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Numbers - August 30, 2004 11:07 AM (GMT)
Malaysia, Philippines plan joint army exercises
KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) Aug 30, 2004
The Malaysian and Philippines armies are planning a joint military exercise and have agreed to post liaison officers in strategic cities, the official Bernama news agency reported Monday.

The moves come amid a drive by both countries against armed groups operating in the troubled southern islands of the Philippines and the waters off Malyasia's neighbouring Sabah state on Borneo island.

Malaysia's army chief General Mohamad Azumi Mohamed said after a meeting here with Philippine army commander Lieutenant General Efren L. Abu that the field exercise would take cooperation beyond the current exchange programmes involving senior officers to involve personnel at a lower level.

The agency gave no details of when or where the exercise would be held.

Mohamad Azumi said they had also agreed to station liaison officers in Zamboanga City in the southern Philippines and in Kota Kinabalu, capital of Malaysia's Sabah.

"These officers will link both armies in sharing intelligence as well as to coordinate joint operations, mainly in the southern Philippines and waters off Sabah," he said.

The southern Philippines has been plagued by Muslim separatist violence by the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, and Muslim Malaysia has offered a neutral venue for forthcoming peace talks as well as ceasefire monitors.

Abu said the Philippine army was grateful for Malaysian assistance, especially in combating armed groups.

Mohamad Azumi said the monitoring team would be based in Cotabato City in the restive Philippine island of Mindanao for a year.

The team, which Mohamad Azumi said was likely to leave in one or two weeks' time, will comprise 51 army officers, five police officers and another four foreign ministry officials.

Link

Wardog - July 12, 2006 05:15 AM (GMT)
Budget for the AFP contingent - PhP 3,000,000
Budget provided by Malaysia for its contingent - US$500,000.00 :armyeek:

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CLARK ECOZONE --- The Philippine-Malaysian joint military exercise called "Ex-Land Malphi 08-2006" officially started at the Philippine Air Force (PAF) City here on Monday.

Ninety-four Philippine Army (PA) troopers will be exchanging skills as they train side by side with their counterparts in the Malaysian Army, which consists of 65 personnel.

The joint military exercise will be held in selected areas here, according to Philippine Army (PA) officials.

During his speech, PA Chief Hermogenes Esperon said the military exercise is expected to strengthen the friendship and cooperation between the two nations. "In the furtherance of our shared goals over the years, exercise Land Malphi has been instrumental in forging our forces toward the vision of interoperability and in preserving the spirit of goodwill and cooperation between our nations," he said.

Esperon said the two countries, as members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nation (Asean), have contributed to regional unity, security, and peace.

"The bonding of our troops will reveal the similarities in our cultures and the oneness of our race towards the enhancement of our goodwill and brotherhood," he also said.

For his part, Malaysian Army Chief Tan Sri Dato' Sri Abdul Aziz Bin HJ Zainal said there will be an exchange of expertise and intelligence information as regards the anti-terrorism campaign of the two nations.

"If the information is detrimental to the Philippines, we will share it with your officials. [And if] it is detrimental to Malaysia, [the Philippine military] will share it with us," the Malaysian Army chief said.

He added that the joint military exercise will not only improve the capabilities of the participants but also build a strong relationship between the two countries.

Exercise Land Malphi is part of the Scope of Cooperation in the memorandum of understanding (MOU) forged by the two countries on Sep. 26, 1994. This led to the creation of the Malaysian-Philippine Military Cooperation Working Group (MalPhi-MCWG).

Spidey - April 12, 2007 01:37 AM (GMT)
RP, Malaysia Navies start war games

By Joel E. Zurbano

THE Philippine and Malaysian Navies began yesterday the 10-day naval exercises in waters off Luzon and Sulu which are considered a key conduit for Al Qaida-linked militants, human traffickers and arms smugglers, officials said.

Dubbed “Malphi Laut 2007,” the exercises will involve six Navy ships and about 300 personnel and is meant to allow the two Navies to communicate faster and jointly catch pirates, suspected terrorists and other outlaws, said Navy Capt. Orwen Cortez.

