Some of the factors fueling corruption in the military;


1) Auditing process is not good enough.

2) Perception that "corruption is a normal thing these days anyway".

3) Punishment or the mechanism that deters them from commiting such crime is not effective or appropriate enough.

4) Tolerance among themselves including the rest from the AFP and the civil government.


We have already come to the point wherein this anomaly is now hitting the spotlight due the concerns on demoralization and coup or mutiny and the worsening economic condition that is also being linked to the unresolved insurgency problem (as stated by PGMA lately).

This issue even came out at this unfortunate time when the civil society is trying to help the military calm the restive soldiers and regain their morale.

We don't really need to shed blood again to win this war against this evil living within.

We just have to set things right NOW!

Do you believe that hints on corruption were even learned right from military schools?

A friend of mine told me what he's brother in law said to him. He said that when his "plebo" bayaw got home for a vacation he joyfully greeted his mother with the words "Nanay, yayaman tayo....dami pera sa XXXX" .

Imagine that?

Freshman pa lang, iba na nasa utak. Instead of learning how to be a good public servant, that is what he first learned from that school. It is likely that a senior student or a faculty said that to him.

Alright, so how can we start doing it right?

Payo lang po naman ito. Maaaring mali at maari din namang tama.

1) Dapat maging matibay na ang pananaw at kaisipan ng mga kadete ukol sa bagay na ito. Itaguyod ang dignidad sa mga military officers.

2) Higpitan at palakasin pa ang "auditing processes" sa AFP.

3) Bigyan pa ng ibang malinis at epektibong "livelihood opportunities" and mga sundalo.

4) Bigatan ang parusa sa mga may sala. Alisan ng benefits gaya ng pension at tanggalin agad sa serbisyo at ikulong upang di pamarisan.


Maaring gamitin ang usapin ng katiwalian ng kalaban ng gobyerno kung di maagapan.

Maaari ding mawalan ng saysay ang ating layunin na malinis ang hanay ng gobyerno kung wala rin tayong gagawin ukol dito.

Ang masaklap, maaaring magpatuloy ito at lumalala pa lalo na pag naghalo-halo na ang epekto ng mga katiwalian na ito sa masa at ekonomiya.

for real o imbento molang ka flipzi?

I've said it.

It's up to you to believe or not.

BTW, graduate na pala yung plebo na yun. Batch 2000 sya. Ewan ko lang kung nagbago na pananaw nya sa buhay.
:thumb:

The problem is, the perception of most cadets about the honor code is it stops once they leave the gates of PMA for good.

These kids are bright and perceptive and they know the "happenings" within the AFP officer cadre. Those who follow the straight and narrow after graduation know that they will live a life of poverty...unfortunately, many a buck lieutenant's eyes glimmer when they see a General flash by in his big and gleaming SUV.

i've seen other junior officers who are not living their lives too lavishly like those corrupt officers but still manage to enjoy the kind of life that they really deserved.

it's just a matter of providing them what they needed without molding their minds to become slaves of greed in so doing.

housing projects, car plan, business loans, medical assistance, livelihood seminars and the likes will help them realize their dreams for their family...

...WITHOUT GETTING WHAT THEY DONT DESERVE.

Maybe something is wrong with our training doctrine.

Why do they still end up getting enticed to be corrupt.

Are the role models the cause? Leadership thing again!

Check the US military. See how much their soldiers are being taken cared of.

RP economy cant give that?

There must be a compromise?

CHECK THOSE WHO ARE GETTING TOO MUCH SO THAT THE EXCESS MAY BE ALLOCATED TO THOSE WHO ARE GETTING LESS. :exactly:

One more thing.

Let's make their salary reasonable as well.

It's easy for them to fall victims of greed considering their meager salary.

Why not raise the salary of top officers?

Let's be realistic.

Also, the tenure for any position taking the responsibility of managing funds should be limited to 1 year or whatever is better.

We should look into his assets before, during and after his stint.

Don't forget that it cannot be done without the help of DBM and COA.

all gov't offices work like that anyway.

but someone somehow must initiate that change.
:armycheers:

by the way, that quote tells us also that others outside of the AFP may have helped the general conceal this anomaly.

it is not surprising that other men in uniform are also involved in this anomaly...

