Hey guys what are the usual transpo of PhilMars in combat zones?

http://www.navy.mil.ph/gallery/marines/ori.../pmcadd1002.jpg
http://www.navy.mil.ph/gallery/marines/ori.../pmcadd1001.jpg

New guntrucks? :specool:

where are the weapons?

They'll probably put .50 cal MGs in there. :specool:

Whats new on PMC guntrucks, arms, armor?

Heres a guntruck operating in Iraq:

5-ton gun truck
in Tikrit, Iraq
4ea SAW gunners and pedestal mounted MK-19 GL (not pictured) 8 milimeter sheet armor (steel)

and heres the mother of all guntrucks:



awesome!

man that truck is huge, what is that for?

That's the Oshkosh M1070 HET tractor head. That behemoth is used by the US to pull tank carriers.

Just saw Manokski's latest gun truck update (12-23)

http://home.comcast.net/~manokski/PMCguntrucks.htm

What's the story with the different designs?

The page mentioned that each Marine brigade is responsible for manufacturing their own. Is each brigade responsible for the design as well?

Didn't PMC HQ come up with a single design, test it thoroughly, then send the plans to the troops?

Are the different designs part of a design contest or something? Kinda like the gun truck that survives a certain number of years wins.

Good effort but seems the trucks lacks mineblast protection.

mblt, how do the guntrucks compensate for additional weight of the added armor, are the suspension beefed up?

its common complaint of american soldiers in Iraq that their up armored humvees and trucks break down more often due to the added weight.

jungle boots

its common complaint of american soldiers in Iraq that their up armored humvees and trucks break down more often due to the added weight.

added weight does strain the engine and suspension -basic weight ratio and engine displacement of the vehicle. Under normal use the common M-35 2 1/2 ton truck (without armor) requires overhaul every 3 years and the same for suspension replacement. With the added armor about 2 years. If you were in the truck during convoy duty and high probobility of ambush wouldn't it be worth it?

What's the story with the different designs?

The page mentioned that each Marine brigade is responsible for manufacturing their own. Is each brigade responsible for the design as well?

Didn't PMC HQ come up with a single design, test it thoroughly, then send the plans to the troops?

Are the different designs part of a design contest or something? Kinda like the gun truck that survives a certain number of years wins.

The Brigade Commanders diverted from the original design from the first PMC Hardened M-35 (Talisman) due to tactical usage. The 3rd Marine Brigade based in Jolo followed the "talisman" features explicitely for convoy duty missions. The "talisman" was actually first deployed in Jolo in 1996. The 2nd and 1st Marine Brigades based in Marawi and Lanao utilized them for gun platforms in patrols in Urban areas. Hence the Cal 50 and all around armor protection. The "Daugoog" of 2MBDE i will have to say is quite heavy for convoy duty in Jolo but offers good all around armor protection and firepower in an urban environment.

is the armoring of the current guntrucks like the Daugdog rpg resistant?

Nope so is the V-150, V-300, Simba, M-113, LVTP5, LVTP7, BMP3 as all LAVs without add-on applique or reactive armor.

how about if the marines convert humvees into enclosed vehicles like this>>

This vehicle, the Ontos, was actually used by the US Marines during the Vietnam War. This could very well be still useful here:



talk about a six-gunner :demon:

Some of the Marine may have been looking at the examples in this book about the gun trucks armor.


Book The Hard Ride; Vietnam Gun Trucks

Frank, have you included the latest of PMC Guntrucks... Ugab et al

could have saved a lot of soldiers lives - victims of mine blasts which this type of vehicle is resistant to.

Question. Hasn't anyone come up yet with a more modern version of the old World War 1 tanks? Those similar to that in one of Indiana Jones movie wherein it has a turret on the sides, turret up front and turret on top. Would probably make a better convoy escort than HumVees.

Isn't it we have the simbas for the PA and the V150 + LAV for the PM for such role?

But the new design like the one one above and the new APC that seemed like a V150 are more protected than the Simbas that we currently have.

Most of our APCs are Simbas.


BTW, do you guys remember the Pinoy-made "Hari-Digma" APC?


Photo from: http://www.geocities.com/opus224

I believe the govt can hit two birds with 1 stone here by ordering the AFP to get the makers of the Hari-Digma to design and manufacture APCs similar to the Velskoen or the new V150-like APCs being used by the US in Iraq right now.

We can save a lot of money and even provide jobs if we can help the local maker be our supplier of this better-protected APCs.

We did talked about the Kalakian in another thread and it cost about P8 m a piece, while an imported battle tested brand, the Caspir, cost about P4-6.5 M. How much are they asking for the Hari Digma?

http://s3.invisionfree.com/Defense_Philipp...topic=1343&st=0

Maybe if the local manufacturers tries to lower the cost and if it's performance is good it might indeed be suited for our needs and benefit both AFP/PNP and the local industry.

Up-Armored 'Gun Trucks' Save Servicemembers' Lives In Iraq
US Department of Defense
May 6, 2005, 10:55

WASHINGTON: New 5-ton armored "gun trucks" fielded in Iraq are providing U.S. troops with effective protection against insurgents' improvised explosive devices and small-arms fire, a senior military researcher said today on Capitol Hill.

Currently, "there are 31 5-ton gun trucks in Iraq, and they are saving lives," Steven J. DeTeresa, an engineer from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., told members of the House Armed Services Committee.

DeTeresa said the Army used gun trucks during the Vietnam War. The Livermore lab and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, he noted, have worked since December 2003 to jointly develop a modern version of the gun truck concept.