“Maritime terrorism is a big problem, but it’s not the only crime being committed in the maritime environment,” Cortez told a news conference in Manila, where a ceremony marked the exercises’ start. “We have other transnational crimes such as trafficking of drugs, human beings, military hardware.”

Three Navy vessels—BRP Artemio Ricarte, BRP Bienvenido Salting and BRP Quezon, one plane and one helicopter—are set to be used in the war games by two naval special operations teams.

The Malaysian Navy has sent three ships—KD Kedah, KD Laksamana Tan Pusmah, and KD Yu—and two special operations teams.

Malaysian Navy Capt. Hadji Rusli Bin Hadji Idrus, commander of the newly established directorate for the exercise Task Group 80.2, said the event will “promote regional security and improve relationship on working together.”

“We understand each other and we speak the same language... Navy to Navy,” said the Malaysian Navy officer.

“Malaysia has been the Philippine Navy’s strong partner in the development of national security, in the sense that we share common borders where transnational crimes are becoming the modern trends among terrorist groups and pirates,” said Navy chief Vice Adm. Rogelio Calunsag. “The exercise with Malaysia will also serve to support the Navy’s efforts along with the national government’s efforts to promote peace in Mindanao.”

manilatoday

saver111 - November 19, 2007 03:27 PM (GMT)
RP, Malaysian navies set joint border patrol

ZAMBOANGA CITY — The Philippine and Malaysian navies are scheduled to conduct joint border patrol exercise starting at the end of this month.

Naval Forces Western Mindanao (NFWM) deputy chief Col. Edgar Abogado said the joint border patrol involving Navy boats and personnel of the two countries will last for 10 days.

Abogado said the opening ceremony and the first three days of the exercise will be conducted in this city.

During these three days, the activities will include a series of conferences with other concerned government agencies concerning maritime laws, according to Abogado.

He said there will also be sports festival, city tour and socials together with the visiting Malaysian Navy officers and personnel.

After the first three days of exercises, the joint Navy forces will proceed to Malaysia for the continuation and completion of the 10-day joint border patrol exercise.

Abogado said they have already requested for diplomatic clearance from Malaysian authorities for the entry of the Philippine Navy boats and personnel in Malaysian waters.

The Philippines-Malaysian (Phil-Mal) joint border patrol exercise is conducted twice a year to strengthen the inter-operability of navies of the two countries that share common maritime borders.

The first Phil-Mal joint border exercise was conducted in June this year.

During that exercise, the Philippine Navy intercepted five vessels and investigated 159 suspects for violation of maritime laws.

The Philippine contingent also confiscated sizable quantity of ammonium nitrate, a regulated substance commonly used for dynamite fishing.

The Malaysian Navy apprehended 10 water craft and inspected a total of 142 vessels at high seas. The navies of the two countries utilized a combined 15 ships during the first PhilMal joint border patrol exercise.


http://www.mb.com.ph/PROV20071119109076.html

israeli - April 22, 2008 05:09 PM (GMT)
Malaysia to withdraw peacekeepers from Mindanao
Yahoo! News
Monday April 21, 6:30 PM


KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Malaysia will withdraw its peacekeepers from the southern Philippine region of Mindanao in September, the government said on Monday, dealing a blow to multinational efforts to secure peace in the troubled region.

Unarmed Malaysian soldiers have been in Mindanao since 2004 as part of an effort to end nearly 40 years of conflict that has killed more than 120,000 people and displaced 2 million. Libya and Brunei also have small contingents in the monitoring team.

Malaysia's mandate for the so-called International Monitoring Team (IMT) will not be extended after it expires in September, Foreign Minister Rais Yatim said.

"The thing is, we have to get cooperation from both sides," the official Bernama news agency quoted him as saying. "But if one party is not making the effort, we will have to end the mission."

A ceasefire between Manila and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) has held for almost five years, but there are rumblings within MILF ranks that peace talks are not headed anywhere.

The MILF has been in on-off talks with the government for more than 10 years, but an agreement appears distant to end the long-running conflict.

