So the Army opted for the Daewoo K3 over the Minimi/M249 and Ultimax. Mindful of op-sec issues, can anybody give an idea of how this Korean weapon has performed so far?

Is the K3 what it was touted to be? That is, a Minimi clone that does the same things for a lower price?

Also, I’ve followed a bit of the debate here and other forums on a military’s choice of SAW, say between the M249-type belt-fed SAW vs the mag/drum-fed-only Ultimax. Has the Army’s employment of the SAW point to the heavier M249 clone as being the right choice vs a lighter SAW like the Ultimax in the Philippine setting?

as per DND report, 6,000 plus K3 SAWS were awarded to Daewoo for the Army of which 2,150 SAWS were already delivered as well as several thousand rounds of amunition. The minimi reportrdly won the pre-bid,but complaints of its expensive parts, as well as the lower and more gacious offer by Daewoo clinched the deal. These SAWS were part of the 600 plus 1 1/4 ton trucks delivered for a packaged price.

Im glad that they got the K3, rugged and cheap, though a bit heavier but easy parts unlike the minimi which reportedly cost close to a miliion each,yeyks! Korean army and Indonesia uses them as their choice as standard SAW rifles. :snipemo:

if its from Korea and made by Daewoo then it must be good.

My phone is a Samsung, my TV is LG, my car is a Kia Sorento and they're all good.

:armysmile:

hmmmm...Whats next with Korean Products pouring in our country?

We have Korean Electronics like TV, monitors, surplus computers, Cars, jeeps, Trucks, Patrol boats, Hope that next to come will be their A50 jets. Kahit mga 18 units of these KIA Lockheed jet will be a welcome and 2 samples of T50 trainers.

What do you think? Korean will have a boost in marketing their A50 jets if they are in actual use by our AirForce for Anti-Insurgency, Territorial Water patrols and Joint-Exercise with the US Forces.

Nope, even the Koreans know selling us a few million dollars worth of guns and trucks is a whole lot different from selling us (now or in the near future) say just a squadron of jet aircraft that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

So how about those K3s...

Me too hoping that will happen kasi we need badly

Whats next?for the Army, id like a new platform for our AIVFS, 250 of these K21's in different configurations will be a good platform for the future IFV ng army. Also some KPSAM and K30 anti-air guns and missiles to activate our missiless so call Airborne Defense Wing,hehe. More K3 swas and kia trucks please!

For the Navy, an LPD by Hanjin in Subic, a new OPV-corvette platform with missels and anti-sub capabilitiesa also by Hanjin in Subic. Then most, of not all their 80 plus Chamsuri class PT's for more patrolboats to be replaced!

For the Airforce, two squadron of KTX attack props for OV10 replacement. 1 squadron for the T50 LIFT trainer and a squadron for the A50 fighter version. Plus decommissioned AH1'S of which theyre replacing soon! :fire:

If the K3 performance is very good. I think the Army should look into the whole K-series armament product line of Daewoo. They manufacture US copy-cats from M14, .50 caliber upto AGLs.

I bet the quality is just about the same, with a HUGE difference in price plus spares will be a lot cheaper if we got them from Korea instead of the U.S.

next move should be a joint venture/partnership between Korean defense companies and a GODC as I proposed in this thread:

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=5767

sir adroth says the K3 helped save the day in ambush of 10thID troops...

Ito rin ba yun gamit ng isa dun sa mga bumihag sa IRC? If so, something is definitely wrong with our AFP. How can such pigs acquire one in good condition. If not naman, dapat ma-stop sila from acquiring more lalo na prevention of getting replacement parts to them.

Sure wish the Atchisson o SPAS12 see action in Mindanao. Doon naman nagsimula ang full-auto shotgun.

siguro sir na recover from our government troops.... :crawling:

what made you say this? do you have proof? you dont even know much about guns.

the mg carried by that asg terr is a minimi bought from previous hostage ransome funds.

Quite probable, Sir zanthoxcyclum. Yun nga lang ang condition ng SAW niya is still quite good kaya mukhang recent acquisition lang. Wala pang masyadong gasgas or such. Halos buo pa yun black coating ng baril. Some units still sport old support weapons or none at all.

The question then is this. Anong ammo ang gamit ng mga terrorists sa mga SAW nila? From what I know local paltik makers find it hard to produce good ammo. Kaya most likely derived from bad apples sa AFP o from elsewhere. If it can be traced on where they source such hindi ba mas madaling mapipigilan sila sa mga gawain nila.