... but is it not possible that those who were supposed to check if nothing went wrong in those transactions have also benefitted from this, that's why the general was able to get the money?
:armycry:

Thatt's what i'm trying to tell you. It could not have been done without collusion with DBM and COA.



:urpointis:

sensya ka na huh, yung una mo kasing tanung dalawa pinupuntirya. kaya nga dalawa na sagot ko eh, just to make sure. :wow:


:armygrin:


now going back, i believe that the Senate and the Ombudsman MUST also check if those who were supposed to audit this fund transactions were also part of the conspiracy or anomaly, whichever fits better. (both?)

IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT THEY TRY TO DO IS THIS;

THEY PUT UP A SUBSIDIARY OR INVEST THE MONEY INTO SOMETHING...

THEN....THEY FUNNEL THE FUNDS OR THEY GRADUALLY BLEED THEIR CAPITAL WHICH WILL THEN END UP IN THEIR OWN POCKETS,...

... in the process ...

...or as a result of that anomalous transaction.

THEN THEY DECLARE THE SUBSIDIARY AS BANCRUPT LATER ON.

They can just reason out by saying, "the market is not good or favorable".

But actually, it is just a case of MISMANAGEMENT in its dirtiest form!

SINCE, THAT IS A CORPORATION, THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTIES WILL BE SAVED FROM ANY LIABILITEIS DUE TO WHOEVER GAVE THEM CREDIT, IF THERE'S ANY.

DIBA, BANCRUPT LAHAT NG SUBSIDIARY NG RSBS?

Di pwedeng ma banckrupt ang RSBS kasi mother company yan. Marami ang sisilip. Pero kung mga subsidiaries lang or the likes, eh di gaanung nabubutingting.

PERO YUMAMAN MGA OFFICIALS, DIBAH?

GET THE HINT?

hehehe..

yung ambush sa isang coronel... ay linked daw sa RSBS anomaly.


BUT THAT'S JUST A SCENARIO AND NOT A PROVEN CASE WITH REGARD TO RSBS. :nono:

I think your recommendations are good mother earth statements but too little, too late and not dramatic enough. Any change to be made has to be major, earth shaking, and of such intensity that all other institutions will standby and watch.

What will be at trial here is not one or two generals, or a colonel. What will be at trial will be the armed forces. This may be the armed forces chance to re-invent itself and get rid of that albatross around it's neck.

The CINC shouild be decisive.

1. Retire and/or relieve all general officers. Maybe retain a few one star generals of known character, leadership and professionalism.

2. Deep select a new chief of staff. Even 5 years down the seniority list. One who can offer fresh leadership. Not one who is weighed down by the baggage of having been a party to or unable to stem graft and corruption when he had the chance.

3. Dismantle the comptroller clique in the armed forces. Retire them or relieve them.

4. Relieve the COA and DBM people who deal with the AFP.

5. Make it clear to the new chain of command that she will relieve, court martial and jail anyone who is just rumored to be corrupt.

Right away you will see a dramatic increase in soldier's morale. Junior officers will be motivated again. There will be an increase in savings. The AFP might even win it's battles easily.

I cannot see any reason why a 45 year old colonel cannot command the same way that a 55 year old general about to retire.

There will be no coups. No soldier will follow the relieved generals.

FLIP, you need to have a deep understanding of where the corruption is in the armed forces. A lot of it is hidden and simple folks cannot even imagine how it is done.

You can even ignore the RSBS mess, that is just a sideshow and of little consequence now.

pendejo :mademyd: to ang earthshaking, ang tanong:

KAYA MO BA MADAM PRES???

that's included in the National Recovery Program proposed by Honasan

putsa...no honasan and that damn nrp of his

nothin' but a tool for his own greedy ambitions... :grrr:


personal to tol...laki ng business losses ko ng mag kudeta ang gunggong na yan... :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

:wow:

:armycry:

Pambihira naman kapatid.

Ako'y isang pangkaraniwang mamamayan lang.