The peace talks, brokered by the Malaysian government, stalled in December 2007 when the MILF accused the government of changing a number of consensus points in a proposed agreement on Muslim homeland in the south of the mainly Catholic state.

israeli - April 22, 2008 05:13 PM (GMT)
Manila fears violence in south when monitors leave
Yahoo! News
Tuesday April 22, 3:54 PM


MANILA (Reuters) - The Philippines fears the rise of more radical elements within the country's largest Muslim rebel group after Malaysia pulls out peace monitors later this year, Manila's chief negotiator with the group said on Tuesday.

Rodolfo Garcia, a retired general, said there could also be a breakdown in the nearly five-year-old ceasefire between government forces and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) as the withdrawal of peace monitors would affect negotiations.

"There's no guarantee of continued stability on the ground in the south if the Malaysians pack up their bags and go home," Garcia told Reuters in an interview, adding radical groups within the MILF have been itching to resume hostilities.

Malaysian Foreign Minister Rais Yatim said on Monday that Malaysia's mandate for the International Monitoring Team will not be extended when it expires in September.

"The thing is, we have to get cooperation from both sides," the official Bernama news agency quoted him as saying. "But if one party is not making the effort, we will have to end the mission."

That comment appeared to be directed at Manila, which has been accused of dragging its feet on reaching a peace deal with the rebels.

While he conceded progress in the talks was slow, Garcia defended the Philippine government's cautious efforts in ensuring a peace deal that could be implemented smoothly.

"I think it is the government's duty to conduct due diligence on what the two sides would eventually agree because there are so many legal and constitutional issues involved," he said, adding the government had not turned its back on the peace process.

"It remains as one of the government's priorities and we're hoping to wrap it up before August this year."

Negotiations between the government and the MILF have been going on for more than 10 years, making some rebel commanders doubt the sincerity of the government in ending the conflict.

Philippine security officials said some MILF field commanders in Lanao and Maguindanao provinces with suspected links to regional radical group Jemaah Islamiah have been telling comrades to abandon the talks because the government was not sincere.

"We knew how difficult it is for the MILF leadership to rein in some field commanders who are getting impatient," Garcia said, adding the longer it takes for the two sides to resolve issues, the greater the pressure from radicals.

The monitoring team has been in place in strife-torn areas of Mindanao island since October 2004 and helped slash skirmishes between troops and Muslim rebels from 700 incidents in 2002 to less than a dozen in 2007.

The unarmed monitors include about 50 troops from Malaysia, 10 from Brunei, two Libyan diplomats and a Japanese development worker.

flipzi - April 22, 2008 05:21 PM (GMT)
It will be better for the AFP and PNP to prepare for the worst.

Once the influential foreign monitoring body gets out of the scene, expect the resurgence of skirmishes across Mindanao.

Better yet, buy the needed weapons like attack helicopters and multi-role fighters for heavy bombing.

CONSIDER THESE FELLOWS, the Tipo-Tipo incident have shown what a well organized attack can do to a large number of soldiers, even when armed with tanks and augmented by highly-trained men.

The equalizer is a DEPENDABLE AIR FORCE.

Of course, let's pursue the peace process, BUT BETTER BE READY FOR ANY EVENTUALITY.

israeli - May 5, 2008 02:14 AM (GMT)
Malaysia’s offer: Peace negotations for Sabah claim?
By Paolo Romero
The Philippine Star
Monday, May 5, 2008


The Malaysian government is pressuring the Philippines to give up its claim to Sabah in exchange for its continued support for the peace talks between the government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), a ranking security official said yesterday.

The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue, said this explains why Malaysian facilitators have surprisingly been forceful on the stalled negotiations between the government and the MILF.

The official, who sits in Cabinet meetings on national security, said the Malaysian government wants the Philippines to put up a consulate in Sabah.

“When we do that (put up consulate in Sabah), you know what that means,” the official said.

The official said it was surprising that Malaysian facilitators were issuing statements blaming the Philippine government for the slow progress of the talks, adding that the Sabah issue “has been impressed upon the government a long time ago when the negotiations started.”

The source said the government negotiators, in their dealings with the Malaysians facilitators, never gave indication that the Philippines was giving up its claim over Sabah.

The official said it was unusual for third party mediators or facilitators to be making threats, in this case, pulling out ceasefire monitors in Mindanao.

Talks between the government and the MILF are currently stalled due to the ancestral domain issue or which areas should be included in the new autonomous region in Mindanao.