OT na but nice kung makakopya rin ang mga Koreans (orbetter yet tayo) ng big brother ng Minimi and yun na ang maging 7.62mm machinegun na gamitin natin to replace old M60s.

The Daewoo K3 Light Machine Gun was the third indigenous firearm developed in South Korea, following the K1A and K2. The K3 is inspired by the FN Minimi and the United States-issued M249 Squad Automatic Weapon.

The K3 is a light machine gun resembling the FN Minimi and uses a standard 5.56 mm NATO cartridge. Its greatest advantage is that it is lighter than the M60 and can interchange cartridges with both the K1A and K2. The feed can come from either a 30-round box magazine or a 250-round metal link belt. It can be used with a bipod for the Squad Automatic role, and fitted with a tripod for sustained fire support.

The rear sight is adjustable for elevation and windage, and the foresight can be adjusted for elevation for zeroing. The barrel has a built-in carry handle for ease of changing the barrel. The action is gas piston driven, with a rotating bolt.
:banana: NATO 5.56 K3SAW

Hahaha! Man, you're going crazy copy-pasting stuff off of the internet. Is that something you just learned now and eager to show everyone on this forum how good you are at copy-paste?

Mas maganda un HK MG-4 5.56mm Machine Gun!.. 775 to 885 rounds/minute Approximate range 1,000m (MG4, MG4E) at puwede i-mount ng Optical Laser Night Sight too. :aberet: :rifle:

Even if the Philippines is a very rich country, we won't go all the way to Germany just to purchase a weapon that's far more expensive than the ones we can get nearby at South Korea. By the way, I haven't seen/read/heard a gun with 5.56mm rounds to be effective at 1,000 meters.

:dunno:

just type into the Yahoo portal "HK MG4 Machine Gun" Wikipedia has that information "Heckler & Koch" Official Web page & "Modern Firearms" page. :rifle: :ssalute:

The MG4 is a belt-fed 5.56 mm light machine gun designed and developed by the German company Heckler & Koch. The weapon was developed in the late 1990s and was first seen publicly in September 2001. It has been selected to replace the 7.62 mm MG3 general purpose machine gun in the Bundeswehr at the squad support level; it will complement the MG3 in other roles. The MG4 will also be the secondary armament of the new Puma infantry fighting vehicle. Overall, it is designed to be light, provide maximum safety to the user and function reliably under adverse conditions using a wide range of ammunition from different manufacturers, without the need to adjust the gas system. The machine gun was initially known as the MG43 prior to its adoption by the Bundeswehr

The MG4 is an air-cooled, belt-fed gas-operated weapon with a positively locked rotary bolt and is somewhat similar in concept to the Belgian Minimi light machine gun. Firing is fully automatic only. Safety mechanisms on the MG4 includes a manual safety incorporated into fire mode selector toggle; setting the fire selector lever on the "safe" position blocks the trigger mechanically and locks the bolt in the cocked position. When the bolt is not pulled back completely, accidental firing is prevented by an integral, automatic mechanism that prevents the bolt from traveling forward. In addition, the firing pin cannot reach the cartridge primer until the cartridge has been fully chambered.

The machine gun is fed from a disintegrating belt and is carried out in two stages from the top left using an enhanced pawl mechanism. Spent cases are ejected downwards, although ejection to the right is an option.

The MG4 has a hammer-forged quick-change barrel that can be safely exchanged when hot without the need for protective gloves; the carrying handle serves as the barrel change grip. To reduce the overall length of the weapon for transport, the butt stock can be folded to the left side of the receiver. With the buttstock folded the MG4 remains fully operable. A field cleaning kit is housed within the stock.

A folding bipod is provided. Supporting interfaces are integrated into the receiver to allow the MG4 to be mounted on the standard American M112A1 tripod for increased accuracy and stability.

In its standard form the MG4 is equipped with closed type iron sights with range settings up to 1,000 m in increments of 100 m. Optical or night sights or laser pointers can be mounted on a length of MIL-STD-193 Picatinny rail located on the receiver feed tray cover.