Dapat ay isang malaking tao ang magsiwalat nyan. Siguro sa hanay nyo rin sa militar. Kung hindi ay di rin ito pakikinggan.

Siguro kung ako pa si Joma mabubulabog ko pa Malacanang at AFP.

Ang solusyun dyan ay..

magtulong-tulong bagung henerasyun ng officers at yung natitirang matinung generals at ibang senior officers ...para sipain ang mga salot sa kanilang hanay.

Kung ako siguro si Honasan baka nagawa ko pa. (excuse lang ctrlaltdel ...heehhe)

Minsan nga pag may coup tapos ang sigaw ay katiwalian gaya sa Oakwood.....parang panalangin ko manalo para mawalis ang mga salot sa hanay nyo eh.

hehehe..

Alam din naman ng mamamayan na maraming katiwalian sa AFP pero kita po niyo maging kayo na nandyan ay wala rin magawa. Siguro it's about time na magtulong ang lahat ng sectors para masolusyunan natin ito.

It's your turn guyz! :exactly:

It's a good start guyz kasi pati sa PASR yan ang usapan.....

Malay mo pag di naayus ng civil govt...eh COUP ulit.

UY INGAT SA PAG-INTINDI NG SULAT KO AT BAKA MAGKA-COUP MASISI PA KO.



hehehe

Wala naman copyright si Honasan sa idea na deep selection at pag-aalis sa mga inutil at magnanakaw diyan sa GHQ. Just because it was in his NRP doesn't mean it cannot be done. I thnk it was one thing in his program that should be done. Tanggalin na lahat ng mga classmate niya.

If they cannot fix this thing this time, manood nalang tayo habang nagka-ka p--- p--- na ang Pinas.

Flip, buti na lang retard na ako. At kahiya hiya sila. Mga peemayer pa naman sila, pwe! :drunk:

Mga heneral, ser...wag naman sanang mangyari dito sa atin ang nangyari sa Guinea-Bissau..kailan pa kayo magbabago?

LISBON (AFP) Oct 06, 2004

Guinea-Bissau's army chief of staff killed in military unrest

Guinea-Bissau's army chief of staff and former interim president, General Verissimo Correia Seabra, was killed Wednesday during unrest by mutinous soldiers in the former Portuguese African colony, Portuguese foreign ministry spokesman Antonio Jacinto told AFP.

THE CAUSE:

Earlier Wednesday hundreds of soldiers demanding overdue wages took up key positions in the capital of Guinea Bissau and opened fire on military headquarters.

Full Story

:agree:

Best solution offered so far!

:agree:

If ever the civilian govt fails to rid the military org of "termites",...

.... then it is better for the restive soldiers to do what they think is the right thing to do!

:thumb:


Since PGMA is still the Cmdr in Chief and the PRESIDENT, she must find the cure to this plague.

My suggestion for Ma'am Glo;

1) Expand the Feliciano Commision's task, by directing it to draft plans on how they can clean up the military org.

2) Prosecute and JAIL, NOT JUST DISMISS ( dismiss mo lang eh tatawanan ka lang kasi mayayaman na sila :nono: ) those who are found guilty. Deny them of any benefits due to military officers as well.

3) Institute reforms in the PMA, OCS and similar schools to enhance the moral foundation of the new breed of soldiers.

4) Remove all business-related operations from the military org.

5) Enhanced the auditing process for the AFP. Check for possible loopholes.

6) Plunder case must include any case involving 1 Million pesos.

7) Tenure for AFP Comptrollership, Logistics or similar positions must be limited to 1 year and thorough auditing process must be instituted everytime there's a transition.

8) Check the operations or processes of COA and DBM related to the operations of AFP if there's a loophole in the system and all personnel involved must be subjected to lifestyle check also.

9) RETIRE OLD BREED OF SENIOR OFFICERS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE .. to replenish the organization with better public servants.

