What for you will be the best replacement for our mighty Bronco, our PAF's attack bird

While I think that of those 3, the Brazillian is the best option, if given a wider range of choices, i'd still go for a trainer jet like the A50 or M346 which can also replace the S211

The best Attack Plane that can surpass the role of OV-10 bronco is surely the A-4 Sky Hawks.. We can use the A-4 Sky Hawk as a true Attack Plane and at the same time Advanced Trainer due to its good maneoverability.

Im wondering if there are still good frame available for modification and upgrade in the inventory of US Marines or AMARC.
:dunno:

I second emotion Tora^2 KoreaN T-50 as it gives the blending of an advanced trainer and Attack Plane. Actually T-50 is a copy of F-16 but regarded as an Advanced trainer that can be used for Light attack purposes.

If turbo Prop is our limitation then KO-1/KT-1C WongBee is the best replacement for OV-10 bronco.

syempre sa wongbee nalang ako.

'new' ov-10's obviously.

If Korean Aerospace Industry (KAI) built a KO-1 with two internal wing guns (just like what EMBRAER did to their Tucano series in which resulted to A-29 Super Tucano) I will chose the Wongbee, But, if not: I stick to the A-29 Super Tucano.

Why? this aircraft was really built for COIN operation, it was built for Combat & ready to provide a close air support any time because it had it's guns ready to fire in case needed.

I think it's time to us to open some defence ties with Latin american countries aside from other weapons producing nations

If we can able to employ "ARIANI" (No Kidding) on Noon time show "Eat Bulaga", why we cannot get this Brazilian Air Warrior? :salute:

Speaking of South American Warbirds....

Speaking of South American Warbirds....Check out the Argentinian's IA-58's Pucaras..These ones have great deal of experience in the Falklands conflict and with resemblance to the OV-10... :fire:





Named after a form of South American stone hill fortress, the Pucara's origins can be traced back to the mid-1960's when Argentina's Fabrica Militar de Aviones ( Military Aircraft Factory ) was requested to develop a new combat aircraft capable of performing COIN, CAS and reconnaissance missions. The first flight of the prototype AX-2 Delfin, powered by a pair of Garrett TPE331-U-303 turbo props, took place on 20 August 1969. Subsequent prototypes were re-engined with French Turbom Eca Astazou XVIG turboprops.

The Pucara was designed to operate from roughfield and unprepared sites with the minimum of ground support - a point it proved to good effect during the Falklands War of 1982. Operations are possible by night, but not in adverse weather conditions, and weapons aiming is achieved visually by the pilot making full use of the excellent forward visibility over the Pucara's downward sloping nose.


Wing Span 14.5m ( 47 ft 7 in )
Length 15.25 m ( 46ft 9in)
Height 5.36m ( 17ft 7 in )
Weight empty, equipped 4,037 kg ( 8,900 lb );
MTOW 6,800 kg ( 14,991 lb )
Engine two 988 shp Turbomeca Astazou XVIG turboprops
Maximum speed 500 km/h ( 311 mph ) at 3,000 m ( 9,840 ft )
Cruising speed 430 km/h ( 267 mph )
Range
Service Ceiling 9,700 m ( 31, 825 ft )
Armament two Hispano HS804 20mm cannon each with 270 rpg,
four FN Browning 7.62 mm cannon with 900 rpg;
up to 1500 kg ( 3,307lb ) of free fall bombs, napalm tanks, 70 mm ( 2.75 in ) rockets, cannon pods, two auxiliary fuel tanks.

Crew
Cost
User Countries Argentina, Uruguay, Colombia, Sri Lanka

Links:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/pucara.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_58_Pucar%C3%A1
http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/ia58/
http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fia58.aspx
http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revista/n...ara/Pucarae.htm

Super Tucano


Wong Bee


Pucara

I believe both the Wong Bee and Tucano are okey. We can simply consider which is giving a better deal, on cost, technical support, payment scheme and delivery date.

In all, the Super Tucano seems o be the best contender.

The Pucara's frame is too big which makes it a bulky plane with less of what it can do compared to other aircarft that size.

The Tucano is sleeker comapred to the WongBee. The cockpit design is excellent.

The Wong Bee can on the other hand offer their plane at a lower price and better payment arrangement.

Comparing the three trainers, I would go for the Super Tucano. Its smaller than the Pucara but can be fitted more varieties of bombs, rockets and even side winders. Also it has a longer range meaning to say it can stay in the air a lot longer and thus be more combat effective giving ground forces needed air cover.

Hopefully within a few months or so when the night capable AH and UH issue have been settled, a sight to see would be the MD doing the initial attack on the rebels, then followed by the Super Tucano's bombardment then the final touch blasts from the Super Cobras.

:patrioticpinoy: :ssalute:

i'll go for the wong bee. no more explanation, its obvoius.

as I see to the Votes, the Super Tucano, got most of it : the reason Maybe is: The A-29 was built for Combat in the first place, about the Wongbee, I'll hope the Koreans will add 2 wingguns so they will able to catch up the ALX. :salute:

any votes? :dunno:

wongbee pa rin...

just like i said ,if KAI will add internal wing guns, it will be the wongbee, if not, i'll stick for the ALX

We already deal with south Korean about different AFP Equipment like K-3 SAW Machinegun and Patrol Killer boat., so I assume the political relationship is healthy.

