ang mga balimbing.

Iwasan din ang partido o kandidato na makikipag-deal sa papaalis na partido.

I think its unfair to disregard the ideal system for our government. Kasi di pa nga natin nata-try ang parliamentary nagiging negative na agad sa ibang mga tao.

If other countries can do it specially our neighbors, why not us? why not give it a try in the first place?

Yea, its up to us which party we are gonna vote. Corruptions will never stop though.

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What would be the point then?

Isn't supposed to be after their terms, and not during their terms? Eh sa US kasi ganun eh, di ba ganun din sa atin? Di nga ata.

Uhm, impeachment is during the term. Its a form of removal. You cant remove an ex-President.

IC. Ok thanks for correcting me!

Hey btw, i was just browsing the internet when i came across this:

http://hablachabacano.blogspot.com/2007/06...gley-point.html

:armyfrown:

how dare you..those are the best troops we have, trained by the most combat decorated Philippine Marine officer, those are the elite PMRF soldiers! :demon:

She's not corrupt, Gloria is an honest president In my opinion. But can't say for her husband and her goverment officials. Also, Ang palaging nadadawit sa mga "corrupt" deals ay hindi si gloria kung hinde ay un asawa nya. Kung walang mahanap na pwedeng ituro ang senado, Si gloria kaagad ang tinuturo.


Also, Tormentor, Can i copy your signature? Since it makes me laugh whenever i see it. XD

Ceasar's wife doctrine applies, unfortunately, although I can't believe that she doesn't know what he's up to. At any rate the belief that she has nothing to do with his shenanigans may be negated in the ZTE deal where she left his hospital bedside just to witness the contract signing in China.

All along she pretends to be a blindfolded blind.

I find it hard to believe that madam is not aware of FGs 'deals'.

Looks like things are starting to heat up.

I think times have change. nowadays if you live in the limelight you commit yourself living in front of a microscope. nowadays everything travels quickly,weather the "news" travels in tact or changed is another matter.
i think our nation had far more worse leaders. but at the time they enjoy a certain degree of control and privacy modern man dont have.