The government said any agreement on ancestral domain should conform with the Constitution.

“The Malaysian government should understand this. They are a government with a Constitution,” the official said.

Sentinel - May 5, 2008 05:03 AM (GMT)
f--k those sons of bitches!

They really think they can scare us coz the they have better arms and equipment?
Let 'em try. Bring it on Assholes! prerare to die with your MILF,MNLF,ASG brothers!

flipzi - May 5, 2008 07:01 AM (GMT)
they might have noticed how RP is dealing with China on economic aids vis-a-vis the Spratly's issue

MSantor - May 5, 2008 08:02 AM (GMT)
I think that this is not the time to reassert the RP's Sabah claim since the RP has a multitude of other internal and external problems to deal with first.

Sentinel,

Puro salita ka lang. I'd like to see you say those same words when RMAF F18s are strafing your house! :headbang: That is why you need MRFs right now!!!!!!!!

Sentinel - May 5, 2008 08:41 AM (GMT)
MSantor, do you think im stupid to stay in my house and wait to die? you know what flies an F-18? a human, made of flesh and blood, who will die if shot, stabbed, hacked, stoned, hit with an iron pipe on the right place, Modern man has not yet developed a way to survive a violent and lethal attack., he will still die a prolonged and agonizing death by the use of an opponent of ancient weapons/s. Why the f--k would i wait for him to fly his plane and attack when i can get him at home, or his base or wherever the f--k he is. What is your problem? If you have plans of collaborating with Malaysians, Chinese or some other sons of bitches if they come and invade, that's fine, as for me and other God fearing, Self respecting Filipinos, we'll try and kill as many of those Assholes as we can before we ourselves get killed.

MSantor - May 6, 2008 04:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sentinel @ May 5 2008, 04:41 PM)
MSantor, do you think im stupid to stay in my house and wait to die? you know what flies an F-18? a human, made of flesh and blood, who will die if shot, stabbed, hacked, stoned, hit with an iron pipe on the right place,  Modern man has not yet developed a way to survive a violent and lethal attack., he will still die a prolonged and agonizing  death by the use of an opponent of ancient weapons/s. Why the f--k would i wait for him to fly his plane and attack when i can get him at home, or his base or wherever the f--k he is.

:lollol: Wow, just wow. Mayroong tayong bida dito. :armyroleyes:

If you want to fight those Malaysian PT90 and Scorpion tanks with only a Bolo and a Molotov cocktail, then be my guest, but if you are going to fight a war against an enemy, then you might as well fight to win and FIGHT IN THE SMART WAY. Which means that you must have better equipment than your enemy if you are so eager to fight with them.

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What is your problem? If you have plans of collaborating with Malaysians, Chinese or some other sons of bitches if they come and invade, that's fine, as for me and other God fearing, Self respecting Filipinos, we'll try and kill as many of those Assholes as we can before we ourselves get killed.


Be careful who you accuse of being a traitor. I may live in Canada now, but I still care about the Philippines' external defense- that is why I think you must get MRFs to counter any possible invasion by any possible future adversary of the RP.

Kahit na, I don't think that the Chicoms or the Malaysians would be stupid enough to invade main islands of the Philippines if they ever started a war with the RP. They know very well that occupying the Philippines will be sheer hell for them because that lesson was taught to the Japanese for trying to occupy the Philippines during World War II; Filipino guerrilas certainly made sure of that. Furthemore, I don't think that the Malaysians or the Chinese government have an interest in occupying the main islands of the Philippines anyways and would most probably only want to just take the Spratleys Islands, and they probably would not want to take care of more people to feed if they ever occupy the Philippines' main islands, especially with China's own huge population and limited resources.

However, if the Malaysians or the Chinese do start a war with the RP and eventually want to win, they still will just bombard the Philippines using regular air strikes and even use their superior warships and submarine flotillas to blockade the Philippines and eventually choke the RP's supply lines to the outside world. Thus, they will bombard you from the air until your economy and infrastructure is destroyed, if one of the Philippines' foreign allies like the United States doesn't intervene to help you before too long.