Dont forget the Korean War where we offer our help at that time.

For me WongBee has more possibility., but still subject to closer scrutiny by AFP if the plane is more capable and low cost in operation than others.

cheers

:armycheers:

Among the listed option, which aircraft can carry more bombs and fly at longer range than the OV10?

Upgraded A-4 Skyhawk i think? :dunno:

Besides, I also like that stuby-wing single engine, navy attack jet.

Or the A-37 Dragonfly :thumb:

Since the A37 is not one of the choses i think the T6 because its US and dapat we should make use of being a non NATO ally that part of the perks of being one

I agree sir Adrian. :specool:
But we should not forget the EMB-314/A-29 Super Tucano.
By the way, have you seen this video , Super Tucano shooting down an aircraft, a drug dealer's aircraft in Columbia?
http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/SAS73/2298/

the koreans are into the KTX wongbee export version for COIN/CAS ops. But indonesia opted to order 16 Super tucanos as replacement for theire OV10's. Something tells me that through this, inspite of advanced sales from the koreans on the trainer,LPD program, thye KTX is still a long way in development for it to compete with the Tucano

I envy them, they made the order just these year, we should follow suit this year, specially when were engaged in a possible all out war with the MI. sO LONG AS WE GET THROUGH WITH THE attack heli and utility heli purchases, we should get more c130s and a squadron of super tucanos in the pipeline! :fire:

AT6 for me is the most flexible and capable?
the super tucano is best cas ,given the increased engine power and load.
the wongbee is the most realistic

Airforce General Cadungog in an earlier interview said that OV10's attrition rate yearly is significantly high, at about 2-3 planes a year. Its not clear whether its KIA or just lacked essential maintenance and parts, but mor ethan likely its suffering from depletion. By 2012, there will be any flying, and spares are going to be close to nil. Were one of a handful still using them actively, Morroco, Colombia and some South american countires still use them but not as vigorously as ours. Indonesia has them on reserves, replacing them with the Super Tucano ordered this year.

What im saying is, we need the active study and pre-procurement fast!attention DND-BAC!get those heli NC attack and new utility helis and not postpone this bidding scheduled this quarter!so that this prop attack planes will have the bidding table and go through the process in time for the last bomber to fizzle out :fire: ilang postponemwnmets nayang NC attack heli nayan!tumitira na sana yan ngayun ng rockets sa MI's :pushup:

We need Super Tucano asap. Sooner or later there will be no more OV's to fullfill the role of COIN . Lucky those Neps and Mi's. :salute:

super tucano ako... :armycheers:

I'm with you :patrioticpinoy:

BTW, is the T.U.D.I. ( Indonesian Air Force) already ordered the Super Tucano? :dunno:

Ako rin... Super Tucano :fire:

Super Tucanos is the best replacement for our OV-10 Broncos.. OV-Tucanos coming to Kill Yeah them NPAs!!!. :rifle:

Yes! Embraer OV-314 Super Tucanos (REBEL KILLERS) 24 of these will definitely do RATATATATATAT!!!, with a Combination of KABOOM!!! Free fall Bombs will KILL them NPAs and MILF Rebels including the Abu Sayyaf Petty Thieves Group. MEN of the PAF! Here are your marching orders go kill them Bastardos at Tumae sa leeg nila!. Cabo Segundo Jo.AT! Go take your new recruit and fly the OV-314 Super Tucanos over this quadrant Abu Sayyaf petty thieves were spotted here a minute ko find them and kill them Bastardos! Don't forget to come back with a salubong! A Sprite and a Jollibee Super Champ Hamburger Hill will make your Comandant Happy!.. Oh! bring also Blu-ray DVD of NACHO LIBRE My Man... GO! do your work sige na.. :ssalute: :rifle:

Any idea what's the gun accuracy range on the various aircraft? I could be wrong. But won't the Pucara have much better accuracy at longer ranges due to the fact it's bullet trajectories won't have to converge for maximum effect, something it has in common with the OV-10.

Plus, taking into account any battle damage, I'd feel more comfortable in a Pucara with its two engines, something it also has in common with the OV-10.

I've seen the Tucano, the Pucara, and the OV-10 in action with the Colombian Air Force along with "other" OV-10's. They much prefer the twin props when flying over the FARC's hornet nests.

i actually like the pucaras it looks awesome but i have a suggestion how about the a-10 thunderbolt? thats pretty awesome too right? :specool:

Pretty much awsome is the A-10 Warthog it is, but then again how the PAF wish the U.S.Air Force will just give those A-10 for a discounted price!.. I say still the best is the EMBRAER Super Tucanos!!! Bwah! Hahahaha!!!.. :armytwisted:

well,a-10 is only 9 million dollars,we can buy THAT right?