:exactly:

RELATED DEVELOPMENT

3 more generals facing sanction
GOTCHA By Jarius Bondoc
The Philippine Star 10/08/2004

http://philstar.com/philstar/News200410082604.htm


‘No court martial for AFP general’
By Jess Diaz
The Philippine Star 10/08/2004
http://philstar.com/philstar/News200410080403.htm



Ombudsman seeks help of US graft busters, says official
Updated 08:54am (Mla time) Oct 08, 2004
Inquirer News Service http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?in...&story_id=14244

Sana po ser....

Lucero: Walang sasantuhin sa siyasat ng AFP

Sa panayam ng radyo DZMM nitong Biyernes, iginiit ng Sandatahang Lakas (AFP) na wala itong sasantuhin sa pagsisiyasat sa mga anomalya sa hanay ng militar tulad ng kaso ni Maj. Gen. Carlos Garcia. Anang tagapagsalitang si Lt. Col. Daniel Lucero, pagkakataon ito ng AFP upang ipakita na walang kinikilingan at pinoprotektahan sa mga opisyal nito.

DZMM: Itong nangyaring [pagkakadiskubre ng anomalya] sa Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), mukhang malaki po ang epekto nito sa integridad at kredibilidad ng Armed Forces. Ano po ang inyong ginagawang pansariling [solusyon] para huwag naman tuluyang masira ang image ng AFP?

Lucero: Alam mo totoo 'yan, malaki ang epekto [nito] these past few days lalo na 'yung mga naka-assign sa field. Wala pong shall I say, "sacred cow" sa Armed Forces. Kahit two-star general ka pa, kahit sino ka pa, kapag may kasalanan ka, dapat sagutin mo ang kasalanan mo.

So, ito ay isang pagkakataon na maipapakita po ng Armed Forces na wala po kaming kinikilingan at hindi po namin pinoprotektahan 'yung isang heneral.

Amin pong susundin 'yung alituntunin na aming sinumpaan. Ito po ay isang pribelehiyo, isang oportunidad na maipapakita namin sa sambayanan na seryoso kaming linisin ang aming hanay.

Sa naunang pag-aksyon ng AFP suspension order muna ang ibinigay ninyo, 'yung mga kasong hinihintay po para isampa po sa mga nasasangkot, kailan ninyo ito gagawin?

Nasa Ombudsman na 'yung mga ebidensiya.

At gusto kong i-highlight [na] noong bago pa mag-imbestiga ang Ombudsman as early as March of this year kahit wala pang sapat na ebidensya na hawak ang Armed Forces ay sinuspinde o tinanggal na kaagad ni General (Narciso) Abaya si Major General [Carlos F. Garcia] sa finance and budget, kahit wala pa pong sufficient evidence ay tinanggal po niya at inumpisahan na po ang imbestigasyon.

Tinanggal po siya dito para hindi ma-alter 'yung mga dokumento, 'yung mga kalakaran po doon at siya ay inimbistigahan kaagad.

Ito pong Ombudsman ay nakapag-isyu na ng suspension order laban kay Major General Garcia dahil po sa mga suportang ibinigay po ng Armed Forces.

Actually kami po ang nagbigay ng mga kopya po ng statement of assets and liabilities at 'yung kanyang mga dokumento po sa kanyang mga deposit.

Speaking of Major General Caros Garcia, in fairness sa kanya kung saan man siya naroroon mayroon na ba kayong tinanggap na [surrender] feelers? Naasan siya at siya ba ay nasa Pilipinas pa? Kailan siya lilitaw para ipagtanggol ang kanyang panig?

Actually nakausap siya kahapon (Huwebes) ng aming Vice Chief of Staff [na] si Vice Adm. Ariston de los Reyes at sinasabing nandito lang siya sa Pilipinas at lalabas po siya sa tamang pagkakataon at hindi po siya nagtatago.

Kahapon nga po sa Camp Aguinaldo ay mayroon po siyang emisaryo na nagbigay po ng note sa miembro ng Defense Press Corps [nakasaad sa note na] siya ay nandito lang po (sa bansa) at hindi po siya nagtatago.

Ilang araw pa ang bibilangin kaya bago siya lumitaw?

Ang schedule po niya ang kanyang pagkakataong mag-submit ng kanyang affidavit para sagutin 'yung mga paratang sa kanya [e] sa Biyernes po. [Siya po] ay binigyan po ng 10 araw so hopefully by Friday ay masagot po niya ang mga paratang sa kanya ng Ombudsman.

