Title: Philippine Army says needs more ordnance quickly
caterwaul - August 29, 2008 10:46 AM (GMT)
By Manny Mogato MANILA, Aug 29 (Reuters) - The Philippine military has asked the government to quickly replenish ammunition stockpiles as supplies were running low after nearly two weeks of fighting with Muslim rebels, according to documents seen by ...
read more...after only two weeks supplies are almost depleted, ammo stockpiles maybe only good for 1 month :armyeek:
City Hunter - August 29, 2008 12:40 PM (GMT)
Does anyone know how things were when Pres. Estrada waged an all-out war against these malcontents?
page mcney - August 29, 2008 02:33 PM (GMT)
what i knew before was that this also happened during erap's term but when erap ordered the government and military to immediately supply and stockpile ammunition to be used against the war on the MILF within less than a week the military has a full stock of the said ammunition, that's why the military didn't stop blasting these rebels because they have continous supply of ammunitions... until the rebels where almost decimated at camp abubakar and other regions of their control...
ctrlaltdel - August 29, 2008 08:56 PM (GMT)
yes, the issue of rapidly depleting ordnance did not come out at the height of the camp abubakar offensive.
there could be a problem if the other MILF commanders join the fray :armyeek:
paratorpe - August 30, 2008 03:17 AM (GMT)
This is one of what im talking about, Inventory management is not even military related.
seWer Rat - August 30, 2008 04:51 AM (GMT)
what is there to manage if there's no inventory in the ammo dumps and armory?
:armysmile:
page mcney - August 30, 2008 02:53 PM (GMT)
the military has a weak management-style system, even in auditing halos kulang o wala silang capability... :headbang:
seWer Rat - September 2, 2008 01:28 AM (GMT)
how did you know about this? were you able to observe first-han how the AFP manages and audits its logistics? :armywink:
page mcney - September 2, 2008 02:31 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (seWer Rat @ Sep 2 2008, 09:28 AM) |
| how did you know about this? were you able to observe first-han how the AFP manages and audits its logistics? :armywink: |
yes...
seWer Rat - September 3, 2008 11:50 AM (GMT)
interesting, I believe you are doing your best to improve its efficiency from where you sit.
page mcney - September 4, 2008 02:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (seWer Rat @ Sep 3 2008, 07:50 PM) |
| interesting, I believe you are doing your best to improve its efficiency from where you sit. |
a-a, just observing there management, had given such advices, but top brass just turned a blind eye over it...
panzerkampfwagen - September 10, 2008 11:34 PM (GMT)
Eng eng talaga sila,kainis :headbang:
Sa reuters pa natin nalaman,nakakahiya naman. Ayusin sana ng AFP at government ang pagmanage sa mga pangunahing pangangailangan ng mga sundalo natin. Hindi talaga magandang balita yan.
paratorpe - September 11, 2008 12:50 AM (GMT)
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Rear Admiral Emilio Marayag, who was assistant to the deputy chief of staff in charge of personnel (J-1), said the military has “the most stringent promotion system” compared to other countries in the region, so much so that “you have to be superman” to be able to skirt it.
If the promotion system is to be refined, he summarized the ideal stages of promotion for an officer: starting out as a “warrior” when he is a lieutenant up to captain, then becoming a “manager” as he reaches the senior level of lieutenant colonel, and elevated to “diplomat” when he becomes colonel. |
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| a course that would “teach generals to think like generals,” Carolina said |
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| it discovered in its nascent stages that breeding good leaders also comes from education, molding them even before they join the service. At the premier Philippine Military Academy (PMA), where 10 percent of the armed forces officer corps come from, curriculum standards were deteriorating and the number of applicants had dropped. |
Do you learn Management in PMA? or in actual Battles?
Its all about "corporate standards". The AFP or this government should be run like a professional corporation not like a livelihood project.
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| interesting, I believe you are doing your best to improve its efficiency from where you sit. |
Yes, sitting in college chair where you learn business and management will help a lot and practicing it in real business sitting in the comfortable chair of the so called CEO office.
This is the reason why the PNP seems to be getting a step ahead, its because they value education, college graduates are required and schooling for officers.
If they failed to see this failed organization system then this is going no where, they cant win a war if you cant properly organize themselves, at least some officer have already noticed it. Read the article it is interesting, at least for me.
page mcney - September 13, 2008 03:37 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (paratorpe @ Sep 11 2008, 08:50 AM) |
http://newsbreak.com.ph/index.php?option=c...Itemid=88889051
| QUOTE | Rear Admiral Emilio Marayag, who was assistant to the deputy chief of staff in charge of personnel (J-1), said the military has “the most stringent promotion system” compared to other countries in the region, so much so that “you have to be superman” to be able to skirt it.
If the promotion system is to be refined, he summarized the ideal stages of promotion for an officer: starting out as a “warrior” when he is a lieutenant up to captain, then becoming a “manager” as he reaches the senior level of lieutenant colonel, and elevated to “diplomat” when he becomes colonel. |
Do you learn Management in PMA? or in actual Battles?
Its all about "corporate standards". The AFP or this government should be run like a professional corporation not like a livelihood project.
Yes, sitting in college chair where you learn business and management will help a lot and practicing it in real business sitting in the comfortable chair of the so called CEO office.
This is the reason why the PNP seems to be getting a step ahead, its because they value education, college graduates are required and schooling for officers.
If they failed to see this failed organization system then this is going no where, they cant win a war if you cant properly organize themselves, at least some officer have already noticed it. Read the article it is interesting, at least for me.
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I whole-heartedly agree with comrade paratorpe comments! :salute: this is true, the AFP really lacks in management... :headbang:
paratorpe - September 29, 2008 01:33 AM (GMT)
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadl...ow-chief-of-PNPManagerial trainingAs PNP chief, Verzosa intends to make the force more efficient by training all 1,600 chiefs of police, 80 provincial commanders and 17 regional commanders to
become managers.“That will be our main agenda, to implement our program of building leadership from the chiefs of police up. That is what we lack in critical crime-prone areas and in
places with an insurgency problem,” he said.
According to Verzosa,
leadership at the top will result in efficiency. And a more efficient and better led police force will be capable of bringing down the crime rate and improving its anticrime campaign.
“All commanders will be accountable and responsible for the anticrime campaigns in their areas,” he said.
Verzosa is convinced that
training in management will allow commanders to link up with other stakeholders in the community to help in the prevention and solution of crimes in their areas.
The focus on management is the crux of the PNP’s Transformation Program, which Verzosa spearheaded during his term as deputy chief for administration, the PNP’s second highest post.
He also headed the Program Management Office.
kingkong - April 30, 2009 04:12 AM (GMT)
:fire:
The AFP needs to get more cannon shells and bullets
for the use of our PA soldiers.
Most specially the OV-10 bombs which is needed for
air support.