The only case where I see the Malaysians invading the Philippines proper would be if a radical Islamic group came to power either through a coup or elections and started using their military to conquer the rest of Southeast Asia in the name of Islam to make a new Islamic Caliphate in the region; however, I think this is more possble with Indonesia given the actions/presence of the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah there, though one cannot certainly write off Malaysia's own radicals as a less credible threat as well.

pachador - May 6, 2008 04:39 PM (GMT)
I am just curious. those posters here who do not want to saber rattle or do not want to rock the boat about sabah or spratlys -------> what part of the philippines are you from? and what is your mother or main dialect that do you speak?

MSantor - May 6, 2008 05:27 PM (GMT)
Taga-Manila, born and raised. Now living in Vancouver, BC, Canada! :patrioticpinoy: Marunong naman ako mag-Tagalog, pero taga-Bicol yung Tatay ko and taga-Sulu yung Nanay ko.

edwin - May 7, 2008 05:29 AM (GMT)
Sabah is already invaded by Filipinos, mostly Muslim.

Labas pasok ang mga kababayan natin Muslim Pinoy dun sa Sabah na walang passport and i think Malaysian immigration are having a lot of headache when it comes to this problem.

The malaysian authorities are trying to prevent the Pinoy in entering Sabah by catching our kababayan and sent back hundred of them, but after deportation another batch of illegal pinoys are coming.

Pinababayaan na lang ng mga malaysian dahil di nila kayang pigilin. Close one eye na lang sila sa mga pinoy na nakatira sa Sabah even they are of illegal status.



Sentinel - May 7, 2008 09:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (MSantor @ May 7 2008, 12:09 AM)
:lollol:  Wow, just wow. Mayroong tayong bida dito. :armyroleyes:

If you want to fight those Malaysian PT90 and Scorpion tanks with only a Bolo and a Molotov cocktail, then be my guest, but if you are going to fight a war against an enemy, then you might as well fight to win and FIGHT IN THE SMART WAY. Which means that you must have better equipment than your enemy if you are so eager to fight with them.



Be careful who you accuse of being a traitor. I may live in Canada now, but I still care about the Philippines' external defense- that is why I think you must get MRFs to counter any possible invasion by any possible future adversary of the RP.

Kahit na, I don't think that the Chicoms or the Malaysians would be stupid enough to invade main islands of the Philippines if they ever started a war with the RP. They know very well that occupying the Philippines will be sheer hell for them because that lesson was taught to the Japanese for trying to occupy the Philippines during World War II; Filipino guerrilas certainly made sure of that. Furthemore, I don't think that the Malaysians or the Chinese government have an interest in occupying the main islands of the Philippines anyways and would most probably only want to just take the Spratleys Islands, and they probably would not want to take care of more people to feed if they ever occupy the Philippines' main islands, especially with China's own huge population and limited resources.

However, if the Malaysians or the Chinese do start a war with the RP and eventually want to win, they still will just bombard the Philippines using regular air strikes and even use their superior warships and submarine flotillas to blockade the Philippines and eventually choke the RP's supply lines to the outside world. Thus, they will bombard you from the air until your economy and infrastructure is destroyed, if one of the Philippines' foreign allies like the United States doesn't intervene to help you before too long.

The only case where I see the Malaysians invading the Philippines proper would be if a radical Islamic group came to power either through a coup or elections and started using their military to conquer the rest of Southeast Asia in the name of Islam to make a new Islamic Caliphate in the region; however, I think this is more possble with Indonesia given the actions/presence of the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah there, though one cannot certainly write off Malaysia's own radicals as a less credible threat as well.


Sino pa BIDA? :nono: kung may BIDA dito, may KONTRA-BiDA din dapat right? wonder who could that be.

I'm just stating the facts MSantor. Who do you think would refuse Modern Armaments? But for the time being you make do with what you have, and try to find new ways of defeating your enemies, with what's available, conjure ways and means to give him a bloody nose, so much so that he would think twice before attempting something he has no way of winning.

BTW, i did not accuse you of being a traitor, the operative word there is IF.

kopinux - May 7, 2008 01:55 PM (GMT)
in my opinion the only way sabah to come back to philippines is philippines should push to become a first world country. so rich even palau might join the band wagon.

gen1 - May 7, 2008 10:54 PM (GMT)
giving up the sabah claim for malaysia's help in peace negotiations is not a good deal. dehado tayo.