Take a gun truck's standard 5-ton heftiness - heavier than a Humvee -- then add armor and multiweapons capacity -- including hard-hitting .50-caliber machine guns - and you've got "a much more serious convoy protection platform," DeTeresa explained.

DeTeresa cited the experience of a gun truck crew in Iraq that survived an IED explosion, thanks to the truck's two layers of steel armor augmented by ballistic fiberglass.

The gun truck was damaged beyond repair, but "all the crewmembers survived with relatively minor injury," DeTeresa pointed out. The totaled vehicle's armor, he said, was removed and put onto another gun truck.

The fiberglass component of the armor "provides additional protection both from IED threats and small-arms" fire, DeTeresa said.

Gun trucks are also fitted with transparent ballistic glass shields, DeTeresa noted, so gunners can scan for enemy activity while gaining added protection.

Also at the hearing was Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis, head of Marine Corps Combat Development Command at Marine Corps Base, Quantico, Va. Mattis, who commanded Marines in Iraq, noted U.S. troops in Iraq now find "40 to 60 percent of the IEDs before they are detonated."

Added vehicle armor is a good thing for protecting troops in Iraq, Mattis agreed, but he cautioned not to use armor "to encase the soldiers and Marines so well that they cannot see what's going on outside."

re: PMC guntrucks, would it not be possible to put a kind of roof or screen over the box to ward off the errant/lucky hand grenade?

Or the designers don't consider hand grenades a major issue when it comes to guntrucks

New pictures of Marine Guntrucks are on the Orbat site:

http://www.hueybravo.net/Marinepages/PMCguntrucks.htm
http://www.hueybravo.net

Enjoy guys!

Nicely made if i may add.
Question though, how come the tires on those trucks are not armor protected? are those the type of tires designed to run even when hit by sharpnels or bullets?

Any update on your RPG cage project? Will such be installed on these guntrucks?

Question. Has there been a study if the gun truck approach could be applied to our jitneys? It would mean a lower capacity to carry troops but would be perfect for narrow places where the truck would find it hard to go to.

Also, can't we make our jitneys into something like the half tracks of old? Old tech and simple but effective in my opinion. Until we could make something like the Wiesel light tanks that is.

I believe thats been done with some of the HUMVEES (HUMMER)



Humve "Iron Eagle"; Armor plates used in the hardening of the 6th Battalion vehicles were salvaged from LVTP5 hulks and given new life. Talisman and Iron Eagle images from Gallant Warriors From the Sea.

Like these you mean?






Or a Jeepney converted to this :


I've been looking for a model kit of a jeepney on a good enough scale might convert it to a somesort of gun truck someday. I found a die cast Jeepney that cost $35.00 I'll kill myself if I waste in converting such a toy.

As to our AFP's own initiative, as added protection for our troops, for sure it's on the drawing board with the "Iron Eagle" as prototype. For new builts there are many armoured car manufacturers around. But hey, why built a new design when we have the Simbas and the Kalakians. But again, it goes back to the budget.

Well, that's the best alternative for our troops for a while. Remember, the Americans are doing the same in Iraq with the threats of RPGs and IEDs.

The PMC can convert Humvees and other jeeps into something like these two:

Poland's Dzik with RCWS:


or the Shorland Armored Patrol Car:

Great pics of PMC LAV 300:

Shonen Red's LAV 300 walk around photos

The USMC's version of attack vehicle, amodified M151

http://www.armyjeeps.net/M151/m151a2_comba...ack_vehicle.htm

Combat Attack Vehicle (C. A. V.) M151-A2. Modified, one of 121 built by the U. S. M. C. at camp La June. Basic modifications are engine, suspension, four inch lift to allow for large sand tires, four special equipment baskets, 2 on rear and 1 on each front fender, front mounted spare, 2" thick Kevlar plate on the front of the hood to deflect enemy fire, integral roll cage, pioneer rack, wire cutters and four foot spud bar. Armament is top mounted 50 Cal., 5 each M16s, M60 in front of passenger seat, M79 grenade launcher, two rocket launchers - one over the drivers doorway and one under the 50 Cal. operators seat. Has storage boxes and cans for roughly 3000 rounds of ammo, camouflage netting on the hood. Painted flat black with 2 roll bar mounted infrared lights.

What about this one?

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/cat_ground_vehicles.html


ONE BAD HUMMER
Traditionally, Humvees come armed with a single weapon -- a big machine gun, say, or a grenade launcher. But a new Hummer, developed by the Army's Training and Doctrine Command, "may put the firepower of an entire heavy-weapons platoon into one vehicle," according to an Army news release.


The Assault Weapon System... features an MK-19 grenade launcher, .50-caliber machine gun and two TOW missile-firing platforms.

All three of the weapon systems are connected to a central Improved Target Acquisition System that gives the gunner the option of firing each weapon with the flick of a switch and automatically gauges the range of the target by using an eye-safe laser range finder.

When the gunner flips a switch on the control panel and charges the weapon of choice, the display will change for the particular weapon and will show the sights for that weapon.

“We can have one vehicle doing the job of three, or we can have three vehicles doing three times as much,” he said.

The vehicle on display was a watered-down version of the tactical vehicle that is still in the construction phase.

Plans for the tactical version include a smaller, collapsible turret, removable composite armor plating, undercarriage protection from mines, a smaller targeting screen, and the gunner’s seat may be moved to the rear of the vehicle to allow for another team member and lower the distractions for both the gunner and the commander.