May initial reaction na ba si General Narciso Abaya kaugnay sa panawagan ni Senator [Juan Ponce] Enrile na siya ay magbitaw na sa pwesto?

Ito ay [tinalakay] po namin kahapon at lahat naman po ng heneral na 'yan ay nagsisilbi po sa pleasure po ng ating Pangulo.

So, depende po. Susunod lang po ang pamunuan ng Armed Forces kung ano po ang ididikta ng ating political leader.

Ano po ang garantiya na hindi ito magkakaroon ng cover up o nang whitewash?

Hindi po kami magko-cover up. Ang Ombudsman sila po ay nakapag-isyu na po ng suspension order, nasuportahan nila ang order na ito sa pamamagitan po ng suportang ibinigay ng Armed Forces.

Wala po kaming iko-cover up dito. Ang Armed Forces of the Philippines ang unang nanggagalaiti po na sana po ay maresolba na ito [at] malaman natin ang katotohanan dahil alam po namin na malaki ang epekto nito sa aming moral sa aming image.

So hindi po magko-cover up ang Armed Forces at 'yung may kasalanan ay dapat managot.

Bukod po dito kay Maj. Gen. Carlos Garcia, ilan pa po ang inyong iniimbestigahan na sangkot pa din sa mga ganitong kaso?

Sa ngayon po hindi ko po ma-specify sa inyo kung sino po. However, kung sinuman ang maii-implicate sa imbestigasyon kay General Garcia ang Armed Forces po ay susuportahan ang imbestigasyon na ito kahit sino po ang kailangang imbestigahan ay iimbestigahan po base sa investigation na kino-conduct laban kay Maj. Gen. Carlos Garcia.


Source

All the revelations and explanations being given are pointing to the realization of a much morally sound and dignified AFP. :specool:

Even the reality of seeing top ranking AFP officials being investigated for such anomaliy is a breaktrough in military history. Since generals are untouchables no more, expect that the new breed of soldiers will never dare to put themselves in similar shame and disgust.

For those who cannot be touched still, ...

.... LET THE HEAVEN UNLEASH THE PUNISHMENT THAT THEY DESERVE. KARMA WILL CATCH UP WITH THEM OR THEIR SEEDS.

Sirs, it's about time you work on that. :thumb: :thumb:

It's about time all sectors particularly Congress and Malacanang start cleaning up the military org for good.

If all these developments aren't just plain tricks to fool the Filipinos again,..

...then expect that the AFP will be A LOT MORE DETERMINED TO FULFILL ITS TASKS.

IT'S ABOUT TIME. :thumb: :thumb:

CONFISCATE THESE ill-gotten WEALTH AS WELL....

THEN SELL THESE....AND GIVE THE PROCEEDS TO THE AFP FUND.

:exactly:


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http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?in...&story_id=14460

Malacañang wants assets of corrupt officials frozen

Updated 01:52pm (Mla time) Oct 10, 2004
Inquirer News Service




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MALACAÑANG wants government officials under investigation for unexplained wealth to be prevented from touching the fruits of corruption.
"We support all legal means in making the freezing of all the questionable and unexplained assets of government officials being investigated for corruption a standard procedure," Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye said.

He added: "Corruption is a serious betrayal of the public trust and the Filipino people can be assured that the full force of the law will be applied to anyone milking the public coffers."

According to newly appointed Presidential Anti-Graft Commission chair Constancia Posadas-de Guzman, "the gauge [for corruption] is the sudden change in lifestyle," especially when abroad.

De Guzman also said the case of General Carlos F. Garcia was not an isolated one.

"It is in the Filipino's psyche that when he has extra money, he is definitely going to splurge," she said, adding that the United States remained a favorite place

for corrupt Filipino officials to spend their ill-gotten wealth.

Garcia, whose monthly salary was just a little more than P36,000, reportedly owns several pieces of real estate in the Philippines and the United States apart from cash deposits and expensive vehicles.