Specifications
Weight 8.15 kg (17.97 lb) (MG4)
7.90 kg (17.4 lb) (MG4E)
7.70 kg (17.0 lb) (MG4KE)
Length 1,030 mm (40.6 in) stock extended / 830 mm (32.7 in) stock folded (MG4, MG4E)
950 mm (37.4 in) stock extended / 750 mm (29.5 in) stock folded (MG4KE)
Barrel length 482 mm (19.0 in) (MG4, MG4E)
402 mm (15.8 in) (MG4KE)
Width 96 mm (3.8 in)
Height 228 mm (9.0 in)

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Cartridge 5.56x45mm NATO
Action Gas-operated, rotating bolt
Rate of fire 775–885 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity 980 m/s (3,215 ft/s) (MG4, MG4E)
880 m/s (2,887.1 ft/s) (MG4KE)
Maximum range Approx. 1,000 m (MG4, MG4E)
Approx. 900 m (MG4KE)
Feed system Disintegrating link belt
Sights Iron sights; MIL-STD-1913 rail provided for optics

Now the AFP should buy these Machine Guns!.. :armycool: :snipemo:

HK MG4 is far more expensive than Daewoo K3. That's the point.

you're a fool if you believe everything that's in wikipedia :banana:

That is true Dodgeball.. But If you are a Filipino Soldier of the Philippine Army, I think you would certainly appreciate that Soldier wanting to use or obtain a high quality combat weapon that is truly reliable like HK MG4 Machine Gun with Optical Sight! So no matter how expensive it could be It is better for our Soldiers to have such a high quality weapon he can use to defeat HIS Enemys of the State!.. HK M4 It is!.. :thumb: :rifle: :scared:

I Think the HK416 Rifle is also an excellent weapon too...



Specifications
Caliber 5.56x45mm NATO (.223 Remington)
Principle of operation Gas operated, firing from a closed bolt.
Bolt Principle Refined rotating bolt head with multiple locking lugs
Dimensions D10RS D145RS
Weight 7.3 lb 7.7 lb
Overall length 27.0"/30.9" 31.0"/34.9"
Barrel Length 10.5" 14.5"
Height 7.25" 7.25"
Width 2.25" 2.25"
Other Specifications
Trigger Pull 4.5 - 6.0 lb.
Barrel Twist 1 in 7", right hand
Modes of fire Semi-automatic, full automatic
Feed Device HK high-reliability 20 or 30-round steel box magazine


THE HK416 SYSTEM

Inspired by the resounding success of the mid-life improvement program of the British SA80 (L85/L86) Weapons System, Heckler & Koch began a development program to create the HK416 Enhanced Carbine. Working with current users from around the globe, HK set out to produce an Enhanced Carbine that would outperform competing 5.56mm carbines and provide the high degree of performance required by the user community, particularly those within the special operations arena who demand more and expect no compromise when lives are at stake.

High-speed video assessment and extensive live-fire testing in extreme operational environments such as the U.S. Army Desert Proving Ground in Yuma, Arizona revealed multiple areas for improvement of the 5.56 mm carbine. Improvements were made to the internal operating system and miscellaneous component parts to improve reliability in best and worse case scenarios, with all types of ammunition, with all barrel lengths and with and without sound suppressors attached.

An innovative free-floating 4-quadrant rail system designed by HK allows all current standard accessories and sights to be fitted to the HK416 and can be removed without tools. The HK-proprietary gas system does not introduce propellant gases and the associated carbon fouling back into the weapon’s interior. This reduces operator cleaning time, increases the reliability of the weapon and extends the interval between stoppages.

To improve reliability, service life, and operator safety during obstructed bore occurrences or after extreme extended firing sessions, HK has produced its famous cold hammer forged barrel for the HK416 in various lengths to include 10, 14.5, 16.5, and 20 inches.

The highest quality steel is used in this unique manufacturing process producing a barrel that provides superior accuracy for greater than 20,000 rounds with minimal degradation of accuracy and muzzle velocity.

In addition to the improvements in the baseline weapon, HK has produced a high reliability magazine and a proprietary buffer to improve functional reliability.

An add-on single shot 40 x 46mm AG416 enhanced grenade launcher module can be quickly attached to the rail system of all models without tools.

Heckler & Koch has applied its proven and fielded Safety Blank Firing Attachment and Live Round Excluder Magazine technology to the HK416 Carbine, eliminating the possibility of live rounds being loaded into and fired through a standard issue weapon outfitted for blank firing only.

Cool!. :armycool:

Ya true pero we must make due i like to see more K3 and that Singaporean SAW we bought(FORGOT KO NAME) too its more a light battle with our enemies here its always a running battle too so light is smart in that battlefield condition and also our own SAW that the SAF guys are using from the good people from Ferfans tama ba we need more that too.