Besides, its to malaysia's interest too to have peace in mindanao. marami-rami rin ang magugulong kumag ang lumulipat sa malaysia kapag masyado nang mainit sila sa mindanao :lollol:

spellspinner - May 8, 2008 11:02 AM (GMT)
Perhaps we can look at it another way. History is replete with strategies for national unification. Primary among these strategies is the creation of an external agressor. Filipinos may be fragmented when dealing with national issues, but there could be little question that we will rally round the flag at the first sign of an external threat, be it China or Malaysia.

I use the word "creation" because the issue may or may not be real. It could be spin to promote the interests of the ruling party.

As to the issue of equipment, I agree that it is one factor that determines the outcome of such conflicts. But Vietnam outlasted the US in its own war and it was not a question of who had better guns or tanks or planes. One of the main factors there was that the Vietnamese were fighting for their homes, and the Americans for, among others, economic gain. So motive would be a decisive factor, too

Now, should we engage Malaysia or any other country, it has to be clear to us what we would be fighting for. Mere pride would be insufficient motivation, but survival, thats a different story.

el_ramon - May 8, 2008 01:33 PM (GMT)
another item in my "why i dont like Malaysia".. darn its getting really to be a long list.
for me this is another proof why malaysia is a land grabber.(kapal ng mga mukha)

Zero wing - May 8, 2008 03:28 PM (GMT)
Well its a tactic i think the Malaysians and the MILF and other groups so no go to hell Malaysia !!! we don't need your help and someday sabah will be ours very soon :patrioticpinoy:

City Hunter - May 8, 2008 11:13 PM (GMT)
Sabi ko na nga ba may hidden agenda itong mga Malaysians kaya nag volunteer to be a mediator.

pachador - May 9, 2008 07:06 PM (GMT)
here is another example of malaysia's deception:

http://www.library.unsw.edu.au/~thesis/adt.../05chapter4.pdf

victor - May 10, 2008 04:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Zero wing @ May 8 2008, 11:28 PM)
Well its a tactic i think the Malaysians and the MILF and other groups so no go to hell Malaysia !!! we don't need your help and someday sabah will be ours very soon :patrioticpinoy:

WHY THE REVIVAL OF THE CLAIM NOW?

The Malaysian authorities have been deporting, we are not sure
if this is the right term for this action knowing the existence of legal claim to North
Borneo, thousands of Filipinos from Sabah for being illegals and for lack of necessary
documents. There are allegations of inhuman treatments and rapes by Malaysian authorities
which are currently being investigated by both governments. It is also good to point out
that illegal Indonesians are likewise being sent home through Kalimantan (Borneo part
of Indonesia). Both the Philippine and the Indonesian governments have protested the
mass deportation and have indignation rallies against the Malaysian action.

Since the time memorial the numerous ethnic tribes in the southern Philippines notably
the Tausugs and Badjaos have been traversing the Celebes Sea from Sulu to Borneo and
other parts of Indonesia. These tribes are sea faring people and settled from anywhere
around the region. To curtail these movements, the Malaysians have decided to demand
document from the Filipinos in Sabah. Undocumented Filipinos were deported and could
only be admitted back when there are necessary papers presented. This situation is
extremely hard specially to those who have fled the secessionist war during the seventies
and eighties as they are refugees and do not have any travel documents. These Muslim
Filipinos have considered Sabah as part of their domain as their ancestors have been
doing centuries ago. That part of southeast asia is bound by common religion, history
and people.

victor - May 10, 2008 04:37 AM (GMT)
I think the 90% Christian majority of the Philippines understand and share the feelings of the Sabahans. Middle age Filipinos had the felling of connectivity towards the Sabahans for the Philippine history dictates the historical connection and experiences.

If Sabah chose to be part of the Philippines, then their interest will be well protected and respected. The Philippine government is the bastion of democracy in Asia and the Filipinos knows it by heart.

It is said the majority of the Christian Sabahans are fearful of the mass immigration if Sabah would be integrated to the Philippines, will that fear is unfounded, the Philippine government respect diversity and would surely protect the interest and right of its citizens.

Like the Christian Filipino, Christian Sabahans will also enjoy the same, and be protected to the fullest extent of the law. Christian Sabahans should not be fearful to its brother Filipinos; they are the same and have shared the same in time and space.

Let lost that fear, look forward for the brighter future!

pachador - May 10, 2008 06:19 AM (GMT)
yes, that is correct . the original majority of sabah are surprisingly christians called the the Kadazan-Dusun-Muruts, but the malaysian govt has been encouraging muslims to immigrate to sabah.

once the christians of sabah are suffieciently threatened and abused if malaysia ever becomes a radical islamic country, who are the sabahans gonna call?? who else but 90 million neighbor christians in the philippines.


pachador - May 10, 2008 06:39 AM (GMT)
as for those who fear that the malaysians will try to resupply the mnlf or milf with arms again, that will not happen, why?

the geopolitics today are completely different.

it is known that malaysia is already slightly antagonistic to towards the US. its not as bad yet as how the iranians feel but the hostile feeling is there (search google for news articles about this), and the americans know this . the americans already know too about the abu sayaf as well.

it is due to this 2 hostile parties that the americans and australians have intelligence assets and forces scaterred all over mindanao, and this is the reason the australians and american are helping the AFP with the Coast watch radar system.

This is the reason why there will be no replay of the malaysian smuggling of arms to mindanao.

There is nothing to be ashamed of about being patriotic and expressing what we feel about sabah specially if we are historically and morally right. The vietnamese and chinese regularly express their patriotism in their forums so why not us?its a free society and we can express how we feel and nobody is advocating war, we are just advocating that sabah is ours, and our advocacy is not out of thin air but based on historical facts and documents. What is instead shameful and embarassing is to hide one's patriotism under the blanket of fear and expediency.

pachador - May 10, 2008 04:32 PM (GMT)
May 11, 2008

Rebellion in South RP’s ‘problem’

Bishop: Malaysian pullout tells Manila alone can solve insurgency

By Anthony Vargas,Manila Times

A Roman Catholic bishop from Basilan on Saturday said the pullout of Malaysia as a truce observer from the country’s southern Mindanao region should serve as a reminder to the Philippine government that it alone could bring peace there.

According to Bishop Martin Jumoad of the prelature of Isabela, the withdrawal of a Malaysian unit from the International Monitoring Team (IMT) is a clear sign that Manila on its own should solve the Muslim insurgency in the region. The rebellion aimed at the establishment by the Muslim minority of an independent Islamic state has festered in Mindanao for more than 30 years. Jumoad said it has claimed thousands of lives, both Christian and Muslim.

“It’s good [that the contingent is leaving]. Our problem must be solved by our government, not by other governments,” Jumoad said during an interview over Radio Veritas, a Catholic Church-run radio station.

The Muslim uprising is “an internal problem . . . and do we expect others to solve it for us? What a shame!” the Basilan bishop added.


The Bishop is absolutely correct !!!


warlord - May 10, 2008 04:52 PM (GMT)
The mercury is rising. Malays finally slip. They been engaged in indirect action against the AFP since long time ago. Where did Nur Misuari run and hide when the AFP launch an all out war against MILF?
He run to his handler (Malaysia). Now is the time for the Generals to finish these MILF and the rest of the Muslim rebels. Malays been acting like a fool for a long time because Marco's was not the leader of the Philippines no more. Philippines and Indonesia need to split Malays in half like planned during the late 60's between the two countries. Indonesia act on it but they did not commit all there troops and Philippines pre-plan attack on Sabah was exposed. Philippines politics need to fund the military to buy multirole fighters like the F-16C, Asw aircrafts, anti-aircraft missiles, radars and scud or land based tomahawks forget getting expensive naval ships and tanks. Philippines need to stablish a first strike capability before the rest. Israel uses there F-16's to strike saddam's nuclear reactor and Syria's also. Military strong countries earn respect by it's neighbors. Weak military countries looses it's islands and it's people get abused like those women who was raped and deported in Sabah. The Philippine government and military just bend over and take it up there butt's. It's degrading act now or it will be too late.

Zero wing - May 10, 2008 05:14 PM (GMT)
Amen brother Amen but back to reality nice in all but one problem offfical to tell u the ture i dont believe that the RP is poor we are only poor because of courp officals in the military and civilian government and we are a non nato Ally how come they cant make deals to update and upgrade equipment as NON NATO ally we are entitled to have the best equipment that the US can throw at us and also other American ally countries for both external/COIN operations ??? i think the gov't is not doing a good job kasi is they did the Insurgency ended years ago :patrioticpinoy:

spiderweb6969 - May 11, 2008 01:39 AM (GMT)
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MSantor - May 11, 2008 02:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (warlord @ May 11 2008, 12:52 AM)
Philippines politics need to fund the military to buy multirole fighters like the F-16C, Asw aircrafts, anti-aircraft missiles, radars and scud or land based tomahawks forget getting expensive naval ships and tanks. Philippines need to stablish a first strike capability before the rest. Israel uses there F-16's to strike saddam's nuclear reactor and Syria's also. Military strong countries earn respect by it's neighbors.

:armyroleyes: As I said before the Tomahawk is a kind of SSM that the US will never share/sell to any of its allies, and belongs in the same class of US-made weapons that will never be exported, such as the B2 bomber, the NIMITZ class carrier and the F22 Raptor fighter, so forget about them.

Notice how the Japanese have their AEGIS destroyers but the US still does not trust the JSDF enough to give them the tomahawks that would make these Japanese AEGIS ships have the same offensive capability as their American counterparts. That is why JMSDF ships only have Harpoons for SSMs.Tomahawks have been sold to the UK, the US’s closest ally, although very unlikely to be sold to any other country.

Warlord, I think it is just outright crazy and impractical for you to be thinking of getting strike package options that are more advanced than MRFs, such as Tomahawks, when the RP does not even have basic external defense capabilities in the form of MRFs with an array of AAMs and ASMs, a SAM network to protect Philippine cities, as well as modern warships equipped with both SAMs and SSMs, WHICH SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY!!!!! :headbang:

warlord - May 11, 2008 07:37 AM (GMT)
Tomahwak's operators are American allies, British, Spain, Australia, maybe Israel. The only tomahawks the American sold to it's aliies was the conventional not the nuclear armed tomahawks. Why would you consider getting a ship when you don't own the sky and can't even strike your enemy first. Ships are too slow and limited of it's weapons range.

adrian_yamato - May 11, 2008 11:32 AM (GMT)
Malaysians, should withdraw, It's an internal problem,

el_ramon - May 11, 2008 01:48 PM (GMT)
good riddance. douche bags are bad for us(sorry mods).

MSantor - May 11, 2008 03:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (warlord @ May 11 2008, 03:37 PM)
Tomahwak's operators are American allies, British, Spain, Australia, maybe Israel. The only tomahawks the American sold to it's aliies was the conventional not the nuclear armed tomahawks. Why would you consider getting a ship when you don't own the sky and can't even strike your enemy first. Ships are too slow and limited of it's weapons range.


I really doubt the US would still Tomahawks to the Philippines anyways. And you keep making all these advanced offensive equipment purchases for the RP when you have yet to realize that the RP may not necessarily have the budget for it.

BTW, I highlighted my very last sentence because everything in that sentence, including the MRFs and the SAM batteries, should be considered equal priority along with the modern warships. Don't make assumptions and read what I wrote very carefully.

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Zero wing - May 11, 2008 09:24 PM (GMT)
I dont think so were an NON Nato ally so i think their is a chance we can get it but like u said we dont have the budget to buy but may be old versons but i agree on that the MRF fighters should be our priority then next are ships and defense SAM

Zero wing - May 11, 2008 09:36 PM (GMT)
Talaga na man !!! u know i think people love taking advantage over Filipinos since time and memorial people play us around! Brothers am in total agrement with u they didnt do anything but go to MILF Camps like it was a town festa man! good bye and dont come back F@cKing Malokosians

pachador - May 12, 2008 08:49 PM (GMT)
North Borneo(Sabah) cartoon dedicated to those who do not like to get to the bottom of the truth and justice by hiding under a blanket of fear-mongering(inuunahan na tayo ng takot sa mga bagay na hindi pa nang-yayari). Think positive , and think peace while championing what is right and what is just.

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