Juliet Labog-Javellana

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SEN. NENE PIMENTEL SAY'S IT RIGHT!

"Unless the AFP officers who steal soldier’s money are punished properly, the Oakwood mutiny, like the Sphinx, will rise up again and again. ..."


http://philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200410100409.htm

Including the pampered mistresses?


:demon:

Nyahahahahahaha..

No way.
:armytwisted:

Okay, compromise na yun!


:armyLol:

NEWS UPDATE:

Single bid panel for AFP, DND up
By Jose Rodel Clapano
The Philippine Star 10/17/2004

The government has created a single bids and awards committee to simplify procurement procedures in the scandal-ridden Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) and the Department of National Defense (DND), Malacañang announced yesterday.

President Arroyo instituted the changes in the administrative policies of the DND in line with the recommendations made by the Feliciano Commission, which investigated the July 27, 2003 mutiny by young military officers disgruntled with alleged corruption in the AFP.

FULL DETAIL:

http://philstar.com/philstar/News200410170403.htm

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It's about time they become more strick in monitoring how the funds are being utilized.

Better monitoring .... results to less corruption. :exactly:

".. the pursuit of "systemic reforms" is among the "solid morale boosters for the soldiery" that make the possibility of a successful coup remote. "
:exactly:


FULL DETAIL:

http://philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200410190402.htm

IT'S A GOOD THING THEY'VE REALIZED THAT!

JUST REMEMBER THAT YOU CAN'T FOOL THE PEOPLE WITH EMPTY PROMISES NO MORE.

IF YOU DARE TO TRY THAT, THEN EXPECT FOR THE WORST. :thumb:

Ms Arroyo also wants an open trial for the former Armed Forces comptroller currently being investigated by the Ombudsman and the House of Representatives for unexplained wealth both here and abroad.

"The people have heard enough of the allegations of corruption in the military, and it is high time these issues [were brought] under open prosecution and judicial scrutiny in fairness to all concerned," she said in a statement.

"The interest of justice and due process must be served to the satisfaction of the people and the soldiery."


FULL DEATIL:

http://news.inq7.net/nation/index.php?index=1&story_id=15557


:thumb: :thumb: NICE ONE MA'AM.

HOW TO LICK CORRUPTION IN THE ARMED F-----S OF THE PHILIPPINES???

Gather all generals and hang them from their BALLS !!!

Bro, payo lang huh.

You are defeating the purpose of this thread.

I-isnayp ka ng mga mods,bahala ka. :armycheers:

Bakit, inde ba totoo ang ssinabi ko???

You can at least tone down your rhetoric.

The best thing for our political leaders to do now is to ...

.. lay out measures that will patch the loopholes in the processes where corruption may take place.

Strengthen the rules and make all transactions transparent to discourage the frail-minded generals and other corruptible public officials from commiting this betrayal.

Heavier penalties must also be imposed to give these breed of greed something to think about before they commit the crime.

Given this short span of time, it will not be easy to weed out most if not all of the termites in our society.

Nonetheless, if we dont lay out the measures now, then the cycle will just keep on going.

End the cycle now by patching the loopholes that breeds greed. If we do so, expect that cases of corruption, reported and not, will wane done. :exactly:

Hopefuly it will disappear completely when appropriate opportunities for living a decent life for all will come just in time. :armygrin:

What rhetoric??

Hell, the better advice from you is for the generals to tone down their greed. Got it??

How about adding a joint chief of staff than refering it to a single staff of the Organization.

All branches will be heard and it will automatically creates a check and balance.

Not good IMHO, too top heavy for a small military outfit like the AFP.

:agree: with RT


the org setup is fine.

what we need to do is flush out the rotten men in that house and get some real good men to give it a new hope for a better AFP!


:exactly:

the problem is many filippino officers is concerned with getting rich very quikly at the expense of true patriotic service, i pity the low rank soldiers toiling in fields of combat with pathetic weapons but officers wallow in riches and luxory..

Well said SL :thumb:

That's why we need to stop this now. Else, this country will remain enslaved to poverty and stagnation.

It's good to hear that even foreigners alike are expressing their own side of the issue.

:armycheers: